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Collins is a lifer at NU

Anyone who listened to that Waddle and Silvy interview should know this to be the truth.
Duke isn't going to pull him away. Before the interview, I thought that might be possible.
No more.

Great to have you home Coach Collins.
I agree. He hated the "comma" when compared to his Dad, and I doubt he wants to be the protege of Coach K at Duke.
 
Anyone who listened to that Waddle and Silvy interview should know this to be the truth.
Duke isn't going to pull him away. Before the interview, I thought that might be possible.
No more.

Great to have you home Coach Collins.

Starts at about 52:00 into the link below (couldn't find a standalone clip, but could be out there):

http://www.espn.com/espnradio/chicago/play?id=18962059

While I don't know I'm ready to put the "lifer" tag on him, he sure sounds confident in where he is and where the program is headed. It's hard to put a price on "ownership," but the NU program is now essentially his for the foreseeable future. If that turns into multiple NCAA trips and competing for titles, he could make it hard on himself to leave.
 
If I were in his position I'd think long and hard before trying to follow a legend. Very, very tough act to follow.
 
Tavaras Hardy was in Salt Lake City wearing purple for both tournament games. I would not be surprised to see him back in Evanston should Baldwin or Gates move on.
 
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Starts at about 52:00 into the link below (couldn't find a standalone clip, but could be out there):

http://www.espn.com/espnradio/chicago/play?id=18962059

While I don't know I'm ready to put the "lifer" tag on him, he sure sounds confident in where he is and where the program is headed. It's hard to put a price on "ownership," but the NU program is now essentially his for the foreseeable future. If that turns into multiple NCAA trips and competing for titles, he could make it hard on himself to leave.
I think one place Chris might think about, down the road is the NBA.
 
I think one place Chris might think about, down the road is the NBA.

Bingo. The Bulls job would be very tough to pass up and I think that job will be available as early as next year. Hoiberg is not an NBA coach and I think after next year you could see the Bulls cleaning house and starting a full rebuild. I think Collins would be exactly the type of young energetic coach that I would pursue. Reinsdorf and Doug Collins are still very close.
 
On to the next topic. Gar Forman is not going to hire a college coach after his preferred coach, Fred Hoiberg has and will continue to fail miserably making the transition from a college coach. However, he is making $5 million a year so he is not going to step down. Collins has been saying for years that he knows how difficult it is to follow a legend. (See UCLA job after Wooden) He has a young family and he is staying here for the foreseeable future. Stop the never-ending coaching posts that we saw with Barnett. Don't you think his buddy, Fitz has told him the story of wanderlust, Barnett who failed at Colorado never to get another coaching job again.

Let's talk basketball. Who will be the 12th and 13th scholarship players? I like Mark Smith with the 12th scholarship and a big guy with the 13th scholarship.
 
On to the next topic. Gar Forman is not going to hire a college coach after his preferred coach, Fred Hoiberg has and will continue to fail miserably making the transition from a college coach. However, he is making $5 million a year so he is not going to step down. Collins has been saying for years that he knows how difficult it is to follow a legend. (See UCLA job after Wooden) He has a young family and he is staying here for the foreseeable future. Stop the never-ending coaching posts that we saw with Barnett. Don't you think his buddy, Fitz has told him the story of wanderlust, Barnett who failed at Colorado never to get another coaching job again.

Let's talk basketball. Who will be the 12th and 13th scholarship players? I like Mark Smith with the 12th scholarship and a big guy with the 13th scholarship.

You think Gar Forman will hire the next Bulls coach? LOL. The guy is lucky he still has a job. He will be on the street right next to Hoiberg. Already should be. I am not saying it will happen but if any job will tempt Collins, it will be an NBA job and I think the Chicago Bulls job will be at the top of his list. I see Collins in the same vein as Billy Donovan and Brad Stevens. Those guys needed a little time but they made the transition to the NBA very successfully.
 
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At some point with all the B1G coaches salaries going up, NU is going to have to open up as the piggy bank well. Underwood signed at $3 million a year which I think is almost double Collins salary.

Someone is going to to call with a big check - will Morty and Jim match?
 
At some point with all the B1G coaches salaries going up, NU is going to have to open up as the piggy bank well. Underwood signed at $3 million a year which I think is almost double Collins salary.

Someone is going to to call with a big check - will Morty and Jim match?

Well... we're unlikely to get actual salary numbers without at least a couple years' delay (generally through release of the school's tax filings), but Phillips has shown the willingness to open the wallet having extended Collins once already:

http://www.insidenu.com/2015/5/27/8664995/chris-collins-contract-extension-analysis

I wouldn't be shocked if Collins' work this season earned him another preemptive extension and salary bump to at least be at the top of the "middle tier" of B1G coaches, something in the range of $1.9-2.0MM/year.
 
On to the next topic. Gar Forman is not going to hire a college coach after his preferred coach, Fred Hoiberg has and will continue to fail miserably making the transition from a college coach. However, he is making $5 million a year so he is not going to step down. Collins has been saying for years that he knows how difficult it is to follow a legend. (See UCLA job after Wooden) He has a young family and he is staying here for the foreseeable future. Stop the never-ending coaching posts that we saw with Barnett. Don't you think his buddy, Fitz has told him the story of wanderlust, Barnett who failed at Colorado never to get another coaching job again.

Let's talk basketball. Who will be the 12th and 13th scholarship players? I like Mark Smith with the 12th scholarship and a big guy with the 13th scholarship.
I just responding to all of the talk of Chris leaving for another college position, I think he really likes it at NU but the call of the NBA may be hard to ignore. Don't think it will be next year but just maybe 5 or 10 years from now, who knows. I hope not and I also would like to talk recruiting and think that Smith and big man would be the right way to go.
 
While I don't know I'm ready to put the "lifer" tag on him, he sure sounds confident in where he is and where the program is headed. It's hard to put a price on "ownership," but the NU program is now essentially his for the foreseeable future. If that turns into multiple NCAA trips and competing for titles, he could make it hard on himself to leave.
I listened to what he said. It was TOTALLY EXPECTED. I mean, how many tmes have you heard a college coach saying something like "you know what, this job I have...I took it as a stepping stone...I just hope to put together a string of 2-3 solid seasons, expecting that a bigger/better school will come calling, offering a hefty pay raise".

No coach will EVER say something like that. The vast majority will tell you that whichever job they have it's their dream job, or just about, that they love the place, the atmosphere, the school, etc., etc. It's completely normal. Among other things because they are recruiting year round and want their targets to really believe all that.

That said, I am not insinuating CC is looking to leave. I have no idea. I guess if a big-name school shows serious interest he'd probably listen. It's normal, and he can always say he owes it to his family and kids to do so.

Money is a legitimate consideration, of course. If he is making about $1.5MM and a decent school is offering $2MM that's $0.5MM more EACH year. Over a 5 year period, it adds up to $2.5MM of extra income that he'd give up to stay in Evanston. Would he? Perhaps. But what if the offer is $2.5MM. That's one million extra EVERY year for doing the same job, or possibly a bit easier (admissions, etc). Would he still turn it down? Would you, in a similar spot?

You probably wouldn't, and therefore shouldn't expect him to do so.
 
I listened to what he said. It was TOTALLY EXPECTED. I mean, how many tmes have you heard a college coach saying something like "you know what, this job I have...I took it as a stepping stone...I plan to put together a string of 2-3 solid seasons, hoping for a bigger/better place with a hefty pay raise".

No coach will EVER say something like that. The vast majority will tell you that whichever job they have it's their dream job, or just about, that they love the place, the atmosphere, the school, etc., etc. It's completely normal. Among other things because they are recruiting year round and want their targets to really believe all that.

That said, I am not insinuating CC is looking to leave. I have no idea. I guess if a big-name school shows serious interest he'd probably listen. It's normal, and he can always say he owes it to his family and kids to do so.

Money is a legitimate consideration, of course. If he is making about $1.5MM and a decent school is offering $2MM that's $0.5MM more EACH year. Over a 5 year period, it adds up to $2.5MM of extra income that he'd give up to stay in Evanston. Would he? Perhaps. But what if the offer is $2.5MM. That's one million extra EVERY year for doing the same job, or possibly a bit easier (admissions, etc). Would he still turn it down? Would you, in a similar spot?

You probably wouldn't, and therefore shouldn't expect him to do so.

Now you're arguing just for argument's sake.
 
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In 2014 Collins made $1.3 million; Fitz $3.3 million.

Almost like Phillips realized that was out of balance and decided to ink Collins to an extension/salary increase in 2015. Weird.

Also, Chris Collins had one year of sub-.500 B1G ball on his resume in 2014 while Fitz had 8 seasons under his belt, including the first bowl win in NU modern football history (along with legitimate interest from "name" programs to substantiate further salary bump(s)).
 
Almost like Phillips realized that was out of balance and decided to ink Collins to an extension/salary increase in 2015. Weird.

Also, Chris Collins had one year of sub-.500 B1G ball on his resume in 2014 while Fitz had 8 seasons under his belt, including the first bowl win in NU modern football history (along with legitimate interest from "name" programs to substantiate further salary bump(s)).
All correct. 2014 is simply the most recent calendar year reflected in a public 990.
 
In 2014 Collins made $1.3 million; Fitz $3.3 million (salaries).
Hard to believe that NU is paying its FB coach more than what EIGHT of 13 other B1G schools pay theirs. The 5 that outpay NU are the 3 obvious behemoths Mich, OSU and PSU, plus MSU and IOA. That's it.

Thankfully NU has gotten plenty of B1G division and league titles for its generosity...exactly...oooopsss!!
 
At some point with all the B1G coaches salaries going up, NU is going to have to open up as the piggy bank well. Underwood signed at $3 million a year which I think is almost double Collins salary.
NU should pay competitively. Seems to be doing so in FB (only 5 B1G schools pay more than NU, the 3 super-giants + MSU and IOA). However, NU shouldn't be suckered into a "bidding war". At some point the "market value" of an employee is higher than what the firm can reasonably pay. At that point the firm should just thank the employee for his/services and try to hire a replacement that will turn out as well as the departing one.

In the case of college coaches, if every coach leaves the program in a stronger (or at least not weaker) position than he found, the school should be able to replace him from a pool that is at least as strong as the one that yielded the departing coach.
 
I still think that if Duke calls, Collins will go. He went to college and spent half his life there. It would be hard to imagine him leaving for somewhere else as long as Phillips takes care of the money, which he always has before. The way Collins defended Phillips' son in that interview made me think it would be very hard for him to leave unless he feels disrespected financially.
 
I still think that if Duke calls, Collins will go. He went to college and spent half his life there. It would be hard to imagine him leaving for somewhere else as long as Phillips takes care of the money, which he always has before. The way Collins defended Phillips' son in that interview made me think it would be very hard for him to leave unless he feels disrespected financially.

He might go to Duke but not as a replacement for Coach K. So not the next round.
1) Filling the shoes of a legend (and one that kind of deserves to be a legend) is a fools errand and CC is no fool.
2) I think it would feel too vain for him to think he could replace a man he venerates.
 
I still think that if Duke calls, Collins will go. He went to college and spent half his life there. It would be hard to imagine him leaving for somewhere else as long as Phillips takes care of the money, which he always has before.
Not to mention that Duke's coach makes over $7 MM, almost doubled the B1G highest paid BkB coach. Pretty tough for NU to pay that kind of money any time soon.
As stated elsewhere the NU AD has limited revenue. That puts a cap on the amount it can spend on coaches salaries. It might some day happen that CC's fair market value exceeds what NU can pay. If that happens NU should be glad: It probably means CC has had MAJOR success at NU. Well beyond the round of 32 of the NCAAT.
 
If certain people went to games, certain posters would know that Coach Chris Collins is the recipient of the Sullivan Ubben Scholarship which is a scholarship created by wealthy alumni which contains at least $3 million dollars for Chris Collins' coaches' salary. AD Jim Phiillips who is the premier AD in the nation did this IMHO to help pay Collins' obvious salary increase which will happen soon as has been indicated in the many interviews of Jim Phillips.

As for the alleged behomeths which do not include any, please note that NU has the second largest endowment in the Big 10 behind UM so that makes NU a behometh in the Big 10. So just like some like to categorize NU as not in the top of the Big 10 because of its size, they don't understand that school strength should be judged by how was the most funds and NU has the second most funds in the Big 10. Past Presidents have not used NU's funds for sports but current NU President is a huge sports fan and has opened NU's wallet towards sports in an unprecedented fashion at NU. Posters need to stop using that crutch when not including NU in the top of the Big 10. We do not bring in junior college players like Minny and other schools and obviously the fact that we have academic standards is factor but has not stopped NU or schools like Stanford in football.

As for comments about Gar Forman being fired, he and his wife are supposedly best buddies with Michael Reinsdorf and his wife who is the President of the Bulls. That means that most people who are following the Bulls know that he is not going anywhere. Please note how one of the most talented Bulls' coaches was fired or rolled under the bus because of Forman and Paxson's horrible draft moves and other sub par decisions as General Manager.
 
If certain people went to games, certain posters would know that Coach Chris Collins is the recipient of the Sullivan Ubben Scholarship which is a scholarship created by wealthy alumni which contains at least $3 million dollars for Chris Collins' coaches' salary. AD Jim Phiillips who is the premier AD in the nation did this IMHO to help pay Collins' obvious salary increase which will happen soon as has been indicated in the many interviews of Jim Phillips.

As for the alleged behomeths which do not include any, please note that NU has the second largest endowment in the Big 10 behind UM so that makes NU a behometh in the Big 10.

An endowment fund (not a scholarship FYI) of $3MM would yield net about $150K PER YEAR. To yield $3MM a year net, the endowment would need to reach about $60MM total.

All reports of CC's salary puts it about $1.5MM a year. The BkB program produces plenty of revenue, but together with FB must fund the entire AD including all nonrev sports.

Good luck trying to persuade NU's power-that-be to sacrifice the university's general endowment money to pay coaches. Wouldn't bet on it.
 
Bingo. The Bulls job would be very tough to pass up and I think that job will be available as early as next year. Hoiberg is not an NBA coach and I think after next year you could see the Bulls cleaning house and starting a full rebuild. I think Collins would be exactly the type of young energetic coach that I would pursue. Reinsdorf and Doug Collins are still very close.

I don't see it. His dad's old job makes little sense for a guy who seems to enjoy doing his own, separate thing. The only thing it has going for it is that he wouldn't have to move. Of course, the season is 3 times as long. That's the kind of job you take when you hate your wife.
 
The clueless one strikes again. As stated in numerous interviews by Jim Phillips, CC will be getting a hefty salary increase. The scholarship's express intent is to help with coaches' salaries. Fitzgerald and Amonte-Hiller have been recipients of scholarships before. So you fill in the blanks. As Phillips has stated in numerous occasions, NU has never had a coach leave based on salary. I know you don't know this but UM went after Fitz and he said no. Why? Because he saw what happened to Barnett and Chicago is his home.

NU is paying $350 million plus on the new athletic football facility and basketball facility so I think NU is fully capable of competing with the best in the Big 10 and the nation.

Keep up with your lame attempts at basketball analysis and trying to take subtle jabs at the NU basketball team and I along with DCB and Evanston Cat will continue to try to get your basketball acumen up to normal levels.
 
BTW, Mark Smith of Edwardsville was named Illinois Mr. Basketball which means the top player in the state. Smith is seriously considering NU ahead of Nojel Eastern and Jordan Goodwin who chose to go to PU and St. Louis. So that means FS that NU is going after higher level basketball players and athletes than ever before and being seriously considered by higher level players than ever before and that is yet another sign that this program continues to be on the upswing.
 
I don't see it. His dad's old job makes little sense for a guy who seems to enjoy doing his own, separate thing. The only thing it has going for it is that he wouldn't have to move. Of course, the season is 3 times as long. That's the kind of job you take when you hate your wife.

The whole thing about getting out of his dad's shadow is certainly a factor. That being said, I think Collins at his core is a competitor and I think at some point he will have the itch to prove himself in the very best basketball league in the world and that is the NBA. I don't think that happens until he achieves "success" at NU and I am not sure exactly how he would define success but I know he isn't there yet. Regarding the time commitment, the NBA is rigorous but I know a lot of coaches who say that the time commitment dedicated to recruiting in the college game is endless and that they much prefer the NBA lifestyle because it's all about basketball rather than spending half your time having to kiss some 18 year old kid's ass.
 
If certain people went to games, certain posters would know that Coach Chris Collins is the recipient of the Sullivan Ubben Scholarship which is a scholarship created by wealthy alumni which contains at least $3 million dollars for Chris Collins' coaches' salary. AD Jim Phiillips who is the premier AD in the nation did this IMHO to help pay Collins' obvious salary increase which will happen soon as has been indicated in the many interviews of Jim Phillips.

As for the alleged behomeths which do not include any, please note that NU has the second largest endowment in the Big 10 behind UM so that makes NU a behometh in the Big 10. So just like some like to categorize NU as not in the top of the Big 10 because of its size, they don't understand that school strength should be judged by how was the most funds and NU has the second most funds in the Big 10. Past Presidents have not used NU's funds for sports but current NU President is a huge sports fan and has opened NU's wallet towards sports in an unprecedented fashion at NU. Posters need to stop using that crutch when not including NU in the top of the Big 10. We do not bring in junior college players like Minny and other schools and obviously the fact that we have academic standards is factor but has not stopped NU or schools like Stanford in football.

As for comments about Gar Forman being fired, he and his wife are supposedly best buddies with Michael Reinsdorf and his wife who is the President of the Bulls. That means that most people who are following the Bulls know that he is not going anywhere. Please note how one of the most talented Bulls' coaches was fired or rolled under the bus because of Forman and Paxson's horrible draft moves and other sub par decisions as General Manager.

I did not know about the Forman/Reinsdorf connection. I do know that the Bulls were a few tweaks away from making the NBA finals and when Holberg was hired we were told that the pieces were in place for the Bulls to contend for a title. Here we are a few seasons later and the Bulls are barely a playoff team. The Bulls are heading down the toilet and they will be a lottery team next year if no changes are made. I attribute this downfall completely to the decisions made by the Paxson/Forman regime. If Reinsdorf is dumb enough to let this situation persists because of a personal relationship with Forman, then he deserves everything he's got coming to him and Chris Collins would be wise to steer clear of the organization if any future opportunity presents itself.
 
I know Brad Stevens is having success at Boston, but he is the exception and not the rule, as far as college coaches succeeding in the NBA.
 
I know Brad Stevens is having success at Boston, but he is the exception and not the rule, as far as college coaches succeeding in the NBA.

I don't know about the exception but there are certainly more coaches that have failed in making that transition than have succeeded. Not surprising since the NBA is the best basketball league in the world and only the best coaches will thrive. I happen to think that Collins has what it takes.
 
I don't know about the exception but there are certainly more coaches that have failed in making that transition than have succeeded. Not surprising since the NBA is the best basketball league in the world and only the best coaches will thrive. I happen to think that Collins has what it takes.

I personally believe success in the NBA has far more to do with the talent level a team can put on the court than coaching ability. I'm quite confident Doug Collins could have won a championship with the rosters Phil Jackson had in Chicago and LA. It's pretty rare that a sub-par team talent wise makes a run to the championship. It's just too hard with a 7 game series. But in march madness, anything is possible.
 
The whole thing about getting out of his dad's shadow is certainly a factor. That being said, I think Collins at his core is a competitor and I think at some point he will have the itch to prove himself in the very best basketball league in the world and that is the NBA. I don't think that happens until he achieves "success" at NU and I am not sure exactly how he would define success but I know he isn't there yet. Regarding the time commitment, the NBA is rigorous but I know a lot of coaches who say that the time commitment dedicated to recruiting in the college game is endless and that they much prefer the NBA lifestyle because it's all about basketball rather than spending half your time having to kiss some 18 year old kid's ass.
Ask Tom Thibideau if NBA coaching is more about basketball than kissing ass. Ask Paul Westhead. Ask that coach that Lebron had fired last year. How do you think Fred Hoiberg got, and keeps, his job? You think he does less ass kissing now than he did at Iowa State? I'm the furthest thing from an NBA expert, but my impression is that until you reach the pantheon level of Pop or Riley or Phil Jackson, NBA head coach is one of the most ass-kissing-dependent jobs in all of sports.
 
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