Ohio State has a third string QB we would have start for us. Who else is good out there? I like the Indiana QB,Suelfeld and PSUs slinger who is a junior. Who else can sling the ball? Iowa's qb is no slouch. What say you?
How do the Northwestern QBs compare with the other QBs in the BT!
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Don't know who the third string QB you're referring to is. Braxton Miller is now a WR so the starter and back up are Barrett and Jones. If you're referring to Jones as the third string QB many would say he would be starting for 95% of the teams in the country. Personally, I think he's overrated but that's just me.
Connor Cook. I understand I'm decidedly in the minority on this - and I'm certainly no scout - but I just don't see what the fuss is over Christian Hackenburg.
I got into a HEATED debate about Hackenberg a few days ago. I think he stinks. Yes, he has the tools you can't really teach, like a cannon of an arm and perfect, A+ size for a QB. But even though his offensive line was brutal (and that's putting it nicely), and he had no receivers, he was terribly inaccurate, a hot head, and let pressure get to him. He does still have two years if he wants them, and could turn into a great collegiate player, but regardless of his tools, he's not all that impressive to me.
Connor Cook is going to be a very good pro. I would take 12 gauge over any QB in the country after watching his few games at the end of last year. He has the best arm I've ever seen, college or pro
Connor Cook is going to be a very good pro. I would take 12 gauge over any QB in the country after watching his few games at the end of last year. He has the best arm I've ever seen, college or pro
Without looking at data, Hackenberg had more picks than td's last year. To me, he's a Jake Locker, talent for days but very inconsistent. Looks incredible at times and very average at other times.
Athlon Ranks the qb's in the following order...
The list isn't that far off. Lunt is unproven and might be a stretch at 4. I would probably move him behind Rudock. Leidner is not a great qb, but does the job for MN. He's like a strong safety as QB (but better than when Wisconsin tried it).
1. Cardale Jones/Braxton Miller/J.T. Barrett, Ohio State
2. Connor Cook, Michigan State
3. Christian Hackenberg, Penn State
4. Wes Lunt, Illinois
5. Tommy Armstrong, Nebraska
6. Nate Sudfeld, Indiana
7. Jake Rudock, Michigan
8. Mitch Leidner, Minnesota
9. Joel Stave, Wisconsin
10. C.J. Beathard, Iowa
11. Caleb Rowe, Maryland
12. Zack Oliver/Matt Alviti/Clayton Thorson, Northwestern
13. Chris Laviano, Rutgers
14. Austin Appleby, Purdue
The list isn't that far off. Lunt is unproven and might be a stretch at 4. I would probably move him behind Rudock. Leidner is not a great qb, but does the job for MN. He's like a strong safety as QB (but better than when Wisconsin tried it).
1. Cardale Jones/Braxton Miller/J.T. Barrett, Ohio State
2. Connor Cook, Michigan State
3. Christian Hackenberg, Penn State
4. Wes Lunt, Illinois
5. Tommy Armstrong, Nebraska
6. Nate Sudfeld, Indiana
7. Jake Rudock, Michigan
8. Mitch Leidner, Minnesota
9. Joel Stave, Wisconsin
10. C.J. Beathard, Iowa
11. Caleb Rowe, Maryland
12. Zack Oliver/Matt Alviti/Clayton Thorson, Northwestern
13. Chris Laviano, Rutgers
14. Austin Appleby, Purdue
To be fair, wasn't he a true soph last year? That is sort of the position Alviti was last year and Thorson will be this year. That is still pretty young. And don't look now but Franklin is starting to recruit fairly well.
I don't disagree, but I'm not understanding the hype of him being a potential #1 pick next year. He is still young and unproven.
I am a bigger fan of Cook than Hackenberg.
As a Titans fan, I wish I could disagree with this assessment of Locker. But it is accurate. We have finally come to grips with the fact that he will never have the "breakout" game where everything comes together and stays together. He will have two or three games per year (between injuries) where he looks every bit the top line quarterback that he has the potential to be. But the next game he returns to form.
Pros often recruit based on potential. I think more people were surprised that TS was drafted at all than would be surprised if Hackenburg were a first rounder after his junior year. He will probably need to have a pretty good junior to get the draft status needed to come out early, though.
No, I did not. "Retired" seems an inappropriate description given his youth. It seemed that he was never going to get over the injury issues.
Living on a small island in the Pacific, there is a limit to the number of football teams that I can follow closely. I focus what little attention I have on the Cats.
"I am retiring from football after much reflection and discussion with my family," Locker said in a statement obtained by NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport. "I will always be grateful for having had the opportunity to realize my childhood dream of playing in the NFL and for the lifelong relationships I developed because of that experience.
"Football has always played a pivotal role in my life and I love the game, but I no longer have the burning desire necessary to play the game for a living; to continue to do so would be unfair to the next organization with whom I would eventually sign. I realize this decision is surprising to many, but I know in my heart that it is the right decision and I look forward to spending more time with my family and pursuing other interests."
I think retire sounds appropriate
Yes. But how many graduating/early enrollee B1G quarterbacks besides Trevor solicited draft interest for the draft? I don't know.
Apologies. I was not questioning your use of the word. I was just making a comment that it sounds odd to associate the word "retire" with someone so young that really has never established himself in the league. It is the word he chose to use.
Since his contract with the Titans was apparently up (he used the phrase "next team") my guess would that no one was talking with him about a starting position and that his future career would be as a back-up. I would agree that would be the correct role for him. It makes sense that he would look at a future as a back-up and say that it is not worth it.
All guesses.
I would be absolutely stunned if Wes Lunt is the 4th best QB statistically in the BIG when the season is over. Thinking 8th or 9th at best.
QBs (even HoFs like Brady and Manning) tend to look bad/inconsistent when they are heavily pressure and/or have no weapons to throw to; CC is a good QB, but he also had the benefit of protection behind a pretty good O-line, better targets to throw to and a much better running attack to rely upon.
Exactly.
Have Cook and Hack switch places and things would have been diff.
As for the dOSU QBs - while CJ has a cannon which allows for stretching the field (and utilizing the weapons dOSU has at WR/TE) and opens things even further (from what the dOSU O-line does) for EE - who not only has big holes to run thru, but can on certain plays can run 15-20 yds before he gets to a secondary defender, Barrett has been getting all kinds of kudos from the receivers at the Elite 11 camp.
From an ESPN article on Hack...
On the one hand, stats, in the eyes of most scouts, have become so inflated that they're now almost meaningless. There are too many moving parts on a football field, too many outcomes dependent on others, to make judgments based on one player's numbers. Instead, NFL front office types look at tape of Hackenberg and see, potentially, the next Andrew Luck. Maybe even the next Tom Brady. Give him enough protection to set up in the pocket and he has the acuity to quickly assess defenses, to look off safeties and corners with a glance. Give him receivers who create separation and he has the arm to uncork NFL-level spirals into windows so tight that most college quarterbacks wouldn't even consider the risk. Not to mention he is built like a lumberjack, possesses an analytical mind captivated by nuance and shows the determination to do the mundane film work necessary to maximize his abilities.
"I think he is easily a top-five pick," an NFL scout says.
On the other hand, in this era of constant comparison of next-level metrics, stats still matter -- especially if they are as bad as Hackenberg's last fall.
To his many critics, including a small but vocal contingent of Penn State die-hards, his projection as a top-five pick is one of the more baffling proclamations about a player in recent memory. Hackenberg's completion percentage (55.8 percent, 88th in the country in 2014) is used to question his accuracy, his touchdown-to-interception ratio (12-15) as proof that he forces throws into coverage. In 13 games, he was sacked 44 times, and while no one pins that solely on him, it points to heavy cleats and renders him a relic among the fleet-footed passers permeating the college game. Jeff Risdon, an analyst for RealGM.com, tweeted after PSU's loss at Michigan that Hackenberg was "undraftable" and the "worst quarterback I saw all year." The website Pro Football Focus graded him as one of the least accurate QBs in the country, even when he wasn't facing pressure (No. 74 out of 86 qualifying FBS QBs).
- So not only a horrible O-line and inexperienced receivers, but a new system...
But the hard hits would only get harder. O'Brien left in January after Hackenberg's freshman season. Penn State lost four offensive linemen (three would go on to the NFL), and tight end Adam Breneman, the second-best PSU recruit behind Hackenberg, would miss all of 2014 with a knee injury. The hardest shot of them all for Hackenberg, though, was adjusting to new coach James Franklin's approach, which emphasized shotgun sets and timing routes. Rather than build on his impressive freshman season, Hackenberg appeared hesitant in the pocket, often scrambling to allow his young, inexperienced targets more time to get open. Three of his four receivers -- including his best one, DaeSean Hamilton -- were freshmen, and routes were often freelanced, their combinations a mess. Eventually, injuries decimated a shallow offensive line, and Hackenberg rarely had more than three seconds to throw. In one eight-game stretch, he tossed three touchdowns to 10 interceptions. It got so ugly, with rumors swirling that Hackenberg might transfer, that one Pennsylvania radio station even debated whether Franklin should bench him.
http://espn.go.com/college-football...-hackenberg-determined-deliver-nfl-draft-hype
The most relevant stat for a QB is wins. Leidner and Stave are far too low on this list. I would put them ahead of everybody but the OSU group and Cook. Hackenberg and Lunt are completely overrated. Thorson will be near the top of this list by the time the season is over.
Based on what exactly? Hard to put too much faith in a guy who had a case of the "yips" last year, then finished with a 53% completion percentage and more INTs than TDs.
I've never seen a situation where "unless you've been living [under a rock, in a cave, among an Aboriginal tribe, with rhinos, on a small island in the Pacific]" applied. This was brilliant.
I watched Connor Cook's first start, a Friday night west coast game. He was a disaster. I forget the opponent. It's amazing to see him be great, but he's spectacular.
Mark D. is a great coach, though. He's confident and trusts his guys and they play above their recruiting rankings. Perfect coach at MSU, and I think he'll make Harbaugh his bitch.
I like Leidner a lot, for what it's worth.
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yep he had great oline and great rb. even if you don't have great wr with that running game you should be able to pick the defense apart with play action
I think I actually have to see our QBs PLAY first before I can compare them to others in the conference. The sample size is small with Oliver and Alviti and nonexistent with Thorson.
Yips was invented, what happened was, he beat out McEvoy and Gary Anderson named McEvoy starter anyway and kid took it the wrong way, felt it was an Injustice, which it was, was angry and upset and started making some bad throws in practice which Ludwig named the yips.
Ended up coming in against NU after getting almost no snaps in practice as third stringer and almost won the game.
In general, all he does is win, he's very smart and calls a great game, makes the right check offs and reads , handles the ball and beat Nebby, Iowa , Minn and Auburn thereafter, this with an average TE and two Caucasian WRs, neither of whom can break the 4.6's , gain much separation or have an acceptable catch radius.
He'll probably end up with the most wins of any Badger QB ever.
He's better than people think and Chryst has him throwing it earlier, which was an issue.
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So now you're telling me that UW should trust a kid who spitefully tanked? Even though I'm not convinced that's what happened, that's probably more detrimental than going through a difficult stretch.
Stave has won because of a ridiculous string of running backs and stellar OL play. He's never really been asked to win games and it will be quite interesting to see how he plays in a new scheme with a more questionable OL (at least by Badger standards).
PS -- it's both weird and inappropriate to play the "Caucasian WR" card, but you're also not going to find a sympathetic audience around here. We've had a highly successful string of Caucasian WRs and skin color had nothing to do with it.
Yeah, I mean you got Jordy Nelson, Erik Decker, Brandon Stokley, and Wes Welker. Then you throw in the great HOF Fred Biletnikoff and Steve Largent. White people can be anything they want to be even Wide Receivers.
Well almost anything.... you can't be a "Caucasian Cornerback." I'd like to say skin color has nothing to do with it, but I really can't find a single example besides Jason Sehorn. I view that as the exception that proves the rule.
Thanks for posting that. I was at the game, but due to a bathroom emergency, I missed it.
Did you make a completion and score on your "bathroom emergency"?
They don't call you Streamcat for nothing. That must have been a lot of beer.
You crazy. Cook is better than every Ohio State joker not named JT Barrett. Cook will be a better pro, but Barrett is an amazing college QB.
I'd put Sudfeld above Armstrong, too.
Gee, I wonder how many wins Stanford's Hogan has under his belt?
The 3 best things for a QB are (1) stout O-line, (2) stud RB to go w/ said stout O-line and (3) a couple of weapons to throw to.
A good QB should be able to manage w/o one of those 3 and a very good Q maybe 2 of those 3, but asking too much for a QB to do w/o all 3.
That being said, agree that Leidner and esp. Stave are too low and Lunt and Armstrong too high.
Also, don't know why one would place Rudock ahead of Beathard.
Remember, Heisman candidate JT Barrett looked like crap in the VT loss - 9 of 29 (31%) for 219 yds and 3 INTs.
And that had everything to do w/ VT's D-line putting a lot of pressure on Barrett due to their odd-ball scheme which confused the dOSU O-line (which also limited dSOU's run game).
The return of Chryst has been good for Stave - didn't have much run support but did well enough considering against 'Bama's D.
Alex Erickson had a pretty good season for the Badgers last year and he managed to find some holes in the 'Bama pass D.
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Anybody who has Rudock above Beathard has no idea what they are talking about. He left Iowa with his tail between his legs because he lost his starting job to Beathard, and even Rudock knew he stood no chance of getting it back barring injury.
I know this was from August so I'll cut them some slack, but most Iowa fans realized Beathard was better after the Pitt game last year.
