Lot of big ten losses. Does 10-8 get is in for sure? We won the ACC challenge so that should help. Any conference better than the big 10?
Big ten this year
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The Big 12 is much, much better than the B1G. Based on results so far, the ACC and Big East are also rated higher than the B1G.
No, 10-8 doesn't get in for sure.
I mean if we get the 10 against teams whose RPI is below us (so nice that's actually possible!!), who knows ...
Depends on who the 10 is and how it compares to the other at large teams in contention obviously.
A B1G with 10 wins in conference plus 12 non-conf wins (if we can run the rest of the non-conf table) will be a LOCK. Regardless of what happens in the BTT. Bank on it.
Have to agree w ECat on this. Running the rest of the non-con schedule is critical.
In 2009, Penn State went 11-2 in non-conference and 10-8 in the B1G with a sweep of NCAA tourney team Illinois, a win over a Purdue team that made the Sweet 16 and a win on the road against an MSU team that was the national runner up. They did not make the tournament. We are NOT a lock with our schedule and 10-8, especially considering how poor the B1G has been thus far.
Don't be too sure of that.
The '12-13 Iowa squad had 10 B1G wins (including a B1G Tourney win over NU), finished 21-12 (10-10) but was relegated to the NIT (lost a tough game to MSU by 3 pts in the B1G Tourney) despite the B1G being pretty tough that year.
They had 5 wins over Tourney teams (ISU, UW, Minny, PU and UI) but all were at home and had a bad loss OOC to VT.
Even if the 'Cats don't end up w/ a bad loss OOC, the ISU win is better than anything that the 'Cats will have.
And with the B1G being down, there will be fewer chances to beat ranked, much less top 25 and top 50 RPI teams.
This discussion doesn't mean anything until we can get a quality win for a prospective tournament resume. We'll have a fantastic chance at one when Maryland comes to the town the first week of January. We will rightly be underdogs, but I think they are the most beatable for us of the three strongest teams this year (including MSU and Purdue).
The Big Ten will be much better as a whole in two and a half months than right now. The Big Ten still has the second highest talent level after the ACC and arguably the best group of coaches in the country.
Sure, the pre conference has been spotty but there are a lot of teams integrating a lot of new players. And a lot of injuries. NU has one of the most stable rosters last year to this year (but still young and developing).
The conference will be an absolute dog fight. Illinois will not suck when it gets its players back and the young 'uns play a little more. Wisconsin will get better and better. Indiana can outscore anyone on a give night. Both Nebraska and Penn State can beat you. This will all become evident as these "questionable" teams go up against MSU, Purdue and Maryland and take them to the wire and beat them on occasion.
Throw the pre conference results out. For the entire conference.
Seven teams make the tournament, maybe eight. You've got to put six or seven teams behind you and to do that you've got to beat some teams from the top of the conference.
Is NU capable? Sure (on a close call). But we haven't seen this team sustain intensity for a period long enough to get it done. Some of the top guard play in the conference can make the difference.
Sure, the pre conference has been spotty but there are a lot of teams integrating a lot of new players. And a lot of injuries. NU has one of the most stable rosters last year to this year (but still young and developing).
The conference will be an absolute dog fight. Illinois will not suck when it gets its players back and the young 'uns play a little more. Wisconsin will get better and better. Indiana can outscore anyone on a give night. Both Nebraska and Penn State can beat you. This will all become evident as these "questionable" teams go up against MSU, Purdue and Maryland and take them to the wire and beat them on occasion.
Throw the pre conference results out. For the entire conference.
Seven teams make the tournament, maybe eight. You've got to put six or seven teams behind you and to do that you've got to beat some teams from the top of the conference.
Is NU capable? Sure (on a close call). But we haven't seen this team sustain intensity for a period long enough to get it done. Some of the top guard play in the conference can make the difference.
Yeah but for you guys citing the 2009 PSU season- the tournament was 65 then, not 68. The bubble is softer nowadays. That Penn St team had a comparable resume to what ours theoretically would look like, and prob would have gotten in. Also, the B1G wasn't great that year either.
With our weak OOC schedule before the season I was thinking that 9-9 in conference was the target to get in. Now that the B1G has been weaker than expected, I think it is at 10-8. I think that would very likely get us in. Not 100% certain, and having a couple quality wins would be nice, but our goal should be to get to 10 conference wins (and finish out the non con at 12-1). If we add one more in the BTT (prob as like the 6 seed beating the 11/14) then I think it's almost a lock.
Has a .500 team or worse ever gotten in without winning the conference tourney?
Yes. Happens frequently.
2015 Indiana 9-9
2014 Iowa 9-9
2013 Illinois and Minny 8-10
2011 Michigan, MSU, Illinois and PSU 9-9
2010 Minny 9-9
2009 Michigan, Minny 9-9
2007 MSU 8-8
2006 MSU 8-8
2005 Iowa 7-9
2003 IU 8-8
2001 PSU 7-9
2000 Wisc 8-8
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