How many more wins to get to NIT?
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They HAVE done away with the rule, though I don't know if they've ever utilized the ability to get away with it.
I can't imagine they'd take us with an under .500 record.
Our RPI will be lower than everyone else's ANYWAY, but the reason to take us would be common sense and end of the year record. If we were under .500 at end of season, that would mean 3 more losses, which would negate the "hot finish" theory.
I can't imagine they'd take us with an under .500 record.
Our RPI will be lower than everyone else's ANYWAY, but the reason to take us would be common sense and end of the year record. If we were under .500 at end of season, that would mean 3 more losses, which would negate the "hot finish" theory.
As far as the NIT goes the number of spots comes down to how many regular season 1 bid conference champions win or do not win their conference tournament. Those schools are guaranteed a spot in the NIT if they do not get the NCAA bid. there are approximately 18 such leagues in D-1 that are one bid leagues so the more the regular season champs win the conference tournament the more bids for the NIT. all in all if NU does not have a plus .500 record there is no shot. I think 18 or 19 wins gives them a chance at minimum.
Getting into the NIT isn't as easy as some are suggesting
"As far as the NIT goes the number of spots comes down to
how many regular season 1 bid conference champions win or do not win
their conference tournament. Those schools are guaranteed a spot in the
NIT if they do not get the NCAA bid. there are approximately 18 such
leagues in D-1 that are one bid leagues so the more the regular season
champs win the conference tournament the more bids for the NIT. all in
all if NU does not have a plus .500 record there is no shot. I think 18
or 19 wins gives them a chance at minimum."
+1.
As I've mentioned a few times over the past few weeks, every year since the contraction in 2008, the NIT has at least taken one team from a power conference that was 3 games over .500. Here's an expansion of what I posted regarding this another thread.
2014 NIT - Georgetown 17-14, West Virginia 17-15
2013 NIT - Providence 17-14, Washington 18-15, St. Johns 16-15
2012 NIT - Iowa 17-16
2011 NIT - California 17-14
2010 NIT- Cincinnati 18-15 Texas Tech 17-15, St. John's 17-15, Connecticut 17-15, North Carolina 16-16
2009 NIT - Washington State 17-15, Georgetown 16-14
2008 NIT - California 16-15, Oklahoma State 17-15, Southern Illinois 17-14
Somethings to consider:
The NIT has only taken one .500 overall team - North Carolina
The NIT has only taken three .+1 over .500 teams - St Johns, Iowa, California
'Cats had a real time rpi of 121 (pre IU), with 3 wins over wins over the top 100 (Indiana -30 Iowa -55 Minnesota -96)
The 'Cats have not beaten a top 25 squad
The 'Cats have not beaten a top 100 non conference opponent
Here are 15 schools with RPIs between 62 and 91 that are in better shape for an NIT bid (RPI - SOS) - there are more out there. Some of the overall records are quite surprising. I tried to include as few NCAA bubble teams as possible.
Northwestern: RPI 121 SOS 54)
Green Bay 19-7 (62 - 138)
Toledo 18-9 (63 - 99)
Rhode Island 18-6 (65 - 146)
Miami 17-10 (69 - 66)
Seton Hall 15-12 (74 - 53)
Michigan 13-13 (77 - 110
Richmond 15-12 (76 - 44)
Alabama 16-11 (79 -61)
Memphis 17-10 (80 - 81)
Connecticut 15-11 (82 -70)
Tennessee 14-12 (83 - 39)
Clemson 15-12 (85 - 48)
Arizona State (87 - 43)
Florida 13-15 (89 - 17)
Kansas State 14-15 (91 - 18)
While I remain hopeful, there is MUCH work to be done. Winning 2-3 more games isn't going to make the 'Cats a lock. If there is a blood bath in the mid major conference tournaments, it just gets harder.
My guess would be 5 additional wins (3 in regular season plus 2 in the BTT or vice versa) with 4 being the bare minimum. 5 more gets NU to 18-15 or 19-16. Collins and Co. would still be riding the hotstreak and signifcantly improved their RPI while landing some top 100 wins along the way.
This post was edited on 2/26 12:05 PM by ColumbusCatFan1
"As far as the NIT goes the number of spots comes down to
how many regular season 1 bid conference champions win or do not win
their conference tournament. Those schools are guaranteed a spot in the
NIT if they do not get the NCAA bid. there are approximately 18 such
leagues in D-1 that are one bid leagues so the more the regular season
champs win the conference tournament the more bids for the NIT. all in
all if NU does not have a plus .500 record there is no shot. I think 18
or 19 wins gives them a chance at minimum."
+1.
As I've mentioned a few times over the past few weeks, every year since the contraction in 2008, the NIT has at least taken one team from a power conference that was 3 games over .500. Here's an expansion of what I posted regarding this another thread.
2014 NIT - Georgetown 17-14, West Virginia 17-15
2013 NIT - Providence 17-14, Washington 18-15, St. Johns 16-15
2012 NIT - Iowa 17-16
2011 NIT - California 17-14
2010 NIT- Cincinnati 18-15 Texas Tech 17-15, St. John's 17-15, Connecticut 17-15, North Carolina 16-16
2009 NIT - Washington State 17-15, Georgetown 16-14
2008 NIT - California 16-15, Oklahoma State 17-15, Southern Illinois 17-14
Somethings to consider:
The NIT has only taken one .500 overall team - North Carolina
The NIT has only taken three .+1 over .500 teams - St Johns, Iowa, California
'Cats had a real time rpi of 121 (pre IU), with 3 wins over wins over the top 100 (Indiana -30 Iowa -55 Minnesota -96)
The 'Cats have not beaten a top 25 squad
The 'Cats have not beaten a top 100 non conference opponent
Here are 15 schools with RPIs between 62 and 91 that are in better shape for an NIT bid (RPI - SOS) - there are more out there. Some of the overall records are quite surprising. I tried to include as few NCAA bubble teams as possible.
Northwestern: RPI 121 SOS 54)
Green Bay 19-7 (62 - 138)
Toledo 18-9 (63 - 99)
Rhode Island 18-6 (65 - 146)
Miami 17-10 (69 - 66)
Seton Hall 15-12 (74 - 53)
Michigan 13-13 (77 - 110
Richmond 15-12 (76 - 44)
Alabama 16-11 (79 -61)
Memphis 17-10 (80 - 81)
Connecticut 15-11 (82 -70)
Tennessee 14-12 (83 - 39)
Clemson 15-12 (85 - 48)
Arizona State (87 - 43)
Florida 13-15 (89 - 17)
Kansas State 14-15 (91 - 18)
While I remain hopeful, there is MUCH work to be done. Winning 2-3 more games isn't going to make the 'Cats a lock. If there is a blood bath in the mid major conference tournaments, it just gets harder.
My guess would be 5 additional wins (3 in regular season plus 2 in the BTT or vice versa) with 4 being the bare minimum. 5 more gets NU to 18-15 or 19-16. Collins and Co. would still be riding the hotstreak and signifcantly improved their RPI while landing some top 100 wins along the way.
This post was edited on 2/26 12:05 PM by ColumbusCatFan1
Great Post!
Thanks for pulling together the list of NIT contenders. I didn't realize the other Wildcats (KSU) were actually under 0.500, watching the KU game made me think they were a bubble team. Most of the teams on the list have a better "eyeball test" than NU even during the recent 4 game streak.
Thanks for pulling together the list of NIT contenders. I didn't realize the other Wildcats (KSU) were actually under 0.500, watching the KU game made me think they were a bubble team. Most of the teams on the list have a better "eyeball test" than NU even during the recent 4 game streak.
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