Is the timing of the NLRB ruling good or bad? In one sense, I think it let's the players stop thinking about union issues and the "business" side of things and allows them to further get back to playing football. On the other hand, it's very possible that the team was divided on the union issue and it created chemistry issues over the last 1 to 2 seasons. If the chemistry is better now, is the ruling just picking at an old wound?
Good timing or bad timing?
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Neither, timing is irrelevant in my mind. I doubt there has been much if any focus on this with the team preparation for the season. It should eliminate an excuse or speculation on what is ailing our performance .
I will vote good timing. School is not in session and games are not being played. The media has limited access to the players at this point in time and have more interesting things to focus on with the beginning of a new season.
I agree. Perhaps of as much importance to me, as a former labor lawyer, is that the NLRB "got it right". It is great not only for NU, but for higher education and college athletics, to put this silly issue behind us.
Guess all it took to get schools to actually care about players health was a threat to take their "cash cow" away from them. How silly.
Speaking as a former college athlete, I think when Colter left this concept and idea went with him. If I was a freshman coming in last year all I would have thought about is trying to get on the field. I wouldn't have thought about the union unless someone mentioned it to me These are 18 year old kids who just want to play football, they are not union reps. I would doubt even more that anyone is even thinking about it this year.
Bad timing in the sense it happened on the day BTN was in Kenosha taking the focus off the players / practice. Good timing in the sense that it is OVER now, get on with the season.
GO Cats !!
It is GREAT timing because of the decision. Had the decision gone the other way, it would have been terrible timing as the players votes would have been made public and the media circus would have wound up with the players pitted against the University. As a result of the decision, the thing is over, the votes are destroyed, and the team can be a team. As far as the media is concerned, this will fizzle out in about 48 hours max.
I would have to say good timing. The players are at Kenosha so they are too busy to think about it. Even if there are players left who had some feelings one way or the other, they all want to get to football right now.
This has been tough on NU football but many policies got changed as a result of the attention this brought to the front on players issues like health insurance.
This has been tough on NU football but many policies got changed as a result of the attention this brought to the front on players issues like health insurance.
Please stop with this foolish non-truth that the team was ever divided by this union issue. Distracted, yes. Pissed off, yes. But divided? No sir. It's a damn shame the result of this vote won't officially come out because what I heard from a super great source was that there were no more than 6 votes to unionize. 6! There was never any division. Never.
Given that no one is supposed to know the results of the voting until the votes are unsealed (and this will not occur), this must of been some super source. There are other "super sources" floating on the internet that provide different tallies. Guess the "super sources" need to have a meeting and get their facts straight.
Ok. You'r reminded. And your loss. I'm right on this. There was no division. Never. There was Colter and a couple others and that's it. The rest of the team was PISSED at him for foisting that crap on them and there was no way in hell they'd ever have voted for anything he proposed at that point except for the handful of Don Quixotes. You're a fool if you believe otherwise. But you're free to believe that this was hugely divisive if you want to. You'd just be wrong.
You think this is an internet source? LOL!
You obviously know nothing. People who know me probably can guess who my source is. Then again, people who know me already know I know. Does anybody really believe that this information wasn't important enough for the kids to be asked how they voted and for somebody to actually keep track of the responses?
By the way, this isn't the first time I've said this. I said this a week or so after the voting ... that my source had told me it was a ridiculous, lopsided, blow-out of a F.U. to Kain for what he did and that only 6 guys had voted with him and that this whole thing was DOA no matter what the NLRB ruled.
The funny thing we're reading now from the press is that Kain was a success for this and that the NLRB "punted" rather than decided against the union. First of all, Kain failed. He had a goal. He didn't get it. He's not happy. That's called failure. Second, the NLRB ruled that this wasn't the type of case they should be taking because it's not within the intent of what they do. In other words, they know damn well that this argument was a stretch and was a square peg looking for a round hole, and even though they're all a bunch of devout lefties over there, even THEY couldn't bring themselves to stretch their authority this far. Common sense prevailed - amazing.
Oh, how I've missed you. Thank for, Football Gods, for the return of the season!
I guess i forgot and I stand corrected. You are "The Most Interesting Man in the World"
The only thing we will ever know to be a fact is that at one point over 30 percent of the scholarship players wanted to be represented by the Union. Otherwise, the representation petition never would have been docketed.
Can we say that 30% wanted to see the option explored? While some can guess what the outcome might have been, exact votes are much tougher as people might misrepresent what they actually did for a variety of reasons. But for sure, 30% is a lot more than 6
You can't really know what the players were thinking when they signed the cards. However, the cards wouldn't be counted by the Board towards the 30 percent showing of interest unless they unequivocally stated that the signee wanted to be represented by the Union
That is incredibly naïve. 30% of the kids signed a card that was jammed in their face by Kain with the help of this union goons. He lied to them. They had no idea what they signed up for when they signed that card. To most of them, it was more like a petition than anything else. So you can't say that 30% wanted to be represented by a union. What you can say is that 30% had enough trust in their former team captain that they were willing to sign the card in good faith to help their "friend" with his petition. Once they found out how badly he had lied to them, there were 6 still supporting him when it came time to vote.
Are you calling our players liars? If the staff asks them how they voted, do you think the players lied? Based on what?
Yes, I certainly believe there were only a handful voting for the union. However, IMO it is hard to argue that changes were and are still required. The NU vote and the O'Bannon ruling have put a scare in the NCAA and its member institutions that likely has been a catalyst for some change that has started to occur. It's not gigantic change, but it's s start. I guess it depends on what your consider a failure or how much influence you feel this and O'Bannon had on spurring change.
Since you have not given your source or the specifics, I have no idea of exact votes. What we do know is at least 30% signed union cards which brought about the vote. Since the votes were never counted, no one but them knows what they did. They might tell the staff they voted one way while they actually voted another. Or they might have been reluctant to tell them anything. They staff might have had a good general indication of how people voted based on those conversations but that would be it. THey can have a general feeling that the votes went in NU's favor but that would be it. If there were 50 votes, they might have had a feeling that a certain number definitely went union and a number definitely went NU but there would still be a number that they just did not know. I would guess the the number that would not say one way or another could have been pretty large.
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Guess we will just have to wait until next vote is taken. remember the door is still open.
Don't bank on that. The board spoke out of both sides of its mouth: they said that this decision didn't prohibit them from snaring jurisdiction back in the future, but in the same opinion, they said that this isn't within their purpose or purview.
So I don't see how they take up another case soon u less something materially changes for the worse - and I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell of that happening. It's only going to get better for the athletes. So this is dead as a practical matter.
So I don't see how they take up another case soon u less something materially changes for the worse - and I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell of that happening. It's only going to get better for the athletes. So this is dead as a practical matter.
I don't know where you come up with this stuff. The cards had to clearly state that the signee wanted to be represented by the union or they wouldn't be counted. Your fantasy that more than 30 percent of the players would be so dense as to not understand what the cards said due to some supposed lies told by Kain Colter is ridiculous. For what it's worth I also received player feedback about the campaign and what I heard doesn't resemble what you've been spewing about Colter. I didn't bother reporting what I was told because as you have amply demonstrated hearsay isn't all that reliable. I don't know whether your supposed source is making up what you are claiming or if it's just you. I do know that the players can read and comprehend and I know what the cards said. That's good enough for me.
PaCat, you clearly don't know what you're talking about. The kids got bamboozled. Colter said it himself! He said they had to ram it down their throats in a day. And they intentionally broke them up the team into groups so that if one guy had the balls to say "wait a minute here" or asked any tough questions, the wouldn't poison the whole group. Does that sound like the actions of somebody who intends to be honest? I guess to you it does. So don't ask me where I get this stuff.... if you're going to ask, you might want to start with Colter himself....
"Colter said it himself!"
Look at the rest of your post and how you characterized what Colter said. Not even close to an unbiased or fair representation of what Colter actually said. Yet you expect people to accept verbatim your rendition of what you were supposedly told by your sources.
Look at the rest of your post and how you characterized what Colter said. Not even close to an unbiased or fair representation of what Colter actually said. Yet you expect people to accept verbatim your rendition of what you were supposedly told by your sources.
Are these the same NU kids with very high SAT and GPA scores and graduation rates, who are touted by the university, many in the media and lots of board folks as elite students. Now you say that they can't read a union proposal and were forced to sign the document because they were afraid to stand up for themselves. Your either joking or lying.
Who said I expect you to accept anything. I'm telling you what happened. So is Colter. So have other players in tweets and emails and to the press. And so has my source - a gentleman who has personally known every single NU football player and coach for at least 25-30 years, and knows the program just about as well as anybody affiliated with it today. Yet you choose not to believe it. As I've said before, that's entirely up to you. So I am not asking you to accept anything - other than the fact that you have no idea what you're talking about.
I said they were bamboozled into signing it by a friend using guerilla tactics and lies. The rest is things that YOU are saying. Just keep lying to yourself and keep on believing that that meeting was on the up and up. The entire team disagrees with you. But don't let that get in the way of your alternate universe bizarro-world realities.
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