George Turkson
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Despite what it says on 24/7, Coach Collins offered George Turkson in September 2022.
He makes his announcement this evening.
Kid was quoted as saying he values academics and wants to get a degree in "the sciences."
He makes his announcement this evening.
Kid was quoted as saying he values academics and wants to get a degree in "the sciences."
His final schools are the local school to please the hometown, an elite academic school because it looks good, and the school he wants to ultimately go to.
Yeah I know thats the logical way to look at it and in my heart I suspect you are correct, but at least the kid thought it through!
I think the portal also had something to do with it, lot of 24's are committing with a couple of more live periods left
Would have been nice to see clayton and turkson team up again. They won the adidas open last year and along with teng (micn st), were adidas All-Americans. Oh welll more schools to follow.
Andre Mills also went to a&m.
Rivals puts out a bunch of players. Boo being one as well.
Would have been nice to see clayton and turkson team up again. They won the adidas open last year and along with teng (micn st), were adidas All-Americans. Oh welll more schools to follow.
Andre Mills also went to a&m.
Rivals puts out a bunch of players. Boo being one as well.
Good friends with Jordan Clayton. Also a solid relationship with Coach Battle. I think it’s an unfair characterization to to assume NU was a finalist because “it looks good”. Rather mean spirited of you.
Turkson's decision tonight is another unfortunate example of NU's academic advantages providing no differentiating certainty in a final decision - especially in the unknown NIL world. There's no academic comparison of NU to A&M or UMass, yet NU is still on the outside of this choice.
From an order of magnitude - we lose out on a lot more who don’t value academics than we gain on the ones that do. Proving that it works well on a small subset does not outweigh that it doesn’t work well on the large subset.
How many other ways must we say the same thing?
I don't understand your logic.
We lose all the time on top players who are more interested in basketball than academics, but can or did get thru NU admissions.
We try (rightly) to get those guys, but the best of those will usually choose to play for a top program. Its the next tier that should be our focus (until we can establish the program).
Then there's a whole big group we can't recruit.
It is much less likely that we'd get top players from that big group, even if we could recruit them, because they are almost solely focused on basketball. (Again, we are not known as a basketball power).
To me you are saying "if we could only recruit those kids who are very unlikely to come to Northwestern, we'd be great."
I think Collins has figured this out, to a large degree.
Can’t believe I’m in agreement with PWB. Collins has figured it out. Fitz had it figured out…unfortunately some of the rules of the game have changed…looks like he’s starting to adapt. Time will tell.
For one, what I am saying is reemphasizing what was discussed ad nauseum on a now cancelled other thread - our limited recruiting population hurts us; it does not help us.
Secondly, in that other thread, you said we should not be a program that tries to tell/sell recruits that they can make the NBA. I then disagreed with that, citing all of the players recruited by Collins who have played (and continue to play) their hearts out trying to do so.
Collins is not telling recruits - “my program is not yet established; we’re not a basketball power; come with me and just get a great education”. He’s selling that he can develop them into NBA players, and is doing his best within the NU recruiting parameters (thus a smaller recruiting pool). And I presume we agree he is doing a damn good job of this!
In this case one of the ex rivals players is in the coaching staff at a & m . Might be that simple.
Having Battle at NU probably helped with Boo.
Relationship building
Having Battle at NU probably helped with Boo.
Relationship building
We don’t need the top players from the big group. A decent percentage of the next level of kids from the big group would be interested in playing in the B1G for an excellent school outside of Chicago. Because they can’t get through admissions doesn’t mean they wouldn’t be interested. There are lots of kids on the fringes who could help the team and they go to other schools and frequently contribute and graduate. We have different requirements than everyone else in the conference and it impacts the composition of the team, most of the time negatively. Not advocating either way. Just stating facts.
Oh!! So now admissions and academics ARE a negative in the potential for recruiting. That's a good start.
Do you really think you're saying anything new here that hasn't been practiced by both Collins and Carmody, and repeated God-only-know how many times? But I'm glad we have another step in acknowledging the limits of NU's recruiting potential.
Kevin O'Neill said only 10 percent of the top 100 have the grades to get into NU. So let's be generous and call it 25 percent. And that's before the coaches have sat down to talk to them about NIL, weather, their girlfriends, playing time,the NBA and much more.
Yes, as we've said, the school does not "practically sell itself." There is a complexity that history long proves. Thus, the talent pool is very limited, and there is no recruiting "certainty" at all - nothing close to it. At least for now "until we can establish the program."
I assume you are referring to Boo not transferring and/or coming back? Boo came to NU before Battle.
Gordie:
I wrote that not being able to recruit in the big pool is a disadvantage but not as "overwhelming" as some are claiming. Thats it. Thats all I wrote.
On your second point, you significantly mis-interpreted what I wrote (and that led, predictably, to the thread being closed). I said we should recruit primarily on Big Ten competition and academic prestige (Northwestern's reputation). We should not try to sell ourselves as "we're the guys who get players to the NBA." Every recruit knows who those programs are and there are plenty of pretenders who tell every recruit the same thing.. We are not in that top group (yet). Nowhere did I say that we should tell recruits that they can't make the NBA. That would be completely idiotic. But we have a great argument for the parents - that NU diploma is a good backup plan if the NBA doesn't work out. Some of the guys we recruit would also understand that.
On your third point, I wll simply pass. Nobody said those things.
I haven't changed my opinion at all. We just disagree on the extent of the disadvantage we face in recruiting.
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