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If (and only if) we get by Stanford, and we find a QB, I see at least an 8 win season (Stanford, E. Illinois, Ball State, Gophers, Iowa, PSU, Purdue and Illinois).

The only thing hapless in Chicago is roasted on Thanksgiving (or in this case, by Thanksgiving).
 
^^^ add major growth/improvement in the OL and I think you have it nailed.

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and, Go Cats !!
 
There are just so many questions that need to be answered -- who's the QB? Can our WRs be consistent catching the ball? Will the OL improve enough? Can we consistently utilize our talented SBs? Will our offensive scheme continue to stagnate? Is the interior DL healthy and can they be stout against the run? Who will replace the playmaking of Ariguzo and Campbell? Can we get a consistent punting game?

I could see anywhere from four to eight wins given the current state of the team and the schedule.
 
Here are my answers:

1. QB? We have a fifth year starter with a good arm and some experience, a redshirt sophomore who has shined this spring, and a redshirt freshman who is supposed to be the Second Coming. Each stands a chance to earn the QB nod in his own right. Competition, pedigree, etc. Was there a QB question going into last season? Not really. There shouldn't be any this year either. In fact, the only question by what degree will the QB unit be better than last year.

2. WR? Our best WR is returning, our two super SBs - who should be included in any receiving corps evaluation - are coming back, new blood is emerging from recruiting, and we still have speed specialists and tough over the middle guys with eligibility left. Last year, you and others cited WR as one of our strengths. What's changed? Sure, Jones graduated but we still have depth and high ceilings in this unit.

3. OL - There is only one direction this unit can go - that's up. It can't get any worse than the last two years. Nope.

4. DTs - we have so many big baddies coming off of injury that someone has to be healthy, and in the aggregate, we shouldn't concern ourselves with this unit.

5. Punting? I liked what I saw from our left footed punter last season in the short time he played (also coming off an injury). No issues here.

6. Who will replace play making abilities of Campbell - the same guy who did last year in the Wisconsin game. While Ariguza is also a notable loss, I don't see much downside to Henry assuming the position.


Eight win season. Starting with an upset over Stanford in the opener.
 
While I definitely like the "glass half full" responses, there are just as many "glass half empty" responses.

For the record, these are not how I necessarily think or hope the season will play out, but just to illustrate that there are plenty of questions/concerns outstanding as we head into 2015. Purely playing Devil's Advocate:


Originally posted by Cat In The Cradle:
Here are my answers:

1. QB? We have a fifth year starter with a good arm and some experience who we saw turn the ball over five times in one half against a subpar Illinois defense in his only start, a redshirt sophomore who has shined this spring and threw a grand total of four passes for zero yards last year, and a redshirt freshman who is supposed to be the Second Coming who has thrown a grand total of zero collegiate passes. Each stands a chance to earn the QB nod in his own right. Competition, pedigree, etc. Was there a QB question going into last season? Not really. There shouldn't be any this year either. In fact, the only question by what degree will the QB unit be better than last year.

2. WR? Our best WR is returning from his second ACL tear with questions about his effectiveness upon his return, our two super SBs - who should be included in any receiving corps evaluation - are coming back both of whom arguably underperformed last year, new blood is emerging from recruiting who aren't even on campus yet, and we still have speed specialists and tough over the middle guys with eligibility left we do?. Last year, you and others cited WR as one of our strengths. I was flat wrong. The unit looked much better on paper than they did on Saturdays. What's changed? Two straight years of underperformance, especially struggles with just consistently catching the ball. Sure, Jones graduated but we still have depth and high ceilings in this unit.

3. OL - There is only one direction this unit can go - that's up. It can't get any worse than the last two years. Nope. Sure it could. That's the fear. We lose a four-year starter at center and our starting LT. Those are two positions where inexperience can absolutely kill an OL.

4. DTs - we have so many big baddies coming off of injury that someone has to be healthy, and in the aggregate, we shouldn't concern ourselves with this unit. McEvilly has had chronic foot problems, which can be the end of a career for a big guy. Kuhar tore up his knee in November, making a full recovery by August highly unlikely. Robbins has to get much tougher against the run more consistently. Mahoney is now a guard. Lancaster has struggled with injuries the past two years. Oxley is coming off of shoulder surgery early in his career. Chapman is undersized to take regular snaps inside. Almost every guy currently repping at the DT position has some question attached to his 2015 performance.

5. Punting? I liked what I saw from our left footed punter last season in the short time he played (also coming off an injury). No issues here. Huh? We don't have a left-footed punter. Niswander took a couple of reps from Gradone, but didn't exactly stake claim to the job and handed it right back to Gradone before the season ended. Been hearing consistency is his issue -- he'll boom one 60 yards on one rep, then hit one about 30 the next, which is typical for most young punters. He'll be a great punter if he can get consistency, but that has yet to be seen.

6. Who will replace play making abilities of Campbell - the same guy who did last year in the Wisconsin game. Taking advantage of a historically awful QB situation and RIDICULOUSLY poor coaching decisions on the Badgers' part (seriously... Wisconsin's QBs were god awful at that point in the season and they decided to go pass-heavy for most of the fourth quarter? Huh?) without forcing any other turnovers the rest of the season. While Ariguza is also a notable loss, I don't see much downside to Henry assuming the position. Nobody has mentioned Henry taking any snaps at OLB this spring. Even if he did, that means putting out two inexperienced safeties, likely giving up some playmaking in the process.


Eight win season. Starting with an upset over Stanford in the opener. From your keyboard to God's ears. Stanford returns a lot more starters at key positions than we do, then we head on the road to face what should be a decent Duke team.

Again, I would love for everything to break for the positive and the likely outcome is probably somewhere between your responses and my playing of the Devil's Advocate. The greater point is that there are a lot of different directions that this season could take and we don't have much of a clue how it will play out at this point.
 
Five concrete reasons I am optimistic for 2015.


1. It's my nature.
2.The schedule is manageable.
3.Young talent trumps experience 90+ percent of the time. Oliver doesn't have the DNA. But Thorson and Alviti do.The number of players across the board capable of improving the team this year, after contributing little or nothing last year, is large. Some have injuries and others have youth to overcome. But collectively they are a physically gifted bunch compared to years past. You have to think more than a few will deliver. Plus, we have experience in spades where it matters most ... the defensive secondary.
4.The law of averages has to swing the other way regarding injuries.
5.Fitz and his staff are under intense pressure from within to get it done.

In short, the question marks are there to be sure, but so are multiple potential answers for improvement. Unlike previous seasons, there are across-the-board options for producing the improvement we all want to see. With a manageable schedule and a staff on the self-imposed hot seat, I'm going to remain confident we can get to 8 wins or more.

GOUNUII
 
I'm playing the Angel's Advocate to your Devil's Advocate, although much of my optimism is genuine.


Originally posted by Cat In The Cradle:
GCG answers in bolded text:
CIC's rebuttal in italics:


1. QB? We have a fifth year starter with a good arm and some experience who we saw turn the ball over five times in one half against a subpar Illinois defense in his only start[/B], a redshirt sophomore who has shined this springand threw a grand total of four passes for zero yards last year[/B], and a redshirt freshman who is supposed to be the Second Coming who has thrown a grand total of zero collegiate passes[/B]. Each stands a chance to earn the QB nod in his own right. Competition, pedigree, etc. Was there a QB question going into last season? Not really. There shouldn't be any this year either. In fact, the only question by what degree will the QB unit be better than last year.


We are positioned even better than Ohio State at QB after Braxton Miller's injury prior to the season, and that Program's untested QBs got them to the national championship. Re Oliver: Gotta like his second half against Illinois and earlier performances v. Northern Illinois and Purdue. Simply a minor case of the rattles that he hopefully got out of his system last season. Re Alviti: he only accomplished what the coaches asked of him, namely to have the QB position feature a different look - it worked out well for NIU against us - he ran for a crucial touchdown in the Notre Dame win and has done great things this spring. Re Thorson: it was a true luxury to red-shirt such a highly valued recruit for an entire year. See OSU's situation. That he now knows the x's and o's of the system completes the trifecta of what could be the brightest prospects for NU QBs since the 1960s and at least since the late oughts.

2. WR? Our best WR is returning from his second ACL tear with questions about his effectiveness upon his return[/B], our two super SBs - who should be included in any receiving corps evaluation - are coming back both of whom arguably underperformed last year[/B], new blood is emerging from recruiting who aren't even on campus yet[/B], and we still have speed specialists and tough over the middle guys with eligibility left we do?[/B]. Last year, you and others cited WR as one of our strengths. I was flat wrong. The unit looked much better on paper than they did on Saturdays.[/B] What's changed? Two straight years of underperformance, especially struggles with just consistently catching the ball.[/B] Sure, Jones graduated but we still have depth and high ceilings in this unit.

I think you and others were flat right last season, since your predictions occurred prior to C. Jones' injury. Yes, the man had an ACL tear but his strengths are in route precision and catching the ball and he's had a full year of rehab.

Miles Shuler has undeniable speed. Vault (assuming a WR transition), Youngblood-Ary, and Fuessel (assuming healthy) are not far behind him. The SBs are both excellent possession-type specialists and athletic enough to extend an otherwise short gain another 15 yards. I don't know whether either underperformed or just became lost in the playbook, but at least Vitale had a few eye popping games, including at Penn State.

Dropped balls - I don't know what happened here but this is probably the most easily correctly issue. This is epitomized by T. Jones' reliable clutch hands in 2013 taking time off a couple of times last seasons, particularly during the Notre Dame game. What changed? I think that he, and to a certain extent C. Dickerson, put way too much pressure on themselves to fill the hole left by C. Jones' injuries, and the dropped ball issues cascaded into a serious problem affecting the whole receiving corp. NU does not confront the same circumstances this year assuming everyone stays healthy.

And do not entirely discount the off-season distractions that Fitz cited as marring the overall team focus and concentration, including on catching the ball.




3. OL - There is only one direction this unit can go - that's up. It can't get any worse than the last two years. Nope. Sure it could. That's the fear. We lose a four-year starter at center and our starting LT. Those are two positions where inexperience can absolutely kill an OL.

Most everyone predicted the inexperience of the OL would be a problem heading into the 2013 season post-Outback Bowl graduation attrition. And it turned out to be worse. We had one of our top lineman at the time switch to the other side of the line, and the change didn't work out. But look for guys with experience like Park emerge into solid starters, as well as younger players like Hance step up from R&D. The past two years were a perfect storm of underperformance, injuries, and inexperience, and we head into this fall without confronting the same scale of these unfortunately circumstances.



4. DTs - we have so many big baddies coming off of injury that someone has to be healthy, and in the aggregate, we shouldn't concern ourselves with this unit. McEvilly has had chronic foot problems, which can be the end of a career for a big guy. Kuhar tore up his knee in November, making a full recovery by August highly unlikely. Robbins has to get much tougher against the run more consistently. Mahoney is now a guard. Lancaster has struggled with injuries the past two years. Oxley is coming off of shoulder surgery early in his career. Chapman is undersized to take regular snaps inside. Almost every guy currently repping at the DT position has some question attached to his 2015 performance

Mahoney's transition to the offensive line actually demonstrates team confidence in the improving health of the DTs, and could easily transfer back in event he's needed again there. Each of the names you cited have demonstrated capability in stepping up, displaying better depth than we've had in awhile, certainly since 2013.
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5. Punting? I liked what I saw from our left footed punter last season in the short time he played (also coming off an injury). No issues here. Huh? We don't have a left-footed punter. Niswander took a couple of reps from Gradone, but didn't exactly stake claim to the job and handed it right back to Gradone before the season ended. Been hearing consistency is his issue -- he'll boom one 60 yards on one rep, then hit one about 30 the next, which is typical for most young punters. He'll be a great punter if he can get consistency, but that has yet to be seen.

Sounds a lot like Todd Saurbrun and the Bears gave up a second round draft pick for him. Rare is the punter who enrolls at college with factory wrapped consistency. And the 30 yard shanks could be a lot worse. Look for more 60 yarders from this strong legged prodigy. I recall Niswander using his left foot to punt in response to a rush that would have blocked his punt from his normal kicking leg. When did you ever see another punter do that? It's got to be a first. With a quick thinking head like that on his shoulders, Niswander has the potential to go far in his career.
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6. Who will replace play making abilities of Campbell - the same guy who did last year in the Wisconsin game. Taking advantage of a historically awful QB situation andRIDICULOUSLY poor coaching decisions on the Badgers' part (seriously... Wisconsin's QBs were god awful at that point in the season and they decided to go pass-heavy for most of the fourth quarter? Huh?) without forcing any other turnovers the rest of the season. [/B]While Ariguza is also a notable loss, I don't see much downside to Henry assuming the position. Nobody has mentioned Henry taking any snaps at OLB this spring. Even if he did, that means putting out two inexperienced safeties, likely giving up some playmaking in the process.

On the other side of that coin, who would have expected an inexperienced safety to safeguard against the pass when defending against a beast of a RB who he had already hustled and outran to tackle on the second play of the game? A safety composed and experienced beyond his years, that's who.

Who knows who will replace Ariguza but the coaches have a good history getting our younger, backup linebackers ready for prime time. See Walker stepping up after Ellis' injury.



Eight win season. Starting with an upset over Stanford in the opener. From your keyboard to God's ears. Stanford returns a lot more starters at key positions than we do, then we head on the road to face what should be a decent Duke team.

It would be nice to win them both. I like that Stanford is traveling through a few time zones and geographical climes to play Northwestern at the start of a season (after comfortably camping in Palo Altos).

 
Wow, I wish I was as optimistic as some of you. It's way to early to predict a record, but I think 6-6 is the most likely result. Sure hope I am wrong and we get 8. Stanford will be favored, but we do have the advantage of playing at home and I like that it is the first game of the year. We catch a break with only 4 real road games. We'll be dogs in all 4. OTOH I think we will be favored in all of our home games except Stanford and PSU. Of course, injuries, unpredicted play can change all that. PSU will only have 1 or 2 losses after starting the season with a bunch of wins. Would be nice to take them down at 8-1. B1G home games are all winnable, but those teams typically have equivalent talent to us. Minnesota coming in here scares me, but we are due to handle them. Illinois will probably have more fans in Chicago that they would have in UC, but so will we. It may come down to this game another year. So win at home and spring an upset or two on the road.

Our defense should be decent and if some of the young guys develop it could be very good. To me, the key will be the OL. If they are middle, of the pack in the conference, we will have a good record. We have some talent at QB. But they will look miserable if they get no protection. Our RB's and SB's are good and there is depth. Our WR"s should be ok if they get a little time to get open. This could go either way. If we get 8, the belly aching should subside. If we get 6 or less the boards will be unbearable. They pay the other coaches too.
 
We've generally been a really good road team during the Fitz regime, even during the last two 5-7 years. Strangely, we've had more of a problem at home, especially in these last two seasons. That needs to get fixed!
 
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