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“he still at times will not be right in there”

It would be crazy give this factor of understanding the playbook such considerable weighting because when plays break down, which occurs frequently, HJ can scramble better and likely hit receivers better when chased out of the pocket. That was a major factor for qbs like Persa. Simplify the playbook and get him out there slinging it.
 
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I agree with you, but at the same time I have to say I’m surprised by the frank criticism of Hunter that McCall is willing to state publicly.
The only way TJ would start ( other the injury) is if he is WAY ahead of Hunter. You don’t sit the guy with a better arm, better legs, and most importantly 3 years left if the competition is close. We already know how this is going to turn out.
 
The only way TJ would start ( other the injury) is if he is WAY ahead of Hunter. You don’t sit the guy with a better arm, better legs, and most importantly 3 years left if the competition is close. We already know how this is going to turn out.
Correct! (Hope to see you at our tailgate for UNLV.)
 
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It all just strikes me as fake news; the kind of stuff you make up and throw out there to get the opposition thinking about something else that has little bearing in reality.
While I agree with this on one hand, on the other hand this would suggest that Fitz is basically using TJ Green as a media prop and that just doesn't strike me as something Fitz would do to the kid.
 

Can you find me any sportsbook odds for Northwestern's QB "competition"? Heck even the Illinois competition, where the outcome was fairly certain, had odds posted before the former Michigan 4th-stringer won it...
 
Can you find me any sportsbook odds for Northwestern's QB "competition"? Heck even the Illinois competition, where the outcome was fairly certain, had odds posted before the former Michigan 4th-stringer won it...

Well, I know of one guy who took the wager straight up.
 
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I agree with you, but at the same time I have to say I’m surprised by the frank criticism of Hunter that McCall is willing to state publicly.

Go back to 2015. Look at all the "frank criticism" of CT that was shared. He started anyway...
 
Go back to 2015. Look at all the "frank criticism" of CT that was shared. He started anyway...

I don't remember that. Maybe I'm bad at Google searching, but among the articles that actually had Fitz and McCall quotes about the QB battle, all of it seemed pretty generic and not singling out one guy or another.

"They all have some good things they've done, some spurts they go through and then something [bad] will happen. It's more about how they respond to certain things." - McCall

“All three guys have had a good summer from a leadership standpoint. I think they’re all in really good shape, and now we’re going to roll the ball out and let it play.” - Fitz

https://www.espn.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/116633/northwestern-looks-for-answers-at-quarterback

https://dawindycity.com/2015/08/03/pat-fitzgerald-no-decision-yet-on-wildcats-starting-quarterback/

Again, I side with you that this is all misdirection, but I am just pointing out that this sort of targeted public critique seems unusual.
 
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I don't remember that. Maybe I'm bad at Google searching, but among the articles that actually had Fitz and McCall quotes about the QB battle, all of it seemed pretty generic and not singling out one guy or another.

"They all have some good things they've done, some spurts they go through and then something [bad] will happen. It's more about how they respond to certain things." - McCall

“All three guys have had a good summer from a leadership standpoint. I think they’re all in really good shape, and now we’re going to roll the ball out and let it play.” - Fitz

https://www.espn.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/116633/northwestern-looks-for-answers-at-quarterback

https://dawindycity.com/2015/08/03/pat-fitzgerald-no-decision-yet-on-wildcats-starting-quarterback/

Again, I side with you that this is all misdirection, but I am just pointing out that this sort of targeted public critique seems unusual.
They've gotten better at the fake criticism since then. I specidically recsll Fitz saying that hey might play all three QBs situationally in the first game, which was, of course, utter nonsense...
 
Check out the rock for a scoop on what's real or not with the quarterback competition
 
TJ will start at Stanford. Safest approach. Then as needed H

Not surprised. Utterly disappointed, but not surprised. Par for the course, considering the Brewer and Colter experiments. Now, comes the Green experiment. Ugh.
 
The only way TJ would start ( other the injury) is if he is WAY ahead of Hunter. You don’t sit the guy with a better arm, better legs, and most importantly 3 years left if the competition is close. We already know how this is going to turn out.

What you say makes sense.

Except there were the Brewer and Colter experiments.
 
I do not understand the idea, presented frequently on this board, that Fitz is only interested in confusing our opponent. Stanford is preparing to play against the Northwestern offense. It is what it is. McCall is not going to change his offense very much depending on who starts. Both Green and HJ are studying the same playbook and practicing the same plays! Sure, if HJ starts, we are more likely to throw downfield on occasion. Everyone can reasonably predict that. But, Stanford has our long pass patterns and protection schemes on film already. There is very little opportunity for deception here. Furthermore, nobody has seen Hunter in our offense - so how could any opponent really prepare for him? Looking at 2-year old film of him in for a few plays at another school will not be of any real help. Our pass patterns are evident in last year's film and will likely be the same patterns regardless of who is throwing the ball - only the emphasis on long or short patterns is likely to change, and that just a bit. In terms of an opponent's problems with preparation, Anderson's influence on the OL may constitute a bigger change from last year than any QB is likely to be. I think many of us are just over-thinking this thing, something Coach Shaw is not likely to do.
 
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It does appear that there are legitimate concerns with HJ's readiness, which is why there might appear to be a real QB competition here.

But, I think you always err on the side of starting the guy with much higher upside and raw ability (i.e. arm strength, scramble ability, etc.) in this kind of situation even if he isn't as comfortable in the pocket as the other option.

I think @Purple Pile Driver nails it in that regard. You have to give HJ the starter job and see whether he can figure it out. Why? Because that gives you the best chance of winning games; it gives our offense the highest possible upside in terms of moving the ball down the field.

If HJ can't figure it out, then put Green in and try to make the best of it, or maybe give Hunter a break if/when he struggles and let Green take a series here or there.

I agree with you, but at the same time I have to say I’m surprised by the frank criticism of Hunter that McCall is willing to state publicly.
Yeah, I think this is the first time that I've felt that HJ actually may not be anywhere near as ready as we'd hoped. It shouldn't change anything about whether HJ should start because of his raw playmaking ability, but Green may actually need to play if/when HJ struggles.
 
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Not surprised. Utterly disappointed, but not surprised. Par for the course, considering the Brewer and Colter experiments. Now, comes the Green experiment. Ugh.
I don't see the parallel. To me it seems more like Kyle Prater (presuming he's not ready). Colter played because he was better than Evan Watkins, Brewer played, IIRC, because CJ was hurt and there was no discernible difference, at that particular moment, between frosh Brewer and frosh Kafka. If you mean 2011 for Colter, other than the Army debacle, it had little effect. He had a little 2010 experience over Siemian, and I think that, unless they were truly concealing a Persa injury, Colter was just a seat warmer / change of pace for Persa until he was ready.
 
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I am not Big Ten OC, but doesn't it make sense to mold the offensive playbook and plan around such a great talent as HJ?? If he's not comfortable in McCall's offense...who's at fault??
 
I am not Big Ten OC, but doesn't it make sense to mold the offensive playbook and plan around such a great talent as HJ?? If he's not comfortable in McCall's offense...who's at fault??

What makes sense if to play the QB that gives you the best chance to win. Whether that’s TJ running a full playbook or Hunter running a condensed playbook is up to the coaches to decide. I trust their judgement based on their track record.
 
If Hunter Johnson isn’t better than TJ Green this season is shot.

Completely premature to say that. You just don’t know how much of this is because TJ has improved dramatically. I am sure HJ is the QB with the best physical tools but that’s not who plays. The QB who gives the team the best chance to win will play. My guess is that this competition will continue into the season before a clear winner emerges.
 
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Completely premature to say that. You just don’t know how much of this is because TJ has improved dramatically. I am sure HJ is the QB with the best physical tools but that’s not who plays. The QB who gives the team the best chance to win will play. My guess is that this competition will continue into the season before a clear winner emerges.

Sorry not buying it. I’ve seen TJ play, and it doesn’t make inspire confidence.

The old saying is that if you have two QBs you don’t have one
 
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This team is all about Bowser and the D. The QB position just needs to manage the offense and not lose the game for us.

Respectfully, where that could have worked in 1995 (just to pick a random year ), I don’t think that works in 2019.
 
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Sorry not buying it. I’ve seen TJ play, and it doesn’t make inspire confidence.

The old saying is that if you have two QBs you don’t have one

Don’t forget this post. I’ll remind you of it at the end of the season.
 
Respectfully, where that could have worked in 1995 (just to pick a random year ), I don’t think that works in 2019.

That formula always has worked and will always work at any level of football if your defense and running game are truly outstanding.
 
That formula always has worked and will always work at any level of football if your defense and running game are truly outstanding.
Right, agreed. However, our running game was good once we found Bowser last year, but not outstanding by any means. Our defense was great at times and good to very good at others, again not outstanding.

We will need a passing game to compete for and win the division this year, IMO.
 
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Right, agreed. However, our running game was good once we found Bowser last year, but not outstanding by any means. Our defense was great at times and good to very good at others, again not outstanding.

We will need a passing game to compete for and win the division this year, IMO.

The defense will be better than last year’s outstanding unit and Bowser is poised to breakout. I am confident of it.
 
Sorry not buying it. I’ve seen TJ play, and it doesn’t make inspire confidence.

The old saying is that if you have two QBs you don’t have one
At this point, only way this is still a competition is if TJ has improved significantly to make Hunter's physical abilities not enough to seal the deal.

If we're accepting what we're being told at face value, then both things are probably true: 1) Hunter is not quite as ready as we'd hoped, and 2) Green has improved significantly.

It's worth at least waiting and seeing what we have.
 
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