JVZ to NU!!!!
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I wanted them to pick up JVZ as much as anyone, but if he were to have been down to say, Illinois and NU and chosen U of I, a lot of people on these boards would have said he didn't fit in as an NU student athlete, and that his attitude doesn't fit the mold of the northwestern way.
Good move. This allows Collins to have 3 scholarships to give in 2016. The 5 scholarship current Freshman class creates a little logjam. Ideally, you'd like to see only 3 or 4 new faces each season, and this helps spread out the transition.
Per HokieHaven.com:
@Hokie_Haven: Van Zegeren is on track to graduate from VT this spring, making him immediately eligible at Northwestern.
@Hokie_Haven: Van Zegeren is on track to graduate from VT this spring, making him immediately eligible at Northwestern.
Little chance.
Wasn't there an article that talked about both Pardon Sr and Jr really valuing the NU Degree. Something to the effect that you can't fall down and break your degree....
I see this as only a positive - positioning the team for that illusive NCAA bid earlier. It really gives the younger guys time to mature on a stronger team with real recruiting and gameday momentum, not to mention the benefits of having to practice against stronger and more mature players.
Wasn't there an article that talked about both Pardon Sr and Jr really valuing the NU Degree. Something to the effect that you can't fall down and break your degree....
I see this as only a positive - positioning the team for that illusive NCAA bid earlier. It really gives the younger guys time to mature on a stronger team with real recruiting and gameday momentum, not to mention the benefits of having to practice against stronger and more mature players.
Of the 3, , JVZ, Nicholls and Ivanauskas, JVZ seems to offer the biggest immediate impact, but it's sad to see the other two go elsewhere. Shame on the two players sitting around counting their change.
Congrats to CC and the recruiters who have shown that they can coach AND RECRUIT. Recruiting has always been the story of NU men's hoops, but lately a good story.
Wonder what the line will be against IU?
Congrats to CC and the recruiters who have shown that they can coach AND RECRUIT. Recruiting has always been the story of NU men's hoops, but lately a good story.
Wonder what the line will be against IU?
Little chance of that - Pardon is the heir-apparent to Olah when he departs.
Seems like JVZ does his damage in the paint, so likely will back up Olah (w/ his length and athleticism, would be perfect to safeguard the basket in the 2-3 zone).
But can't but help imagine CC going to a big and beefy lineup w/ Demps, Lumpkin, Falzon, JVC and Olah - a lineup that can put the physical hurt on teams (included Falzon instead of Skelly b/c need another shooter).
Or go for the speedy lineup w/ BMac, Lindsey, Law, Skelly and JVC (would be interesting to see whether Skelly or Falzon is faster) or a lineup full of shooters - BMac, Ash, Tap, Falzon and Olah.
CC will have such a dizzying possible combinations for lineups, even more so if Pardon plays (I'm thinking that Pardon can contribute right away, but not anymore than what JVC or Skelly can do - so CC might be tempted to RS Pardon).
How in the world can a college player be that pitiful at the free throw line? That is embarrassing.
How much you wanna bet Pardon does not redshirt? I don't know if it's because of our football legacy or what, but I don't quite get the immediate desire to redshirt our players, as the number of redshirts in hoops is exceedingly small.
Collins is a Duke grad and is not going to be taking the Fitzgerald formula to mediocrity - he is going to be going after (and landing) talent that is better than anyone we currently have on this roster (including his own recruits) and if a kid can't get on a court and play as a frosh, then he probably isn't going to be worth keeping around as a 5th year senior, when hopefully you can free up a scholie to land a much better prospect. There are exceptions (e.g. Rony Seikaly), but typically it's because you have a loaded roster in front of you already (which we do not have) and you redshirt kids who are pure projects (meaning usually bigs who haven't been playing ball and are still learning the game, like Seikaly). 6'9" and 220 is plenty big for college ball, and would make him the 3rd biggest player on the roster. Who knows, he may also grow an inch or two and put on 10-15 pounds before October anyways.
Of course, JVZ was redshirted, so maybe I'm wrong as I often am about things.
This post was edited on 2/24 9:13 AM by EvanstonCat
Collins is a Duke grad and is not going to be taking the Fitzgerald formula to mediocrity - he is going to be going after (and landing) talent that is better than anyone we currently have on this roster (including his own recruits) and if a kid can't get on a court and play as a frosh, then he probably isn't going to be worth keeping around as a 5th year senior, when hopefully you can free up a scholie to land a much better prospect. There are exceptions (e.g. Rony Seikaly), but typically it's because you have a loaded roster in front of you already (which we do not have) and you redshirt kids who are pure projects (meaning usually bigs who haven't been playing ball and are still learning the game, like Seikaly). 6'9" and 220 is plenty big for college ball, and would make him the 3rd biggest player on the roster. Who knows, he may also grow an inch or two and put on 10-15 pounds before October anyways.
Of course, JVZ was redshirted, so maybe I'm wrong as I often am about things.
This post was edited on 2/24 9:13 AM by EvanstonCat
I would bet anyone that JVZ is our starting PF next year. First of all, he's not a natural 5. He may end up playing 5 to spell Olah at times, but that's not going to be his main role. No one on the current roster or incoming frosh has his skills and experience. This is no Jermiah Kreisburg. Probably more of a Jared Swopshire, except with more skills and size and production, though from a far weaker program.
Who would you play over him? An undersized Lumpkin or Law (both of whom will end up at the 3 next year, where they belong). A Skelly who has not produced as is not as physically mature? Taphorn who can't even start now? A true frosh in Falzon - maybe - if he's even better than advertised, but I doubt he's going to beat out a 5th year guy who was productive in the ACC.
My bigger concern is what did he get dismissed from VaTech for? Is there an issue there that is going to be negative for the team moving forward? Are things going to be different with Collins at the helm?
Who would you play over him? An undersized Lumpkin or Law (both of whom will end up at the 3 next year, where they belong). A Skelly who has not produced as is not as physically mature? Taphorn who can't even start now? A true frosh in Falzon - maybe - if he's even better than advertised, but I doubt he's going to beat out a 5th year guy who was productive in the ACC.
My bigger concern is what did he get dismissed from VaTech for? Is there an issue there that is going to be negative for the team moving forward? Are things going to be different with Collins at the helm?
From what I've read, I get the feeling that after some coaching changes his place on the team kind of went sideways and he was frustrated with that and acted out mostly in the locker room. That may be a sign of immaturity but I don't think CC would take him on if there was not a feeling that there have been lessons learned and a fresh start was a real possibility. I bet JVC feels he still as a shot at the pros and this is his last best chance.
As hopeful as I am for him to contribute on game day, I think he will make a real contribution in practice, All the bigs and maybe especially Olah will be challenged by him and he will have a fresh perspective as to how things are done in another program. If he can put on a leader's player/coach attitude, the young bigs could learn a real lot from him.
As hopeful as I am for him to contribute on game day, I think he will make a real contribution in practice, All the bigs and maybe especially Olah will be challenged by him and he will have a fresh perspective as to how things are done in another program. If he can put on a leader's player/coach attitude, the young bigs could learn a real lot from him.
JVZ got frustrated over the new coaching staff and diminishing playing time. He apparently lost it in practice and whipped a basketball at an assistant coach. There's a thread about it on the VaTech board. Otherwise, they say he is a good kid.
He also shoots 37% from the FT line, so look for him to get pulled when we're in the bonus. Most of his baskets are from within the paint.
He also shoots 37% from the FT line, so look for him to get pulled when we're in the bonus. Most of his baskets are from within the paint.
Am I wrong? I feel like we don't get much in the paint so this could be a real missing link or am I too optimistic?
This post was edited on 2/25 4:03 PM by Deeringfish
This post was edited on 2/25 4:03 PM by Deeringfish
I don't know. It sounds like he might be someone who drives or backs into the lane for jump hooks, short jumpers, lay-ups, dunks, etc., as well as put backs off of offensive rebounds. He doesn't appear to be a jump shooter because he rarely attempts or makes shots beyond 12 feet. He is a horrible FT shooter, so he'll often be pulled when in the bonus. To answer your other question elsewhere...he was seeing diminished playing time at VaTech and was encouraged to transfer, so I doubt he has the talent to play in the NBA. He did have pretty good scoring and rebounding stats for the time he was playing (about 21 mpg). My hunch is that he's much better than Kreisberg but not as good as Swopshire.
This guy has the same deal as Kreisberg and Swop. He's a grad transfer, playing out his 5th year. Kreisberg is gone after this year, and so is this guy after one at NU.
You RS in BB for the same reason you do in FB, For example, Bigs typically take longer to develop. The result is that they are often helped by having a RS year. Imagine what Olah would be like as a SR had he been able to RS instead of having to play as a FROSH because of need. Other reasons are that you cannot get the kid minutes to play because you have a logjam at his position. Wisc, for example, RSs quite a few. In years past, they did it a lot with centers to very good result. Even guards. Did you realize that Gassar was RS even though he is not listed as such?
Or look at the Kyle Wiltjer RS year between Kentucky and Gonzaga, it transformed him. There's a good Grantland article on it. There are plenty of situations where a RS isn't necessary, but there are probably just as many or more where it can help, as the kid can transform or strengthen his body without always needing to be ready to play a full D-1 bball game twice a week for 4 months.
Anyways though, excited to get JVZ, adds another piece which will help with depth on the front line and create more possibilities. The one thing that makes me a bit concerned - now we lose both Olah and JVZ the same year, so our big man depth will really go off a cliff after next year. In that pivotal 4th year for CC as head coach, a lot of pressure is going to be placed on Pardon up front if we don't get another strong big man in the '16 class. If not then Falzon or Taphorn or someone will need to bulk up. But that's far enough out that a whole lot can chance obviously.
Anyways though, excited to get JVZ, adds another piece which will help with depth on the front line and create more possibilities. The one thing that makes me a bit concerned - now we lose both Olah and JVZ the same year, so our big man depth will really go off a cliff after next year. In that pivotal 4th year for CC as head coach, a lot of pressure is going to be placed on Pardon up front if we don't get another strong big man in the '16 class. If not then Falzon or Taphorn or someone will need to bulk up. But that's far enough out that a whole lot can chance obviously.
LOL! I have to laugh reading this from one of the boards biggest pessimists.
I've spent many years hoping various poor free throw shooters (usually centers like Shaq) could raise their FT shooting percentage. About the only person I've followed who has succeeded at it was Olah. He's gone from a 58% FT shooter his freshman year to a current Big Ten FT shooting percentage of over 83%. At one point in the B1G season, Olah made 15 FT's in a row and 25 out of 26!
I wonder what this means for 3s and 4s next year
And no, I'm not talking about him transferring.
However, thankfully for once, things are getting somewhat crowded at the 4 and 5 - at least for next year. I assume JVZ backs up Olah. Then things become pretty crowded at the 4 with Skelly, Pardon and Falzon. That's going to be a great battle to watch.
Yes, I've left out Lumpkin. I think Lumpkin will be kicked to the 3, a more appropriate spot. But then he, Law and Taphorn will battle for time with Lindsey also able to spend a bit of time at the 3.
It's an interesting problem to have.
And no, I'm not talking about him transferring.
However, thankfully for once, things are getting somewhat crowded at the 4 and 5 - at least for next year. I assume JVZ backs up Olah. Then things become pretty crowded at the 4 with Skelly, Pardon and Falzon. That's going to be a great battle to watch.
Yes, I've left out Lumpkin. I think Lumpkin will be kicked to the 3, a more appropriate spot. But then he, Law and Taphorn will battle for time with Lindsey also able to spend a bit of time at the 3.
It's an interesting problem to have.
Re: I wonder what this means for 3s and 4s next year
How great is it to be able to talk about problems like THIS?!?
Re: I wonder what this means for 3s and 4s next year
Hey Sec,
You are one of the few bball minds that I really enjoy reading. So I gotta ask - everyone has said that Pardon was recruiting to be a 5. Why do you have him as a 4 (I agree with you and think, after the vZ year, Falzon / Pardon offer dynamic opportunities out of the 4)?
Hey Sec,
You are one of the few bball minds that I really enjoy reading. So I gotta ask - everyone has said that Pardon was recruiting to be a 5. Why do you have him as a 4 (I agree with you and think, after the vZ year, Falzon / Pardon offer dynamic opportunities out of the 4)?
Answer your question with a question, Bob
Why did the Cats recruit JVZ?
That tells me they think Pardon is not a center ... at least out of the gate.
What is he listed at: 6-8, 230? Juuuust a tad small unless he knows how to use his body.
Don't get me wrong. I'm sure somewhere he'll have minutes at the 5 next year, but my guess (having not seen him) is that he'll be asked to grow into a certain role, much like Skelly is developing.
Why did the Cats recruit JVZ?
That tells me they think Pardon is not a center ... at least out of the gate.
What is he listed at: 6-8, 230? Juuuust a tad small unless he knows how to use his body.
Don't get me wrong. I'm sure somewhere he'll have minutes at the 5 next year, but my guess (having not seen him) is that he'll be asked to grow into a certain role, much like Skelly is developing.
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