Chris Emma Reporting That NU Continues To Recruit Kipper Nichols
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I don't like the idea of projecting a kid will transfer.
I also wonder if it's possible nobody is transferring and Kip (or someone else) is using a year as a walk-on.
It is also possible that Emma is simply wrong. I think we need to wait on this one before projecting...
I also wonder if it's possible nobody is transferring and Kip (or someone else) is using a year as a walk-on.
It is also possible that Emma is simply wrong. I think we need to wait on this one before projecting...
I wouldn't think so...scholarship athletes generally won't take that type of hit for the team and it seem like it would be fairly hard to convince someone who is heavily recruited to do that unless they really, really, really love NU. Don't think Kip is that into it.
This would make sense. Either CCC has to RS the incoming frosh or some players do not leave the bench, absent a swarm of injuries. I would expect Lumpkin sees the writing on the wall and maybe Taphorn too (Falzon seemingly is a more athletically gifted version). I really hope Tap stays as I think he is an important transitional component and great insurance policy.
The fact of the matter is that we are looking real crowded at the 3 moving forward, and now have the bodies so that more natural 3's don't need to and won't play the 4 moving forward.
Of course, that doesn't explain why we would continue to go after Nichols who is a 3 himself.
This post was edited on 2/24 9:38 AM by EvanstonCat
Of course, that doesn't explain why we would continue to go after Nichols who is a 3 himself.
This post was edited on 2/24 9:38 AM by EvanstonCat
I'm with you. I think it is low class to speculate on who potentially might transfer. Kill this thread.
Of all the low class things done and said on this board...
this ranks very much towards the bottom. It even relates to the team, unlike the continued bashing of past players and coaches. No one WANTS anyone to transfer, but if the news that we are still active in recruiting is correct, then someone IS transferring.
I'm sure Turk will make a wildly celebrated thread about how that person really left us in a lurch and wasn't a B1G player anyway...
this ranks very much towards the bottom. It even relates to the team, unlike the continued bashing of past players and coaches. No one WANTS anyone to transfer, but if the news that we are still active in recruiting is correct, then someone IS transferring.
I'm sure Turk will make a wildly celebrated thread about how that person really left us in a lurch and wasn't a B1G player anyway...
I don't think Tap goes anywhere. I believe Collins sees him as a guy that could be huge for us as a upperclassman. He's already made quite an impact, going 3-0 since returning from injury. His shot is topnotch and he is really developing the other parts of his game. I think we need Tap, and I think Collins knows that.
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You have a problem with bashing past players, but bashing current players is totally fine? Interesting...
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Hmmm criticizing on court play and statistical factors vs. speculating on a person's character...wonder which one is bashing.
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Hmmm criticizing on court play and statistical factors vs. speculating on a person's character...wonder which one is bashing.
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The character "speculation" (made by Willycat with one comment) was something that was actually reported. Nothing else was said about Turner or Ajou other than they most likey weren't B1G quality players, which you took issue with. However, you have no problem with it now, apparently...whatever.
It's still low rent to call out a kid with no true knowledge and say he might transfer.
The character "speculation" (made by Willycat with one comment) was something that was actually reported. Nothing else was said about Turner or Ajou other than they most likey weren't B1G quality players, which you took issue with. However, you have no problem with it now, apparently...whatever.
It's still low rent to call out a kid with no true knowledge and say he might transfer.
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Never said anyone on this roster isn't a B1G player. If they transfer, it doesn't automatically follow that they can't play on this level. Plenty has been said about Turner that wasn't reported by plenty of people besides willy that you're choosing to ignore.
Never said anyone on this roster isn't a B1G player. If they transfer, it doesn't automatically follow that they can't play on this level. Plenty has been said about Turner that wasn't reported by plenty of people besides willy that you're choosing to ignore.
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Fitz has acknowledged that players and their families read this board, so figure that holds true for basketball. Doesn't seem like good form to suggest that a player should read the writing on the wall and leave NU. But Chris Emma's tweet opened that discussion anyway. (Not criticizing Chris for it, just saying that the rumor was already out there.)
Lumpkin and Tap are good rotation players who have made the difference in big wins for us. They are not guys I would chase away from the program.
Fitz has acknowledged that players and their families read this board, so figure that holds true for basketball. Doesn't seem like good form to suggest that a player should read the writing on the wall and leave NU. But Chris Emma's tweet opened that discussion anyway. (Not criticizing Chris for it, just saying that the rumor was already out there.)
Lumpkin and Tap are good rotation players who have made the difference in big wins for us. They are not guys I would chase away from the program.
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We absolutely should not be chasing either of them from the program, especially for Kipper Nicholls. They both appear to be good teammates with good attitudes. And they have both made real contributions on the court. Maybe one of the freshmen is not not happy or maybe the writers are misinformed.
We absolutely should not be chasing either of them from the program, especially for Kipper Nicholls. They both appear to be good teammates with good attitudes. And they have both made real contributions on the court. Maybe one of the freshmen is not not happy or maybe the writers are misinformed.
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I don't think Tap is going anywhere. He'll be a major contributor and graduate from NU in two more years I hope.
Perhaps someone graduates and moves closer to home. Or is considering it.
Perhaps someone changes sports. Or is considering it.
Hopefully noone has to go under the knife and miss a year.
I don't think Tap is going anywhere. He'll be a major contributor and graduate from NU in two more years I hope.
Perhaps someone graduates and moves closer to home. Or is considering it.
Perhaps someone changes sports. Or is considering it.
Hopefully noone has to go under the knife and miss a year.
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I don't know how scholarships, redshirts, greyshirts, walk-ons, etc. all work under the rules of the NCAA, but is there any way Demps could remain on the team and eligible if he gave up his scholarship in his 5th year? Is there a maximum number of people allowed on the roster? I am not sure how much $$ we are talking about for Demps to pay his own way, and what course load he would have to take, but Demps does come from a family that could probably afford to pay for grad school -- I assume an NBA GM position pays ok.
I don't know how scholarships, redshirts, greyshirts, walk-ons, etc. all work under the rules of the NCAA, but is there any way Demps could remain on the team and eligible if he gave up his scholarship in his 5th year? Is there a maximum number of people allowed on the roster? I am not sure how much $$ we are talking about for Demps to pay his own way, and what course load he would have to take, but Demps does come from a family that could probably afford to pay for grad school -- I assume an NBA GM position pays ok.
You are not wrong. If we land another recruit and end up "oversold" someone will be leaving. I won't say who as I agree that mentioning specific kids in this context on this forum isn't nice. It is a matter of simple math. If/when this happens we can discuss this use of scholarships and the concept of kids getting "Creaned."
This post was edited on 2/24 11:45 AM by DocCatsFan
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I'd assume the trick is getting an agreement to that extent from the player/family. Why wouldn't he prefer to transfer and play immediately, probably for a tournament contender, while under scholarship?
This post was edited on 2/24 11:46 AM by thewildcat2011
Sure. As far as I know, scholarships and eligibility are separate entities. He would still have eligibility, whether he gets a scholarship is the team's decision. Obviously, players can play without scholarships (every walk on). I don't think there's a max roster number, though even if there is, it has been reported that Segura isn't with the team right now, so that's an open roster spot (but not scholarship spot).
I'd assume the trick is getting an agreement to that extent from the player/family. Why wouldn't he prefer to transfer and play immediately, probably for a tournament contender, while under scholarship?
This post was edited on 2/24 11:46 AM by thewildcat2011
Will you and the others KNOCK IT OFF and leave Lumpkin alone!
I seriously doubt Lumpkin is transferring. The kid is as tough as nails.
I seriously doubt Lumpkin is transferring. The kid is as tough as nails.
Re: Is it possible for Demps to play his 5th year without a scholarship?
Some of us think he might be playing for a tournament contender if he stays at NU.
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. . . . . and we'd be right.
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Before you guys get your panties further in a bundle: I would love for us to be a bubble team or better next year, but it is very far from certain.
This post was edited on 2/24 1:03 PM by thewildcat2011
Some do, some don't. If this situation even arises, then it's up to Tre to make that determination for himself. I could easily see him getting decent bench minutes for a team that's always in the tournament.
Before you guys get your panties further in a bundle: I would love for us to be a bubble team or better next year, but it is very far from certain.
This post was edited on 2/24 1:03 PM by thewildcat2011
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And herein lies the issue. NOBODY should be chased away from the program to "upgrade". When kids are offered a scholarship, the university is making a 4 or 5 year commitment to them. As long as they do what they are supposed to do, work hard, do what is required of them, and stay academically in good standing they stay. Otherwise we are no different from scumbags like Tom Crean who "chase kids away from the program" in order to replace them with a guy who might be better. The better guys come as others graduate. That's the way we need to operate. I don't know how others feel, but I would not be able to support a program that chases kids away who do nothing wrong.
Re: Is it possible for Demps to play his 5th year without a scholarship?
Grad school is $14,500 per quarter so $45,000 for a year. Typical Grad school runs through the summer and for two years so $120,000 if he wants the degree.
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Agreed. Only if they are bad teammates or bad locker room guys.
Agreed. Only if they are bad teammates or bad locker room guys.
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I don't see Collin' "chasing" kids away. Anything is possible...but I don't see it.
I don't see Collin' "chasing" kids away. Anything is possible...but I don't see it.
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In many cases, the kids are not chased away but see that their opportunity to play will be extremely limited. If they still feel that they can and want to contribute, their choices would often include transferring. If the coaching staff gets wind of that, they might continue to recruit based on that possibility. Someone who redshirted, for example, might find that their best interest is to get a 5th year elsewhere. (You know, the kind of kid we have brought in) That way, they don't have to sit for a year.
In many cases, the kids are not chased away but see that their opportunity to play will be extremely limited. If they still feel that they can and want to contribute, their choices would often include transferring. If the coaching staff gets wind of that, they might continue to recruit based on that possibility. Someone who redshirted, for example, might find that their best interest is to get a 5th year elsewhere. (You know, the kind of kid we have brought in) That way, they don't have to sit for a year.
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Simply playing Devil's Advocate, what observations are you referring to? Turner - gone. Abrahamson - Gone Ajou - Gone Libermann - Gone Sina - never arrived
There is a rational explanation but can you definitively say that Turner would not have prefer to have his scholarship - that his departure is 100% his choice. Kale and Ajou both landed at other D-1 schools - 100% by their own doing?
I'm not saying CCC pushed anyone out, but all these departures worked out quite well from the program - all the drags quietly disappeared. Awfully convenient.
Time will tell - until someone can explain to me how Lumpkin will be used - then if he rides the bench for two years, we have evidence that CCC does not push. If Lumpkin were to transfer...
Simply playing Devil's Advocate, what observations are you referring to? Turner - gone. Abrahamson - Gone Ajou - Gone Libermann - Gone Sina - never arrived
There is a rational explanation but can you definitively say that Turner would not have prefer to have his scholarship - that his departure is 100% his choice. Kale and Ajou both landed at other D-1 schools - 100% by their own doing?
I'm not saying CCC pushed anyone out, but all these departures worked out quite well from the program - all the drags quietly disappeared. Awfully convenient.
Time will tell - until someone can explain to me how Lumpkin will be used - then if he rides the bench for two years, we have evidence that CCC does not push. If Lumpkin were to transfer...
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Why do you assume it will be Lumpkin? Agree with everything else you write.
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Minor point: Collins flew out to Jersey as soon as he was hired to try to retain Sina. I doubt he went to tell him he wasn't part of the plan...........................
Minor point: Collins flew out to Jersey as soon as he was hired to try to retain Sina. I doubt he went to tell him he wasn't part of the plan...........................
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Because throughout my 486 posts about lineups and minutes next year, nobody has offered anything that includes minutes for Lumpkin absent an injury. Taphorn possibly gets rotation at the 4 while Falzon develops. Vasser could be the backup PG, or it could be Demps. But nobody has a proposal for using Lumpkin.
If you go from part time start and year round rotation guy two years in a row to bench warmer, you are using a schollie that the coach has better use for.
Because throughout my 486 posts about lineups and minutes next year, nobody has offered anything that includes minutes for Lumpkin absent an injury. Taphorn possibly gets rotation at the 4 while Falzon develops. Vasser could be the backup PG, or it could be Demps. But nobody has a proposal for using Lumpkin.
If you go from part time start and year round rotation guy two years in a row to bench warmer, you are using a schollie that the coach has better use for.
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Maybe. I cannot say you are wrong but none of us were there.
He could have gone out to assess the kid and his family. Discussed his ideas for the future and then made a gut call before leaving. We assume CCC went to recruit. He could have left the meeting suggesting NU would no longer be the best option for Sina (who had plenty of other options).
Maybe. I cannot say you are wrong but none of us were there.
He could have gone out to assess the kid and his family. Discussed his ideas for the future and then made a gut call before leaving. We assume CCC went to recruit. He could have left the meeting suggesting NU would no longer be the best option for Sina (who had plenty of other options).
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I understand your reasoning. But I think you've got the wrong guy.
I understand your reasoning. But I think you've got the wrong guy.
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I think / hope so too - but let's face it, we are NU fans (some drunker on PurpleAid than others). We really don't know and have no body of work to draw from (rookie coach). So, I'm was simply saying that we cannot say whether any of our former players have been 'Creaned.'
For the sake of argument, let's just say we somehow learn the following: CCC had an open and frank conversation with a player: "I don't see you in the rotation unless lighting strikes half the team. Even in practice, I'm going with the young guys so they get some experience. If you stay, you will be held to every standard of any other player and bear the same time demands as the rest of the team, but you won't be touching a ball outside shoot arounds. I think you could play, maybe start, at many other schools. I would rather see you go somewhere and productively use the time and get to play and let me use your scholarship on the next class, than see you sit here on your thumbs next season."
Is that fair? Do you applaud complete candor, or abhor the insensitive nature? And do we know if this is not the conversation that Tom Crean, as possibly many other coaches including our own CCC, have with players that fall out of relevance?
I think / hope so too - but let's face it, we are NU fans (some drunker on PurpleAid than others). We really don't know and have no body of work to draw from (rookie coach). So, I'm was simply saying that we cannot say whether any of our former players have been 'Creaned.'
For the sake of argument, let's just say we somehow learn the following: CCC had an open and frank conversation with a player: "I don't see you in the rotation unless lighting strikes half the team. Even in practice, I'm going with the young guys so they get some experience. If you stay, you will be held to every standard of any other player and bear the same time demands as the rest of the team, but you won't be touching a ball outside shoot arounds. I think you could play, maybe start, at many other schools. I would rather see you go somewhere and productively use the time and get to play and let me use your scholarship on the next class, than see you sit here on your thumbs next season."
Is that fair? Do you applaud complete candor, or abhor the insensitive nature? And do we know if this is not the conversation that Tom Crean, as possibly many other coaches including our own CCC, have with players that fall out of relevance?
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To answer your question, it would disgust me to hear that a coach would say to a scholarship player that no matter how hard he/she works they will never see playing action. It is even more abhorrent to think a coach would say that to a player that he actually recruited-- which would make the coaches recruiting pitch seem like an outright lie (because what coach recruits a player by saying anything other than "you can really be a good one here.")
I don't know if this is the case at Indiana, but at NU scholarships are guaranteed for 4 years (assuming the athlete abides by the rules). If a coach recruits a guy who ultimately doesn't help much, then that is something everyone has to live with. Sure they can recruit a better guy who will take PT, but the scholarship should be honored and I don't believe a player should be "encouraged" to leave.
To answer your question, it would disgust me to hear that a coach would say to a scholarship player that no matter how hard he/she works they will never see playing action. It is even more abhorrent to think a coach would say that to a player that he actually recruited-- which would make the coaches recruiting pitch seem like an outright lie (because what coach recruits a player by saying anything other than "you can really be a good one here.")
I don't know if this is the case at Indiana, but at NU scholarships are guaranteed for 4 years (assuming the athlete abides by the rules). If a coach recruits a guy who ultimately doesn't help much, then that is something everyone has to live with. Sure they can recruit a better guy who will take PT, but the scholarship should be honored and I don't believe a player should be "encouraged" to leave.
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By the way, when I said that I think you've got the wrong guy, I meant Lumpkin. I think if/when it happens it will be a different player.
This post was edited on 2/24 3:31 PM by DocCatsFan
By the way, when I said that I think you've got the wrong guy, I meant Lumpkin. I think if/when it happens it will be a different player.
This post was edited on 2/24 3:31 PM by DocCatsFan
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Collins isn't chasing anyone off.
I do think he's brutally honest with his players, which I think they'd prefer to the alternative.
Bringing up the Sina thing is bogus. He was gone. Nothing to do with Collins.
Maybe the writer inferred too much. Could be that Collins has a policy that they keep recruiting until everyone is admitted.
Could be that one of the parents approached Collins and said, "my son will graduate in June, wants to play next year, but we don't need the scholarship because he's only taking a couple graduate classes which we can cover....or will spend the year finishing an Incomplete."
Could be a lot of things. Regardless, looks like NU will be much stronger next year.
Collins isn't chasing anyone off.
I do think he's brutally honest with his players, which I think they'd prefer to the alternative.
Bringing up the Sina thing is bogus. He was gone. Nothing to do with Collins.
Maybe the writer inferred too much. Could be that Collins has a policy that they keep recruiting until everyone is admitted.
Could be that one of the parents approached Collins and said, "my son will graduate in June, wants to play next year, but we don't need the scholarship because he's only taking a couple graduate classes which we can cover....or will spend the year finishing an Incomplete."
Could be a lot of things. Regardless, looks like NU will be much stronger next year.
Re: Is it possible for Demps to play his 5th year without a scholarship?
Thanks, DeeringFish. I assume if Tre wanted to stay for a 2-year grad program, he would be on the hook for the second year, if the first year is covered by his scholarship.
Thanks, DeeringFish. I assume if Tre wanted to stay for a 2-year grad program, he would be on the hook for the second year, if the first year is covered by his scholarship.
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