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Jordan Ash

Heard over the weekend that Ash is killing it this off season like Scottie did last year.

Ash was pissed -- really pissed -- about his playing time last year and is trying to do something about it.
Isn't the competition going to be even greater this Year?
 
Great news. Competitive depth betters everyone. And a lunch pail attitude is the best kind of show-don't-tell leadership.
 
Gaines is a PG?
Look at it this way. BMac and Scottie averaged 64 of 80 minutes per game. Isiah got 15 minutes and Jordan just 4. Someone has to give Bryant a rest, and it doesn't matter if he is a PG or a SG, if that guy is the best option he'll play. Last season Isiah, a 2 Guard, got the minutes. If Gaines comes in and blows the staff away I could see him getting minutes. Or if Jordan steps up he'll get minutes. Doesn't matter who is a PG and who is a SG when it comes to back-up minutes.
 
I'd love to see him impersonate Avery Bradley the way Tre once impersonated Ben Gordon. Tough defense and timely shooting.
 
Look at it this way. BMac and Scottie averaged 64 of 80 minutes per game. Isiah got 15 minutes and Jordan just 4. Someone has to give Bryant a rest, and it doesn't matter if he is a PG or a SG, if that guy is the best option he'll play. Last season Isiah, a 2 Guard, got the minutes. If Gaines comes in and blows the staff away I could see him getting minutes. Or if Jordan steps up he'll get minutes. Doesn't matter who is a PG and who is a SG when it comes to back-up minutes.
Ash is going to need to become a scoring threat to get any sort of meaningful minutes. CCC isn't going too play 4 on 5 at that end of the floor.

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Don't agree about the scoring option point. Lumpkin wasn't much of a scoring option, and all of our forwards for next year are (to a point) better scoring options. If you can't use a defensive stud (potentially) as a back-up point guard for 10 minutes, you have a problem. Of course, he can score some already.
 
I agree that you can play four-on-five on offense for a few minutes a game if that fifth guy is a solid defender. As he's scored only 17 baskets in two seasons, I disagree that we know he can score.

That said, I like the rumor, and I will choose to be optimistic as Ash enters his junior season.
 
Ash is going to need to become a scoring threat to get any sort of meaningful minutes. CCC isn't going too play 4 on 5 at that end of the floor.

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I'd argue that NU played 4 on 5 for 28.0 minutes per game last season when Lumpkin was in the game. He made some big shots at times, but was not reliable offensively. He was generally left open so that other players could be doubled. I think Ash has the potential to develop an offensive game equal to or better than Sanjay. Don't take this as a slight on Sanjay... he was a big part of the team's success. Why wouldn't Ash see that as an opportunity for himself to make a similar impact with D, effort, and being a glue guy? Love to hear that he's putting in the effort!
 
Heard over the weekend that Ash is killing it this off season like Scottie did last year.

Ash was pissed -- really pissed -- about his playing time last year and is trying to do something about it.
I heard that as well but Skelly is putting in overtime. I was impressed with the maturity of Skelly last year but im told the guy is an absolute beast now.
 
I heard that as well but Skelly is putting in overtime. I was impressed with the maturity of Skelly last year but im told the guy is an absolute beast now.

Skelly's biggest obstacle has never been his physical tools or skill set. It's been his mental consistency. The peaks and valleys of his game need to be smoothed out. He'll be a heck of a contributor in 2017 if he can make consistently good decisions on the court. As for the Ash comments, he'll get the minutes he's looking for if he can score. He'll get far fewer minutes as a situational defense/glue guy. Big difference between the need for that last year at forward and what CCC wants out of his guards...with the Brown and Gaines options... this year. It will be tough. Great for JORDAN and the team if he becomes the first guard off the bench.

Encouraging news that the team appears to be working very hard in the off season. Not surprised. Validating their success by taking the next step up will be a bigger challenge than they faced last year.

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Encouraging news that the team appears to be working very hard in the off season. Not surprised. Validating their success by taking the next step up will be a bigger challenge than they faced last year.

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Um, no. Breaking the legacy of the program's futility over generations was a much tougher challenge. This year, they won't be reminded in every post-game interview about it.

Having said that, in the grand scheme of things, the team still has much to prove. I am sure losing to the eventual runner-up in the tournament will keep them focused and motivated to improve every aspect of their game.
 
Um, no. Breaking the legacy of the program's futility over generations was a much tougher challenge. This year, they won't be reminded in every post-game interview about it.

Having said that, in the grand scheme of things, the team still has much to prove. I am sure losing to the eventual runner-up in the tournament will keep them focused and motivated to improve every aspect of their game.
Every season is different. NU can contend for the Big 10 title this year. They clearly aren't the favorites (MSU is) but once the tournament starts who knows. So with the distraction of never having made the NCAA Tournament out of the way these kids can focus on achieving their potential, which is quite high IMHO.
 
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Um, no. Breaking the legacy of the program's futility over generations was a much tougher challenge. This year, they won't be reminded in every post-game interview about it.

Having said that, in the grand scheme of things, the team still has much to prove. I am sure losing to the eventual runner-up in the tournament will keep them focused and motivated to improve every aspect of their game.

Don't know you NUCats. Have you ever been a part of playing and/or coaching at a highly competitive level? Ever been involved in a business start up? Last year was indeed a tremendous challenge for a number of reasons, including the injuries they overcame. But handling that success well, and successfully building on it, are new and much different challenges. As is validating that success by kicking it up a notch. These kids were wired from day one for last year's challenge. Now they need to get re-wired for a much different mission. The media scrutiny will continue. The potential fear of regression as palpable at times as the fear of falling short again last year.

Whether its college hoops or your own start up business, sustaining your success is always more difficult than getting there initially. It may take them a while to adjust to the new challenges being added to many of the same they had last year.

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Don't know you NUCats. Have you ever been a part of playing and/or coaching at a highly competitive level? Ever been involved in a business start up? Last year was indeed a tremendous challenge for a number of reasons, including the injuries they overcame. But handling that success well, and successfully building on it, are new and much different challenges. As is validating that success by kicking it up a notch. These kids were wired from day one for last year's challenge. Now they need to get re-wired for a much different mission. The media scrutiny will continue. The potential fear of regression as palpable at times as the fear of falling short again last year.

Whether its college hoops or your own start up business, sustaining your success is always more difficult than getting there initially. It may take them a while to adjust to the new challenges being added to many of the same they had last year.

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Correct on all counts in my view.
 
When you have experienced seniors and juniors, sustaining a winning culture is a lot easier. Replacing players with more talented players also helps. When you replace players who had limited skill sets with returning four-star players like Falzon and Ivaunaskas who looked to be 6'9"-6'10" by the end of the season, you might actual improve production. Many people thought that without Demps and Olah that last season would not be a success. Oh, were they wrong! Also, when you bring in a slashing or penetrating SG (Anthony Gaines) when that was missing from last season's team that will help also. As for improvements of the complementary players like Ash that is a good sign. But talent usually wins out and the more talented players will play more minutes. For example, NU was in a battle with Minnesota in Evanston last season and the defense laid off Skelly who bricked a couple of threes and went 0 for 6 from threes and NU lost. Against UofI in Evanston, the game was tied with 3-4 minutes left when all we needed was to make a play and a basket and we could not do it. My guess and hope is that Lindsey does not get mono in the heart of the Big 10 season and Falzon will not be 0 for 6 from threes based on his natural shooting ability. So yes, every season will bring challenges, but if your talent levels improve year by year, the chances of sustained success are higher and higher.
 
When you have experienced seniors and juniors, sustaining a winning culture is a lot easier. Replacing players with more talented players also helps. When you replace players who had limited skill sets with returning four-star players like Falzon and Ivaunaskas who looked to be 6'9"-6'10" by the end of the season, you might actual improve production. Many people thought that without Demps and Olah that last season would not be a success. Oh, were they wrong! Also, when you bring in a slashing or penetrating SG (Anthony Gaines) when that was missing from last season's team that will help also. As for improvements of the complementary players like Ash that is a good sign. But talent usually wins out and the more talented players will play more minutes. For example, NU was in a battle with Minnesota in Evanston last season and the defense laid off Skelly who bricked a couple of threes and went 0 for 6 from threes and NU lost. Against UofI in Evanston, the game was tied with 3-4 minutes left when all we needed was to make a play and a basket and we could not do it. My guess and hope is that Lindsey does not get mono in the heart of the Big 10 season and Falzon will not be 0 for 6 from threes based on his natural shooting ability. So yes, every season will bring challenges, but if your talent levels improve year by year, the chances of sustained success are higher and higher.

Talent beats all. That's for sure.

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Decent # of players who raised their level of play after their 2nd season in purple - Lindsey, Hearn, Nash, etc.


Many people thought that without Demps and Olah that last season would not be a success. Oh, were they wrong!

Who were the many?
 
Decent # of players who raised their level of play after their 2nd season in purple - Lindsey, Hearn, Nash, etc.




Who were the many?

For Ash to have a Nash like transformation on offense would be awesome. Kid has everything else going for him.

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Look at it this way. BMac and Scottie averaged 64 of 80 minutes per game. Isiah got 15 minutes and Jordan just 4. Someone has to give Bryant a rest, and it doesn't matter if he is a PG or a SG, if that guy is the best option he'll play. Last season Isiah, a 2 Guard, got the minutes. If Gaines comes in and blows the staff away I could see him getting minutes. Or if Jordan steps up he'll get minutes. Doesn't matter who is a PG and who is a SG when it comes to back-up minutes.

Interesting way of looking at the situation. If healthy, BMac, Lindsey and Law should all average around 33 minutes per game.

At guard, as you said, that leaves only 15 mpg to be earned among Brown, Gaines and Ash. That's tough.

At forward, that leaves 47 mpg (including one starting spot) to be earned among Ivanauskas, Falzon and Skelly. Right now, my best guess is that those three guys will wind up splitting the minutes pretty evenly over the course of the season--with certain games providing more playing time for one guy or another, depending on the matchups and who has been playing well recently.

At center, you obviously expect that Pardon and Benson will play 90+% of the minutes--with Skelly perhaps getting a little time there when the matchup is favorable.
 
Interesting way of looking at the situation. If healthy, BMac, Lindsey and Law should all average around 33 minutes per game.

At guard, as you said, that leaves only 15 mpg to be earned among Brown, Gaines and Ash. That's tough.

Not a bad problem to have. Maybe one or two of those guys will steal a few more minutes from the A-team.
 
Decent # of players who raised their level of play after their 2nd season in purple - Lindsey, Hearn, Nash, etc.




Who were the many?

Those conversations shriveled up as Demp's and Olah's senior seasons didn't shine as brightly as hoped while the team still made progress. It was mostly hand wringing prior to their senior campaign as I remember.
 
https://www.insidenu.com/2016/11/11...16-2017-chris-collins-bryant-mcintosh-vic-law

Here are a number of predictions for NU last season. Most had NU worse than last year in part due to the absence of their senior captions Tre Demps and Alex Olah. Most of the pundits did not have NU making the NIT and no one had them making the NCAA tourney.
The funny thing is Tre and Alex didn't really excel their Sr Year and JVZ got hurt so we shouldn't have expected such a big drop off.
 
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