I assume there is more to it but Fran had his team walk off without shaking hands after NDSU, down by 11, put in a little layup at the buzzer while Iowa was conceding. Not sure I get it.
Iowa walks off without shaking hands
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Meh, I don't blame him really. ND player literally ripped the ball from Iowa guard's hands as time was about to expire. It wasn't a scrum; ball was completely in Iowa's possession and just were gonna run out the last few seconds.
I think I'm in the minority of NU fans who really likes Fran. He's a bit over the top which I appreciate. But I also like Iowa bball (not football) having idolized guys like Kevin Boyle and Ronnie Lester in my youth.
The proper response to the overly enthusiastic NDSU player would have been a few words in the handshake line. "Son, that sort of effort is great when the outcome is in doubt, but at the end of the game it just makes you look like a dick."
I see that Fran apologized to the head coach so all is well west of the Mississippi.
The proper response to the overly enthusiastic NDSU player would have been a few words in the handshake line. "Son, that sort of effort is great when the outcome is in doubt, but at the end of the game it just makes you look like a dick."
I see that Fran apologized to the head coach so all is well west of the Mississippi.
Another example by Franny that he lacks the temperament to lead a group of 18-21 years old. Maybe when NU beats Iowa he will walk off the court in a similar fashion like Isiah Thomas did with the Pistons when the Bulls swept his team in the playoffs. Can't wait until 2/15.
There had to be more to it then just that play at the end. It was a little annoying for that kid to steal the ball, but not really that big of a deal and no reason to spurn the entire coaching staff and team. By the way, if you go back and watch our game last night, the same thing almost happened. Charlie Hall grabbed the rebound on IUPUIs last shot and then just held it while the last few seconds ran off. An IUPUI player tried to grab it out of his hands, but failed. We still shook their hands though.
I thought I heard there was something about a minute or so earlier that really led up to it
A few minutes earlier than the play described above, one of the North Dakota players wrapped his arm around Bohannon from Iowa on an inbounds play. When the ND player refused to let go, Bohannon pushed him away and the ND player flopped like he'd taken a bullet. This bush league play resulted in a foul on Bohannon.
There was also an unnecessarily hard foul on Jok when the game was already decided.
Anyone acting like this was the result of one play just has an ax to grind.
There was also an unnecessarily hard foul on Jok when the game was already decided.
Anyone acting like this was the result of one play just has an ax to grind.
Bohannon's push is definitely a foul and probably should have been a T. Io-a and Fran acted like jerks.
"Probably should have been a T," huh? Pretty obvious you have no clue what you're talking about.
Anyone know the Vegas line on the game?
Here's something crazy. Yahoo says it was Iowa -11. So that layup actually would have moved some money.
Now if this guy has a relative or roommate into sports gambling, this is kind of a big deal all of a sudden.
The philosophical flip side of this is that shaking hands can't be "gracious/good sportsmanship" if everyone does it every game no matter what.
There needs to be a point of relativity for it to be sportsmanlike conduct, otherwise the act is a charade of nothing.
I kind of like it. Dont shake hands if you don't mean it. I value authenticity. Perhaps he could have handled it better, but so could NDSU.
The ND player had his arm wrapped around the Iowa kid in the stack on the in-bounds play. Is that legal? No. Should it have been a foul called or at least broken up by the ref? Yes. Does it happen on almost every single stack play on an in-bounds in basketball? Yes. Did the Iowa player over-react by shoving him? Yes. Did the NDSU player flop a bit? Yes. All these things happen all the time in college basketball. So, you don't shake hands over that? Please. Even the Elon kid shook Grayson Allen's hand after he tripped him. Fran looked poor here. He came across as very childish. And the coach of the other team was a former Iowa assistant even. Pretty crummy.
Quotes from UND fans on their board after the game:
"This program is so embarrassing at times. My gawd. How many times has Jones or his team had an issue at the end of the game with their opponent? There are variables and constants leading to these end of the game shenanigans. Jones and his team are the constants."
"Late game and post game ugly theatrics are becoming too common this year. At some point the UND team needs to look at itself and say 'maybe it's me.' Fights at end of ndsu game, Iowa refusing to shake hands, sdsu and usd refusing to schedule us. It may end up being more than our record pushing Jones out."
"But these late game issues are becoming too common against us to not consider assigning any blame to our team."
"There's one common theme at the end of the game antics: always involves us."
"This program is so embarrassing at times. My gawd. How many times has Jones or his team had an issue at the end of the game with their opponent? There are variables and constants leading to these end of the game shenanigans. Jones and his team are the constants."
"Late game and post game ugly theatrics are becoming too common this year. At some point the UND team needs to look at itself and say 'maybe it's me.' Fights at end of ndsu game, Iowa refusing to shake hands, sdsu and usd refusing to schedule us. It may end up being more than our record pushing Jones out."
"But these late game issues are becoming too common against us to not consider assigning any blame to our team."
"There's one common theme at the end of the game antics: always involves us."
Still want to blame Fran when the NDS board is embarrassed that this happens all the time
Absolutely. He acted like a little brat throwing a tantrum. Also you push someone to the floor is a T.
Poor Io-a. Pushing someone to the floor is not a foul, if it's a ha-keye. And of course believe everything that's posted on the internet.
History suggests that Fran has a short fuse. He was clearly in no state of mind to congratulate the other team and coaches on a game well played. He likely projected those same feelings on other players/coaches on the floor and truly believed in the moment that the handshake could be a volatile situation. Whether or not it was a volatile situation or if it was right to push the whole team to leave the floor is up for debate. Still, I can somewhat appreciate that--in that adrenaline filled moment--Fran thought he was making a point, doing what was best for his team and perhaps, most importantly, getting his own furious self away from a potentially explosive situation.
All reports point to the fact that Fran is genuinely and generally a good person...I just think he's also completely petulant and outright annoying as a coach. He's my favorite hothead to needle.
Yeah, I don't dispute that there have been situations McCaffery could have handled better, including this one.
if he wanted to make a spectacle of himself, he certainly accomplished that. If it was a teaching moment for his "student athletes", he gets an F. He also certainly has an odd way of getting himself away from explosive situation. That's by running on the floor. screaming and ranting, while his assistants attempt to hold him back.
I hear you. And you are right. But, in the end, no punches were thrown. However unlikely, with tempers that high, it could have gone another way.
Maybe I'm bringing too much of my own history and perspective to it, but I was once sucker punched in a handshake line after a soccer game. It can happen.
Fran did make an ass of himself, and fans/media have jumped on it...as they should. I didn't say I respected him for it...but that I can "somewhat appreciate" his decision "in that adrenaline filled moment" recognizing that he was "furious" and someone with a "short fuse."
I think it was more the right decision for Fran than for the team and other coaches. Like I said, that part is "up for debate." (But there is no winning that debate as it is all speculative.)
I agree totally with your assessment but still think the conference or the university should address his actions. It looked to be an explosive situation, where someone could have been hurt and he certainly didn't help matters.
It's hilarious that in a thread about maintaining one's compusure, you've become so apoplectic you're conflating events that happened years apart.
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