2018 recruits vs 2019?

[charcat]

Is there a chance that NU might get a 2019 commit that that would change our plans for taking 2 more in 2018? At what point might we say only one more in 2018 for class balance?

If we had a commitment from THT and great interest from 2019 top tier kids would we change direction?

 

[vmloza34]

It seems as though CCC is focusing on wings for 2018 class and big men for 2019.

 

[NJCat]

Is there a chance that NU might get a 2019 commit that that would change our plans for taking 2 more in 2018? At what point might we say only one more in 2018 for class balance?

If we had a commitment from THT and great interest from 2019 top tier kids would we change direction?

No. Cats will have another 3 scholarships available in 2019: Law, Ash, and Pardon. Unlikely NU will need to use a 2018 scholarship for 2019.

 

[hdhntr1]

No. Cats will have another 3 scholarships available in 2019: Law, Ash, and Pardon. Unlikely NU will need to use a 2018 scholarship for 2019.

Unless an injury to say Pardon causing a RS situation

 

[scru]

It raises a good point... how many "bigs" should the team carry? Having only 2 on roster in 2018/19 is a bit risky, right? Perhaps CCC thinks Rap can play the 5 if needed, like Skelly? He does have long arms and appears to have bulked up based on recent photos. I understand that to successfully recruit an impact big, there needs to be real potential for playing time.

 

[NJCat]

It raises a good point... how many "bigs" should the team carry? Having only 2 on roster in 2018/19 is a bit risky, right? Perhaps CCC thinks Rap can play the 5 if needed, like Skelly? He does have long arms and appears to have bulked up based on recent photos. I understand that to successfully recruit an impact big, there needs to be real potential for playing time.

If by "big" you mean guys like Dererk of Benson, I'd say 3. With 13 scholarships you'd like 5 guys who can dribble the ball, 5 forwards and 3 bigs. Right now NU has BMac, Isiah, Ash, Scottie and Gaines as dribblers, Law, Rap, Falzon, Turner and Skelly as forwards, and the 2 bigs. Need 1 more big.

 

[GOUNUII]

If by "big" you mean guys like Dererk of Benson, I'd say 3. With 13 scholarships you'd like 5 guys who can dribble the ball, 5 forwards and 3 bigs. Right now NU has BMac, Isiah, Ash, Scottie and Gaines as dribblers, Law, Rap, Falzon, Turner and Skelly as forwards, and the 2 bigs. Need 1 more big.

I think it's more precisely a 3-7-3 arrangement. Boils down to a pair and a spare in each of the 3 categories ( Big - Wing - Ball Handler ). 2 of the 3 bigs are true centers with a 3rd playing the physical forward role. 7 wings, including guys like Gaines and Lindsey. And then 3 handlers, who ideally cans core when needed or the opportunity presents itself. Looking to 2018, Brown, Lathon and Ash would fit that description. I also think we'll see the 2019 class fit this allocation of scholarships. Look for a true center, a physical forward and the best available 2-3 Lindsey type wing to fill the 3 scholarship CCC appears to have for that class ... barring another transfer into the program between now and then.

GOUNUII

 

[PURPLECAT88]

Is there a chance that NU might get a 2019 commit that that would change our plans for taking 2 more in 2018? At what point might we say only one more in 2018 for class balance?

If we take 4 for 2018, we still have 3 spots (Law, Pardon, Ash) for 2019. Changing that to 3 for 2018 and 4 for 2019 doesn't seem to make a whole lot of difference in class balance. It might make a difference, though, based on who is available, and whom we might get. Even the most perfectly balanced recruiting cycle would still have 4 players in at least 1 out of every 4 classes. It probably makes sense to use it now coming off our first tournament bid.

 

[hdhntr1]

It raises a good point... how many "bigs" should the team carry? Having only 2 on roster in 2018/19 is a bit risky, right? Perhaps CCC thinks Rap can play the 5 if needed, like Skelly? He does have long arms and appears to have bulked up based on recent photos. I understand that to successfully recruit an impact big, there needs to be real potential for playing time.

Aren't there 3? Skelly sort of fills that role as legit PF sometimes Center type. But after this year... Oops, I guess your were referring to next year.

 

[scru]

I think it's more precisely a 3-7-3 arrangement. Boils down to a pair and a spare in each of the 3 categories ( Big - Wing - Ball Handler ). 2 of the 3 bigs are true centers with a 3rd playing the physical forward role. 7 wings, including guys like Gaines and Lindsey. And then 3 handlers, who ideally cans core when needed or the opportunity presents itself. Looking to 2018, Brown, Lathon and Ash would fit that description. I also think we'll see the 2019 class fit this allocation of scholarships. Look for a true center, a physical forward and the best available 2-3 Lindsey type wing to fill the 3 scholarship CCC appears to have for that class ... barring another transfer into the program between now and then.

GOUNUII

I think you are on the money with respect to the ideal 3-7-3 setup. But, to get this, I think for the class of 2019 the recruiting priorities will be:

- a PG (ball handler) to replace Ash with the others being Brown and Lathon
- 2 bigs, one to replace Pardon, and the other to fill out the roster. This would give the Cats some insurance on the recruiting uncertainty.

 

[GOUNUII]

I think you are on the money with respect to the ideal 3-7-3 setup. But, to get this, I think for the class of 2019 the recruiting priorities will be:

- a PG (ball handler) to replace Ash with the others being Brown and Lathon
- 2 bigs, one to replace Pardon, and the other to fill out the roster. This would give the Cats some insurance on the recruiting uncertainty.

Ageee on the two bigs. Could be a coin toss between another ball handler and a 2-3 type wing. May come down to best available between the two positions and whether Bey and/or THT are Wildcats. Sticking with my prediction that THT will be. Adding Bey would make a 2019 ball handler much more likely.

GOUNUII

 

[Cat Fan in Buckeye Land]

I think if you get 3 coming and 3 graduating every year, with that extra one in a year that you have 4, I like the class balance of that.

 

[Deeringfish]

If we take 4 for 2018, we still have 3 spots (Law, Pardon, Ash) for 2019. Changing that to 3 for 2018 and 4 for 2019 doesn't seem to make a whole lot of difference in class balance. It might make a difference, though, based on who is available, and whom we might get. Even the most perfectly balanced recruiting cycle would still have 4 players in at least 1 out of every 4 classes. It probably makes sense to use it now coming off our first tournament bid.

A Bird in the hand is better if you can catch one.
Do they ever take into account how other teams cycles shape up? Like, are there every years when more B1G schools are recruiting 4 players there by increasing the competition? or does it aways sort of even out.

 

[FeliSilvestris]

I think it's more precisely a 3-7-3 arrangement.

Assuming that "wings" are those who play the traditional SG, sF positions, why would one devote 53% of the roster (7/13) to "cover" 40% of the floor (2/5), while allocating only 23% of the roster (3/13) to "cover" the very important PF/C positions (also 40% of the floor), with the remaining 23% allocated to one position (20% of the floor)?

Even though SG and sF do share some characteristics, SG and PG do also (and those who are proficient at both guard spots are often called combo guards), just like sF and PF have some commonalities and certain players can do well at both. At the end of the day, the skill set that makes a player a great SG is similar but different to that that'd make him a great sF.

The most reasonable arrangement is to aim to having two players with skills appropriate for each traditional position, leaving 3 players to be allocated preferably to a 'big', a 'wing' and a guard, depending on available talent. Of course some of these players may have skills to do well at more than one traditional position...if so, great.

To this day, the vast majority of official team rosters at the college and pro level, as well as major sports sites, continue to use the G,F,C categorization...they do it for a reason: STILL that categorization comes closer to represent what actually goes on on the court.

 

[Mr Wickerpark]

Maybe a transfer? And is it to late to still get a grad transfer this summer?