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I'm definitely a bit late here, but hadn't checked in since our weekend out in Salt Lake. From a quick glance everyone seems a bit weirdly antagonistic, so how about a few happy notes (sorry this is probably going to end up being long)...

1) The NU fan following out in Salt Lake was incredible. There was purple everywhere throughout the weekend. On Thursday we probably outnumbered Gonzaga fans 1.5 to 1, and Vandy >10 to 1. All the other friends were very nice though (including Vandy), and eager to talk about basketball. In particular had multiple good conversations with many Gonzaga folks and a couple St Mary's folks. It's a great overall experience. Plus, on Saturday, our numbers increased by about another 30% I think from people that couldn't get out of work for the first round. I know our group went from 10 to 16, and spoke with others who made it for the second round.
2) Great job by the NAA or NU Marketing or whoever in organizing the pep rallies. Those were excellent events, and the venue with the huge open skylight ceilings and open air feel was perfect for the great SLC weather.
3) Speaking of which, lots of weird drinking rules in SLC, but overall a pretty solid town. The downtown area is at once tightly packed, yet still spread out bc the space between buildings and length of each block is so large. Interesting feel. Found good food and good places to drink though. Gracie's in particular was awesome, postgame Thurs and pregame Sat. Also snuck off to the mountains to do some spring skiing on Fri which was nice.
4) Vanderbilt- we completely dominated most of that game, but MFD getting en fuego coupled with a bit of hesitancy on our part and questionable reffing made it a game. Scottie helped us get off to the lead in the first half, but BMac stepped up big time down the stretch. Huge credit to him for securing the win.
4a.) Also, random side note I found it comical watching Kornet try to post up Pardon - he had 4 (or more?) inches on him yet whenever he tried to post him up he couldn't move Dererk an inch and I think was 0 for 4 on post up possessions. It's interesting to see that, even though DP had trouble at times with the dominant post up guys in the B1G, he's still a very good low post defender compared to the country at large.


Now for Gonzaga - man what a game.
- First, NWG and Zach Collins are very very good players. I think both should get a shot as role players in the NBA. Adding on this, I think Gonzaga is the most balanced all-around team in the country right now. They have plenty of scoring options and depth both outside (NWG, Melson, Perkins, etc) and inside (Collins, Karnowski, J Williams, and even 33 hurt us some). They can go 10 deep if they need to. While UNC, Kentucky, UCLA, Arizona, Duke certainly have more top-end talent than the Zags, I'm not sure any of them play as a team as well as they do. Kansas and Nova play well as a team on both ends of the floor, but both are more guard / backcourt heavy and don't have the depth inside, which came back to hurt them against Oregon and Wisconsin. Oregon may have had an argument for this, but the loss of Boucher makes them vulnerable inside (will be interesting next vs UNC).

- Second, clearly the refs hurt our chances in that game. I think they were consistently against us, and there were a few glaring calls - most obviously the 2 obvious goaltends which cost us 5 points. I dunno, it sucks, but what's done is done, it isn't going to change now. When it comes down to it I think the refs do tend to give the benefit of the doubt to the favored team, whether consciously or unconsciously (the Zona / SMU game after ours was just as bad), and that's something that you have to overcome sometimes in order to win on a stage like this. Ultimately you just can't spot a team that good 20 points, because you need everything to go your way even if you are playing great basketball.

- Which brings me to my next point - in the 1H we were clearly not prepared for their defensive intensity, and were not crisp enough on too many passes. DP struggled when an extra defender came at him. Not to mention we couldn't get anything to fall. BUT.... that second half of basketball was unlike anything I've ever seen an NU team play. It wasn't just one player, it was up and down the roster. BMac creating shots. Vic raining 3s. Tap hitting two 3s to get the run kickstarted, including a bomb from way deep. Sanjay scrambling around everywhere on defense and being crafty. Scottie getting out into the fastbreak. Dererk was even standing up Karnowski in the post more often than not, and vacuuming up rebounds. Pushing the ball up the court at every opportunity, and creating good shots with our chances. We scored 53 POINTS in the second half. What??

When Vic threw down that putback slam, the elation in the NU crowd was off the charts. While in the end we didn't get over the hump this time, I know that I was awfully proud of the effort put forth by our Cats. We fought hard, and we gave them the toughest game they've had so far. The fan support was also incredible in that game on Saturday. The Gonzaga fans almost seemed shell shocked as to what had happened, even after their win. Wildcat purple was out in force, and the crowd was LOUD to the point where we took over a neutral site game as the lower seed.

I don't see how this is anything other than a great springboard into next year. We return an awful lot of talent, and get Rap and Falzon back from injury. The future is bright. The ceiling is the roof! Thanks to Chris and all the members of this year's team for an incredible run that I know I will never forget.

GO CATS!
Rick

(PS have been following the Mark Smith developments to some extent, and hoping Chris can ride this wave to pull a rabbit out of a hat there....)
 
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I was in SLC on Saturday and it was an awesome Wildcat environment. Purple everywhere, and the second half was electrifying. Unfortunately the first half was stupefying. I'm very excited about next season, but my biggest concerns are I think we're going to miss Sanjay's toughness and Tap's ability to get on a roll from 3 more than we think. I'm hoping Lindsey, Law and B-Mac all take another step up when it comes to three-point accuracy. What I loved about our performance in the second half against Gonzaga was the defensive intensity the Cats brought. If we could clone that for every game next year, the sky is truly the limit.
 
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I was in SLC on Saturday and it was an awesome Wildcat environment. Purple everywhere, and the second half was electrifying. Unfortunately the first half was stupefying. I'm very excited about next season, but my biggest concerns are I think we're going to miss Sanjay's toughness and Tap's ability to get on a roll from 3 more than we think. I'm hoping Lindsey, Law and B-Mac all take another step up when it comes to three-point accuracy. What I loved about our performance in the second half against Gonzaga was the defensive intensity the Cats brought. If we could clone that for every game next year, the sky is truly the limit.
I am less concerned about Tap. Falzon should be an adequate replacement for him. Less sure about the replacement for Sanjay on D where he was able to guard whoever he had to. Gave us a lot of flexibility
 
I am less concerned about Tap. Falzon should be an adequate replacement for him. Less sure about the replacement for Sanjay on D where he was able to guard whoever he had to. Gave us a lot of flexibility

Sheesh.....Falzon started his Freshman year. He will be fine. He will start next season and Skelly will provide energy off the bench.
 
Falzon can't guard John Collins the way Sanjay did last year after Pardon hurt his hand. Law, Lindsey and Lumpkin gave us a lot of ability to switch on picks and throw different looks at opponents. He also developed a nice, if lightly used, offensive game basically from scratch. I wonder how much Falzon would have to give us on offense to balance what we lose on defense. There's probably some advanced way to do it. But I think if he shoots 40 percent from 3 and stretches defenses for Lindsey and Law, we can live with a few more mistakes on D.
 
Depth helps with defensive intensity. You need to swap people in to keep defense aggressive
 
Falzon can't guard John Collins the way Sanjay did last year after Pardon hurt his hand. Law, Lindsey and Lumpkin gave us a lot of ability to switch on picks and throw different looks at opponents. He also developed a nice, if lightly used, offensive game basically from scratch. I wonder how much Falzon would have to give us on offense to balance what we lose on defense. There's probably some advanced way to do it. But I think if he shoots 40 percent from 3 and stretches defenses for Lindsey and Law, we can live with a few more mistakes on D.

You're making this judgement based on Sanjay as a 5th year and Falzon as a 1st year. Go back and watch Sanjay as a freshman. Oh wait, he redshirted. Ok, how about his second year? Was he the same defensive player you saw this past season? I've been thoroughly impressed with the ability of this coaching staff to develop players, and the players themselves committing to it. What makes you think that Falzon breaks this trend and fails to develop as a defender? Give the kid a chance! I've observed a significant improvement in the defensive capacity of everyone on the team since CCC came aboard.
 
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I agree about replacing Lumpkin's defense. By far, that's the biggest challenge to maintaining a similar level next year.

OTOH, I wonder if you can make up for the lost defense with additional points. That's my only solution because I don't know where acceptable defense can come from. Skelly? Some poor man's version of twin towers? I'm not in love with those options.

In general, I think we're trading good defense/bad offense for bad defense/(what I hope is) good offense.

Are these guys rested up? Can we the season in a couple weeks?
 
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I agree about replacing Lumpkin's defense. By far, that's the biggest challenge to maintaining a similar level next year.

OTOH, I wonder if you can make up for the lost defense with additional points. That's my only solution because I don't know where acceptable defense can come from. Skelly? Some poor man's version of twin towers? I'm not in love with those options.

In general, I think we're trading good defense/bad offense for bad defense/(what I hope is) good offense.

Are these guys rested up? Can we the season in a couple weeks?
D is what got us to where we were this year. Skelly is fairly descent defensively. But not against a guard. That was the thing about Sanjay. He could switch onto almost anyone and guard effectively Added a lot to the versatility of the D. An opponent had trouble trying to switch to gain an advantage and SLwas able to double team guys like Happ effectively. Quick enough to handle the guards and strong enough to handle bigs. Just not sure where that comes from next year. Falzone will likely make up for Taps lost O and against 3s and 4s he will likely be able to defend (if he has gotten strong enough to handle the 4s) But against guards, I don't see him as quick enough
 
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I agree about replacing Lumpkin's defense. By far, that's the biggest challenge to maintaining a similar level next year.

OTOH, I wonder if you can make up for the lost defense with additional points. That's my only solution because I don't know where acceptable defense can come from. Skelly? Some poor man's version of twin towers? I'm not in love with those options.

In general, I think we're trading good defense/bad offense for bad defense/(what I hope is) good offense.

Are these guys rested up? Can we the season in a couple weeks?

Gonna miss Lumpkin big time. But, our other players just have to step up and make up for it. Hopefully Rap's D is decent, and Falzon and Benson will improve greatly. Perhaps, Gaines is a great defender?

We will gain in offensive firepower, while our D might take a hit.
 
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Gonna miss Lumpkin big time. But, our other players just have to step up and make up for it. Hopefully Rap's D is decent, and Falzon and Benson will improve greatly. Perhaps, Gaines is a great defender?

We will gain in offensive firepower, while our D might take a hit.

Gaines is reportedly quite solid defensively, as well as rebounding.
 
I'm definitely a bit late here, but hadn't checked in since our weekend out in Salt Lake. From a quick glance everyone seems a bit weirdly antagonistic, so how about a few happy notes (sorry this is probably going to end up being long)...

1) The NU fan following out in Salt Lake was incredible. There was purple everywhere throughout the weekend. On Thursday we probably outnumbered Gonzaga fans 1.5 to 1, and Vandy >10 to 1. All the other friends were very nice though (including Vandy), and eager to talk about basketball. In particular had multiple good conversations with many Gonzaga folks and a couple St Mary's folks. It's a great overall experience. Plus, on Saturday, our numbers increased by about another 30% I think from people that couldn't get out of work for the first round. I know our group went from 10 to 16, and spoke with others who made it for the second round.
2) Great job by the NAA or NU Marketing or whoever in organizing the pep rallies. Those were excellent events, and the venue with the huge open skylight ceilings and open air feel was perfect for the great SLC weather.
3) Speaking of which, lots of weird drinking rules in SLC, but overall a pretty solid town. The downtown area is at once tightly packed, yet still spread out bc the space between buildings and length of each block is so large. Interesting feel. Found good food and good places to drink though. Gracie's in particular was awesome, postgame Thurs and pregame Sat. Also snuck off to the mountains to do some spring skiing on Fri which was nice.
4) Vanderbilt- we completely dominated most of that game, but MFD getting en fuego coupled with a bit of hesitancy on our part and questionable reffing made it a game. Scottie helped us get off to the lead in the first half, but BMac stepped up big time down the stretch. Huge credit to him for securing the win.
4a.) Also, random side note I found it comical watching Kornet try to post up Pardon - he had 4 (or more?) inches on him yet whenever he tried to post him up he couldn't move Dererk an inch and I think was 0 for 4 on post up possessions. It's interesting to see that, even though DP had trouble at times with the dominant post up guys in the B1G, he's still a very good low post defender compared to the country at large.


Now for Gonzaga - man what a game.
- First, NWG and Zach Collins are very very good players. I think both should get a shot as role players in the NBA. Adding on this, I think Gonzaga is the most balanced all-around team in the country right now. They have plenty of scoring options and depth both outside (NWG, Melson, Perkins, etc) and inside (Collins, Karnowski, J Williams, and even 33 hurt us some). They can go 10 deep if they need to. While UNC, Kentucky, UCLA, Arizona, Duke certainly have more top-end talent than the Zags, I'm not sure any of them play as a team as well as they do. Kansas and Nova play well as a team on both ends of the floor, but both are more guard / backcourt heavy and don't have the depth inside, which came back to hurt them against Oregon and Wisconsin. Oregon may have had an argument for this, but the loss of Boucher makes them vulnerable inside (will be interesting next vs UNC).

- Second, clearly the refs hurt our chances in that game. I think they were consistently against us, and there were a few glaring calls - most obviously the 2 obvious goaltends which cost us 5 points. I dunno, it sucks, but what's done is done, it isn't going to change now. When it comes down to it I think the refs do tend to give the benefit of the doubt to the favored team, whether consciously or unconsciously (the Zona / SMU game after ours was just as bad), and that's something that you have to overcome sometimes in order to win on a stage like this. Ultimately you just can't spot a team that good 20 points, because you need everything to go your way even if you are playing great basketball.

- Which brings me to my next point - in the 1H we were clearly not prepared for their defensive intensity, and were not crisp enough on too many passes. DP struggled when an extra defender came at him. Not to mention we couldn't get anything to fall. BUT.... that second half of basketball was unlike anything I've ever seen an NU team play. It wasn't just one player, it was up and down the roster. BMac creating shots. Vic raining 3s. Tap hitting two 3s to get the run kickstarted, including a bomb from way deep. Sanjay scrambling around everywhere on defense and being crafty. Scottie getting out into the fastbreak. Dererk was even standing up Karnowski in the post more often than not, and vacuuming up rebounds. Pushing the ball up the court at every opportunity, and creating good shots with our chances. We scored 53 POINTS in the second half. What??

When Vic threw down that putback slam, the elation in the NU crowd was off the charts. While in the end we didn't get over the hump this time, I know that I was awfully proud of the effort put forth by our Cats. We fought hard, and we gave them the toughest game they've had so far. The fan support was also incredible in that game on Saturday. The Gonzaga fans almost seemed shell shocked as to what had happened, even after their win. Wildcat purple was out in force, and the crowd was LOUD to the point where we took over a neutral site game as the lower seed.

I don't see how this is anything other than a great springboard into next year. We return an awful lot of talent, and get Rap and Falzon back from injury. The future is bright. The ceiling is the roof! Thanks to Chris and all the members of this year's team for an incredible run that I know I will never forget.

GO CATS!
Rick

(PS have been following the Mark Smith developments to some extent, and hoping Chris can ride this wave to pull a rabbit out of a hat there....)
Thanks for the report.

For odd reasons, I was in and out for Thursday only, but I'll echo everything re: the experience. The pregame / pep rally environment was great, SLC's wide boulevards are both nice and weird, Gracie's was a good spot, and NU outnumbered Vandy significantly (I think even more than 10 to 1). Every mid sized city should have light rail.

No beer in the slc arena! - my regret is that we went out at halftime of the Zags game to the low capacity beer tent... the game was long past done (though six minutes remained) by the time we got back to our seats.

I'm not a big "conversation with random people" guy, but it sure was nice to talk to all the unattached fans who were planning to pull for the Cats. No doubt we were among the top stories going into day one, and the game mostly delivered, and Doug Collins and Charlie Hall's mom re-entered the national conscience.

It's also amazing, of course, to see the power of the NU alumni base. My group was five attendees from five different cities, with 700 miles the shortest distance traveled - we managed to skip life for a day or two and find a flight for the moment. (We're not unique in having done it, nor in distance traveled, but it's a bit absurd to the uninitiated.)

Overall, my feeling is one of unbridled optimism. 2018 will be great, and I'm optimistic that our next program-changer - our next Vic Law - will be a top 25 guy, and he might have an accomplice.

(Aside: we don't consider enough that a projected starter missed the season, a top rated freshman missed the season, out center missed part of the conference season, our top scorer missed a month, our most complete player forgot how to score until the final game of the season, we spent the season lamenting that one of the program's best ten players ever was pressing. The curse is alive and well, friends. It's just that NU can overcome curses these days.)

And, let's be honest, South Carolina has me both dreaming of what's to come, and doubly cursing that stupid goaltending non call.
 
What's the ideal lineup in CCCs or Duke's system? I may be confused on the terminology here, but I thought it was:

1- lead guard
2- wing
3- wing
4- stretch 4
5- center

If this is the case, I think CCC has great competitive depth at the 4 with Falzon, Skelly, Rap. In games against smaller, quicker teams, does CCC prefer to switch to pg, 3 wings, and a center? Or, is Lindsey not a wing?
 
What's the ideal lineup in CCCs or Duke's system? I may be confused on the terminology here, but I thought it was:

1- lead guard
2- wing
3- wing
4- stretch 4
5- center

If this is the case, I think CCC has great competitive depth at the 4 with Falzon, Skelly, Rap. In games against smaller, quicker teams, does CCC prefer to switch to pg, 3 wings, and a center? Or, is Lindsey not a wing?
Don't overthink it.
You've just listed a typical lineup and swapped out some names. NU likes a 4 that can knock it down from distance because, thought it took 30 years, basketball coaches have finally accepted that 33% from distance = 50% from inside the arc, and, therefore, the three-point shot is a really, really good weapon.

1 PG
2 SG
3 SF
4 PF
5 C

Your 2 and your 3 are always players. Your 1 is your primary ballhandler. Your 5 plays the post, and your 4 will typically be on the perimeter on offense but wlll defend the biggest non-center. If you wanted, you could call Law a "three and D" guy, and you could call Pardon your post, and you could call Scottie your primary scorer, but they'd all be the same guys.
 
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No beer in the slc arena! - my regret is that we went out at halftime of the Zags game to the low capacity beer tent... the game was long past done (though six minutes remained) by the time we got back to our seats.

It's my understanding that there's no beer sold at any NCAA tournament venue (unless you're in a suite). There definitely was no beer the 3 times we've hosted games in Portland recently.

Other than the 4% law, I didn't really find anything unusual about the scene in SLC. I enjoyed the brew pubs.
 
It's my understanding that there's no beer sold at any NCAA tournament venue (unless you're in a suite). There definitely was no beer the 3 times we've hosted games in Portland recently.

Other than the 4% law, I didn't really find anything unusual about the scene in SLC. I enjoyed the brew pubs.
No beer at the NCAA tournament!
https://www.google.com/amp/www.orla...-beer-ncaa-tournament-20170316-story,amp.html

Apparently, there are rules in slc mandating that one either purchase food or look at a menu. Though I didn't see it, I was told that many bars sell individual bags of chips for that reason.
 
It's my understanding that there's no beer sold at any NCAA tournament venue (unless you're in a suite). There definitely was no beer the 3 times we've hosted games in Portland recently.

Other than the 4% law, I didn't really find anything unusual about the scene in SLC. I enjoyed the brew pubs.

The local brews at the Thursday tailgate were quite good (and with normal ABV!). Just couldn't drink on the patio in the sunshine.
 
Thanks for the report.

For odd reasons, I was in and out for Thursday only, but I'll echo everything re: the experience. The pregame / pep rally environment was great, SLC's wide boulevards are both nice and weird, Gracie's was a good spot, and NU outnumbered Vandy significantly (I think even more than 10 to 1). Every mid sized city should have light rail.

No beer in the slc arena! - my regret is that we went out at halftime of the Zags game to the low capacity beer tent... the game was long past done (though six minutes remained) by the time we got back to our seats.

I'm not a big "conversation with random people" guy, but it sure was nice to talk to all the unattached fans who were planning to pull for the Cats. No doubt we were among the top stories going into day one, and the game mostly delivered, and Doug Collins and Charlie Hall's mom re-entered the national conscience.

It's also amazing, of course, to see the power of the NU alumni base. My group was five attendees from five different cities, with 700 miles the shortest distance traveled - we managed to skip life for a day or two and find a flight for the moment. (We're not unique in having done it, nor in distance traveled, but it's a bit absurd to the uninitiated.)

Overall, my feeling is one of unbridled optimism. 2018 will be great, and I'm optimistic that our next program-changer - our next Vic Law - will be a top 25 guy, and he might have an accomplice.

(Aside: we don't consider enough that a projected starter missed the season, a top rated freshman missed the season, out center missed part of the conference season, our top scorer missed a month, our most complete player forgot how to score until the final game of the season, we spent the season lamenting that one of the program's best ten players ever was pressing. The curse is alive and well, friends. It's just that NU can overcome curses these days.)

And, let's be honest, South Carolina has me both dreaming of what's to come, and doubly cursing that stupid goaltending non call.
Excellent post, agree on all counts. The no beer, the great random conversations, the NU alumni, the future optimism, and the SC point most of all...
 
No beer at the NCAA tournament!
https://www.google.com/amp/www.orla...-beer-ncaa-tournament-20170316-story,amp.html

Apparently, there are rules in slc mandating that one either purchase food or look at a menu. Though I didn't see it, I was told that many bars sell individual bags of chips for that reason.
Yeah - no beer in the games, weird outdoor rules for permitting from talking to some establishments, you have to show 2 people at bar to be able to order a pitcher, need to show all the people to be able to order groups of beers (except for Gracie's which thankfully exempted this law somehow), took down the literal DL #s as we got ID'd on the way in at Gracie's, no booze before 11am, the 4% max ABV for draft beers, other restrictions at the ski hill, and all sorts of weird rules for buying at stores -- grocery stores sell 3.2, then need to go to state run liquor stores to get higher % beer except somehow those only had craft beers + Icehouse and Bud Ice so it took us forever to find like a normal case of Coors Light or the like. And that's just what we found in 3 days... I would say that qualifies as strange alcohol rules, but it is a Mormon state and it was still a good time overall so not complaining too much.
 
D is what got us to where we were this year. Skelly is fairly descent defensively. But not against a guard. That was the thing about Sanjay. He could switch onto almost anyone and guard effectively Added a lot to the versatility of the D. An opponent had trouble trying to switch to gain an advantage and SLwas able to double team guys like Happ effectively. Quick enough to handle the guards and strong enough to handle bigs. Just not sure where that comes from next year. Falzone will likely make up for Taps lost O and against 3s and 4s he will likely be able to defend (if he has gotten strong enough to handle the 4s) But against guards, I don't see him as quick enough
Yeah I'm with all you guys here. Losing Sanjay's defensive flexibility is the biggest thing to replace. I love Tap, but Falzon can take his role and maybe do more. Sanjay is tougher, his grit and defensive switch ability. CC will need to play matchups more - against bigger teams we can rotate Skelly Pardon Rap etc at the 4-5 and guard 2 post teams (Purdue, Illinois at times, Wisconsin at times). But against the teams that play 4 out (e.g. Michigan and Indiana) we run into trouble. Because we can play BMac Scottie Vic, and sub them out, but we don't have a versatile 4th guy with size that is also quick enough to defend the perimeter. Skelly possibly, Falzon might need to try to, or maybe Gaines is strong enough to play stretch 4 at times? But this exact reason is why Purdue wasn't able to play Swanigan and Haas together much this year... those types of lineups create defensive liabilities.

I do agree that our offensive efficiency should be better next year, and with Pardon a year smarter (along with everyone else) I'm sure we can find different ways to limit the negative impact of this defensive hole. We may even be able to pound those teams in the post to make them pay for it on the other end, like we did to some extent against Michigan this year.
 
Yeah - no beer in the games, weird outdoor rules for permitting from talking to some establishments, you have to show 2 people at bar to be able to order a pitcher, need to show all the people to be able to order groups of beers (except for Gracie's which thankfully exempted this law somehow), took down the literal DL #s as we got ID'd on the way in at Gracie's, no booze before 11am, the 4% max ABV for draft beers, other restrictions at the ski hill, and all sorts of weird rules for buying at stores -- grocery stores sell 3.2, then need to go to state run liquor stores to get higher % beer except somehow those only had craft beers + Icehouse and Bud Ice so it took us forever to find like a normal case of Coors Light or the like. And that's just what we found in 3 days... I would say that qualifies as strange alcohol rules, but it is a Mormon state and it was still a good time overall so not complaining too much.
Coors Light??? Coors itself is water with some color but the light version must just be horrible. Still glad that you had a good time.
 
Coors Light??? Coors itself is water with some color but the light version must just be horrible. Still glad that you had a good time.
Knowing what I know, Willy, I would've thought you'd support drinking economy beers. You might be able to wrangle up $600 just by trading down. </s>
 
Coors Light??? Coors itself is water with some color but the light version must just be horrible. Still glad that you had a good time.
When drinking in quantity, or tailgating before a game, or sitting outside after a game, there isn't much that beats a CL (bottle especially) in my personal opinion.

Obviously not my favorite beer if you are just getting one or two with dinner, or trying to find something with more taste.
 
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