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First - let me say this: Go Ramblers! They are clearly one the best teams in the country (and easily the state). We would lose to them by 25+.


But what does their epic run mean for Collins and NU? It seems so silly now for us to crow about making the tournament. And his accomplishment (getting us over the hump) no longer seems like enough to say he can stay at NU as long as he wants (ie Pat Fitz).


Will Loyola’s run shift the recruiting landscape in Chicago? Are there 3 star kids who would sit on the bench at U of I who would rather start and play at Loyola? Will they start making in-roads with legit P5 players from Chicago? Kinda like what Butler has become?

Thoughts?


Porter Moser’s is going to be able make some interesting recruiting pitches
 
First - let me say this: Go Ramblers! They are clearly one the best teams in the country (and easily the state). We would lose to them by 25+.


But what does their epic run mean for Collins and NU? It seems so silly now for us to crow about making the tournament. And his accomplishment (getting us over the hump) no longer seems like enough to say he can stay at NU as long as he wants (ie Pat Fitz).


Will Loyola’s run shift the recruiting landscape in Chicago? Are there 3 star kids who would sit on the bench at U of I who would rather start and play at Loyola? Will they start making in-roads with legit P5 players from Chicago? Kinda like what Butler has become?

Thoughts?


Porter Moser’s is going to be able make some interesting recruiting pitches
Basketball teams only sign 3-4 players per year, so Loyola's success means little to NU's recruiting efforts. I suspect that the academic requirements at NU surpass those at LU and there is little overlap between the schools. And UIUC isn't looking for 3*s, they are looking for 4 and 5* guys who want to play in the B1G.

Strong Loyola, DePaul and NU are good for Chicago. Would be great to play both DU and LU on an annual basis to have real local rivalries.
 
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First - let me say this: Go Ramblers! They are clearly one the best teams in the country (and easily the state). We would lose to them by 25+.


But what does their epic run mean for Collins and NU? It seems so silly now for us to crow about making the tournament. And his accomplishment (getting us over the hump) no longer seems like enough to say he can stay at NU as long as he wants (ie Pat Fitz).


Will Loyola’s run shift the recruiting landscape in Chicago? Are there 3 star kids who would sit on the bench at U of I who would rather start and play at Loyola? Will they start making in-roads with legit P5 players from Chicago? Kinda like what Butler has become?

Thoughts?


Porter Moser’s is going to be able make some interesting recruiting pitches

It means nothing.
 
I'm wondering how this will change the landscape also. Part of me hopes it does.

First of all, if there's any possibility Moser will leave, Loyola needs to retain him. If they don't, it will become somewhere-in-the-ballpark of the same 'ol, same 'ol.

Assuming he stays, I think Loyola needs to have a strong year again next year for a change to really take a strong effect. You're playing in that conference with a pretty small gym. What percentage of classes are on the lakefront vs. downtown?

But if I'm a Loyola assistant, I think you have an AWFULLY good argument for the most historic program in the state.

Yes, yes, let me save the Illini idiots the trouble. Of course, you're in the conversation, but show me your national championship. I wouldn't make a consistency argument for Loyola, but they are in the discussion. If that idea sticks, it could change things.
 
Loyola's problem is scheduling. As I said on another thread, Chicago is still a pro town and only BIG games get attention. The Ramblers were anonymous for most of the season (they don't even have a radio deal) and the MVC ain't the Big Ten as far as drawing power. When they won that crown in '63, they were hosting Chicago Stadium doubleheaders and getting some marquee matchups (and there was no pro team here). I think they can carve out a nice niche (and maybe even sellout their 4500 seat gym for the season-they only averaged half that this season) but getting big teams to come in there will be difficult. DePaul did that for a while with a unique WGN TV deal when it was a national superstation and by moving to a bigger venue off campus but that a different era (pre-Jordan and pre-internet and when cable TV was just starting). Will be interesting to watch what they do off season.
 
Sadly, Loyola won't be able to afford to keep Moser. No B1G Network money. They can't get close to the $3MM per year NU is paying CCC. As much as I'm sure he's like to stay, when a major offer comes his way, it'll be impossible to refuse.
 
Sadly, Loyola won't be able to afford to keep Moser...

This is similar to the former NU argument. "The money is not there." I call BS!! It's the Catholic church. The money is there if the right person knows how to access it.

For better or worse, there may not be many choices for Moser. I could see Xavier if Mack leaves for Louisville. (I don't know why anyone successful would want to leave for that.)

Otherwise, not much else out there.
 
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This is similar to the former NU argument. "The money is not there." I call BS!! It's the Catholic church. The money is there if the right person knows how to access it.

For better or worse, there may not be many choices for Moser. I could see Xavier if Mack leaves for Louisville. (I don't know why anyone successful would want to leave for that.)

Otherwise, not much else out there.

Xavier makes sense if it's open, but I can't see him taking Louisville or Pitt because the one has legal troubles up the wazoo and the other is in really bad straits right now. As Loyola returns a lot of the weapons from this team, he could aim for the Brad Stevens repeat and then could pick from any job he wants or get the lifetime deal from Loyola, if he's happy to be Mark Few. The other open jobs (Rhody, Seton Hall if Kevin Willard returns to Louisville?) right now are not good enough bets or big enough steps up.

If I'm Moser, I think I bet on myself and my roster for another year. Xavier would be of great interest but I don't think Mack vacates the job.
 
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I think Loyola can find some money for Moser. The development director was on television talking about the fact that this run has brought in significant money from alums.

I don't know that Loyola can start targeting the same kids that NU and other Big Ten teams do. They'll get the occasional kid, but they'd have to build more of a Gonzaga reputation over the next two-three years.
 
With a law school and a medical school, you would think Loyola has enough wealthy Alums to pitch in to keep Moser. What do you think they are paying him, 600k or so?

Being a product of a Chicago area Jesuit high school where many of the graduates matriculated into Loyola, I can guarantee you that there are many wealthy Loyola alums living in Chicago. Looking at a list of their prominent alums reveals some famous names including a Ricketts, a Pritzker, Phil Corboy of Corboy and Demetrio, Mike Quinlan - former McDonalds CEO.
 
I don’t think there’ll be much overlap between Loyola and B1G recruiting. Gonzaga’s been a powerhouse for 20 years and didn’t they not get their first McDonald’s all american until last year? Loyola won’t get big time recruits but the Ramblers (and other past MVC teams) have shown they can put together deep runs without it.
 
Being a product of a Chicago area Jesuit high school where many of the graduates matriculated into Loyola, I can guarantee you that there are many wealthy Loyola alums living in Chicago. Looking at a list of their prominent alums reveals some famous names including a Ricketts, a Pritzker, Phil Corboy of Corboy and Demetrio, Mike Quinlan - former McDonalds CEO.
Author of Emotional Core Therapy series of books graduated from their graduate psychology program also. So there is big,big money there. LOL
 
I think Loyola can find some money for Moser. The development director was on television talking about the fact that this run has brought in significant money from alums.

I don't know that Loyola can start targeting the same kids that NU and other Big Ten teams do. They'll get the occasional kid, but they'd have to build more of a Gonzaga reputation over the next two-three years.
Right - at one point, it was laughable that Butler or Gonzaga or Wichita St could recruit against the Big Ten. But I think he's gotta do it again, and probably another time after that.
 
There is of course is a lot of talk on Ramblermania (the LU basketball board) about whether they keep PM or not. He is making 450K this year. Middle of the pack in the MVC. He can certainly make more elsewhere even considering that LU will up the ante. He has two kids at Loyola Academy, two more in grade school, is involved in his parish, is Chicago area kid, . Lots of reasons to stay but LU will have to show him some respect...Its not about the money,,,but its about the money. He is going to be 50...so he could do 5 more years at LU and feel good about leaving if he has established them as a consistent program and still have the chance to get to a P5 program if that is what he wants. We will see...My money is on Coach staying for awhile. The other factor is that he has an assistant Bryan Mullen (?) who may be ready to take over. Great story I heard about Coach Moser when he got canned at ISU...he had money coming and he told ISU to take it ,split it up and give it to his assistants
 
First - let me say this: Go Ramblers! They are clearly one the best teams in the country (and easily the state). We would lose to them by 25+.


But what does their epic run mean for Collins and NU? It seems so silly now for us to crow about making the tournament. And his accomplishment (getting us over the hump) no longer seems like enough to say he can stay at NU as long as he wants (ie Pat Fitz).


Will Loyola’s run shift the recruiting landscape in Chicago? Are there 3 star kids who would sit on the bench at U of I who would rather start and play at Loyola? Will they start making in-roads with legit P5 players from Chicago? Kinda like what Butler has become?

Thoughts?


Porter Moser’s is going to be able make some interesting recruiting pitches
It would be similar to the Big Five in Philly. They all support each other, and are different types of schools. There's always one or two very good teams out of that league each year (e.g. Villanova)
 
There is of course is a lot of talk on Ramblermania (the LU basketball board) about whether they keep PM or not. He is making 450K this year. Middle of the pack in the MVC. He can certainly make more elsewhere even considering that LU will up the ante. He has two kids at Loyola Academy, two more in grade school, is involved in his parish, is Chicago area kid, . Lots of reasons to stay but LU will have to show him some respect...Its not about the money,,,but its about the money. He is going to be 50...so he could do 5 more years at LU and feel good about leaving if he has established them as a consistent program and still have the chance to get to a P5 program if that is what he wants. We will see...My money is on Coach staying for awhile. The other factor is that he has an assistant Bryan Mullen (?) who may be ready to take over. Great story I heard about Coach Moser when he got canned at ISU...he had money coming and he told ISU to take it ,split it up and give it to his assistants

Loyola has been exceptionally well run, from a financial perspective, over the last 30 years.

The final four will cause a spike in applications and in giving.

Increasing Moser's comp package 50% or even 100% has almost no effect on the overall university finances. A lay person now runs Loyola and she'll help to get this done. He's living the life in Wilmette and is in one of the largest media markets. Look for a ton of Loyola's games to be televised next year, and look for the commercials to feature a coach hawking cars, fences, garages and the like.

Why put everything at risk and go through the hassle of a move to a lesser city to maybe get more money for a couple years, maybe not.
 
First - let me say this: Go Ramblers! They are clearly one the best teams in the country (and easily the state). We would lose to them by 25+.


But what does their epic run mean for Collins and NU? It seems so silly now for us to crow about making the tournament. And his accomplishment (getting us over the hump) no longer seems like enough to say he can stay at NU as long as he wants (ie Pat Fitz).


Will Loyola’s run shift the recruiting landscape in Chicago? Are there 3 star kids who would sit on the bench at U of I who would rather start and play at Loyola? Will they start making in-roads with legit P5 players from Chicago? Kinda like what Butler has become?

Thoughts?


Porter Moser’s is going to be able make some interesting recruiting pitches

Not sure how it translates to recruiting, but the leading piece on Sports Center after the Ramblers moved on to the Final Four featured a clip showing Northwestern's magical season headed to the Rose Bowl. The storyline was that Chicagoland has not been so excited about a sports team's success since the Wildcats went to Pasadena. Lots of purple in the vintage shots that aired.
 
Loyola has been exceptionally well run, from a financial perspective, over the last 30 years.

The final four will cause a spike in applications and in giving.

Increasing Moser's comp package 50% or even 100% has almost no effect on the overall university finances. A lay person now runs Loyola and she'll help to get this done. He's living the life in Wilmette and is in one of the largest media markets. Look for a ton of Loyola's games to be televised next year, and look for the commercials to feature a coach hawking cars, fences, garages and the like.

Why put everything at risk and go through the hassle of a move to a lesser city to maybe get more money for a couple years, maybe not.

Agree with this. Best for Porter to stay and best for the school to keep him. It just kills me how one season can completely change people’s perception on coaches. Let’s not forget that Porter was a sub 500 head coach coming into this season and talk of him going to Xavier, Pitt or any other P5 type of school would have been ridiculous. I like Porter, fits the school perfectly. Hope he doesn’t ruin it by jumping ship to a place where expectations are unrealistic.
 
There is of course is a lot of talk on Ramblermania (the LU basketball board) about whether they keep PM or not. He is making 450K this year. Middle of the pack in the MVC. He can certainly make more elsewhere even considering that LU will up the ante. He has two kids at Loyola Academy, two more in grade school, is involved in his parish, is Chicago area kid, . Lots of reasons to stay but LU will have to show him some respect...Its not about the money,,,but its about the money. He is going to be 50...so he could do 5 more years at LU and feel good about leaving if he has established them as a consistent program and still have the chance to get to a P5 program if that is what he wants. We will see...My money is on Coach staying for awhile. The other factor is that he has an assistant Bryan Mullen (?) who may be ready to take over. Great story I heard about Coach Moser when he got canned at ISU...he had money coming and he told ISU to take it ,split it up and give it to his assistants
Hope for your and other Loyola fans sake he stays but this could be his only chance to cash in on his success. Don't know which coaching positions ight become available and the cost of living on the north shore isn't getting any cheaper. Also $450k is assistant coaches salary at some Power 5 schools and Loyola will have to likely double that to hold onto him. Can they increase the size of Gentile Arena? Maybe they could ask the planers from NU on how they came up with the thought that a 7,000 seat gym was a good idea. Whatever happens down the road, I'll be rooting for the Ramblers this weekend.
 
Basketball teams only sign 3-4 players per year, so Loyola's success means little to NU's recruiting efforts. I suspect that the academic requirements at NU surpass those at LU and there is little overlap between the schools. And UIUC isn't looking for 3*s, they are looking for 4 and 5* guys who want to play in the B1G.

Strong Loyola, DePaul and NU are good for Chicago. Would be great to play both DU and LU on an annual basis to have real local rivalries.
Maybe more of that Chicago area talent would be more likely to stay in IL now with stronger programs across the board. Add in an attempt to reduce the one and done with the two year requirement and places like DUKE and KU become less appealing
 
Add in an attempt to reduce the one and done with the two year requirement and places like DUKE and KU become less appealing
Disagree. Duke and KU will be appealing a long as Coach K and Self are there. None of the elite Chicago talent is turning down those two schools for Loyola, UIUC or NU.
 
So it seems as if most of the people here feel like the Final Four run won't have an impact on recruiting. But I wonder if the opinions change if they actually win the damn thing. . . .
 
Having been to a game there this year, I don't see how they can increase the size of Gentile Arena that much, and then again, why would they? They couldn't do it enough to attract many big schools to play in there and it should be a heckuva home court advantage when filled. Gonzaga played lots of away games and neutral court venues in establishing themselves before they actually built a new gym in 2004, and willycat, guess what, it seats only 6,000!
 
Will Loyola’s run shift the recruiting landscape in Chicago? Are there 3 star kids who would sit on the bench at U of I who would rather start and play at Loyola? Will they start making in-roads with legit P5 players from Chicago? Kinda like what Butler has become?

I think it will be fascinating to see where Loyola goes from here. Butler, VCU and Wichita parlayed Final 4 runs into better conferences that gave them a better chance to recruit at a higher level and return to the tournament on a regular basis. George Mason also moved up in leagues but has basically never been heard from again.

Gonzaga is the model, obviously, but geography has them stuck in a weak league. If Loyola can sustain some success can they make a play for the Big East? They fit the profile with all but one of those schools being Catholic, enrollment is larger than most Big East schools and their endowment is larger than any Big East school other than Georgetown. I don't know where their other athletic programs are at competitively, but it doesn't seem crazy unless I'm missing something (other than maybe DePaul not wanting that competition in the same city). But it would require them to back this up with more success.

Losing Moser would hurt, but remember that Gonzaga's first out-of-nowhere deep run to the Elite 8 in 1999 came with Dan Monson as coach. He left for Minnesota while he was a hot commodity, and a 36-year-old assistant named Mark Few took over and all he's done is make the tournament 19 years in a row (including the Sweet 16 this year with a kid from Simeon High School in Chicago). So losing the coach doesn't have to halt the momentum.
 
Gonzaga is the model, obviously, but geography has them stuck in a weak league. If Loyola can sustain some success can they make a play for the Big East? They fit the profile with all but one of those schools being Catholic, enrollment is larger than most Big East schools and their endowment is larger than any Big East school other than Georgetown. I don't know where their other athletic programs are at competitively, but it doesn't seem crazy unless I'm missing something (other than maybe DePaul not wanting that competition in the same city). But it would require them to back this up with more success.

The Big East is a great call. Loyola actually reminds me of Seton Hall which could/should be their goal. If you remember, Seton Hall had a miracle run to the championship game in 1989 where they lost to . . . . Michigan.
 
Having been to a game there this year, I don't see how they can increase the size of Gentile Arena that much, and then again, why would they? They couldn't do it enough to attract many big schools to play in there and it should be a heckuva home court advantage when filled. Gonzaga played lots of away games and neutral court venues in establishing themselves before they actually built a new gym in 2004, and willycat, guess what, it seats only 6,000!
Sounds about right for a mid-major program.
 
Sounds about right for a mid-major program.
Here we go again. As someone that has been in this gym several times, I can tell you it has been far from full in almost every game. I think the ISU game was full this year, but I don’t think there were any other sell outs this year. Someone can correct me if I am wrong. Btw Willy, Loyola attendance in 2017 averaged 1,861. Let’s build a 15,000 arena. You think AA looked empty last season, image 2000 in the House.
 
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I think it will be fascinating to see where Loyola goes from here. Butler, VCU and Wichita parlayed Final 4 runs into better conferences that gave them a better chance to recruit at a higher level and return to the tournament on a regular basis. George Mason also moved up in leagues but has basically never been heard from again.

Gonzaga is the model, obviously, but geography has them stuck in a weak league. If Loyola can sustain some success can they make a play for the Big East? They fit the profile with all but one of those schools being Catholic, enrollment is larger than most Big East schools and their endowment is larger than any Big East school other than Georgetown. I don't know where their other athletic programs are at competitively, but it doesn't seem crazy unless I'm missing something (other than maybe DePaul not wanting that competition in the same city). But it would require them to back this up with more success.

Losing Moser would hurt, but remember that Gonzaga's first out-of-nowhere deep run to the Elite 8 in 1999 came with Dan Monson as coach. He left for Minnesota while he was a hot commodity, and a 36-year-old assistant named Mark Few took over and all he's done is make the tournament 19 years in a row (including the Sweet 16 this year with a kid from Simeon High School in Chicago). So losing the coach doesn't have to halt the momentum.

Loyola’s unique in that their conference change came before success. They’re like a Rutgers qualifying for the CFP.

Butler, VCU, and Wichita made their runs in their long time conferences - Horizon, Colonial, and MVC - and ended up in Big East, A10, & American.

Loyola’s longtime conference was MCC/Horizon. They got Rutgers’d into MVC a few years ago and then took off. Horizon is 25th rpi and MVC 8th.

They could end up in Big East but likely under the condition of co-tenancy at Wintrust with DePaul (with Fox and 9 schools overpowering the Blue Demons’ objections). Big East won’t admit a 4.5k gym but that can be worked around by playing at the Rahm Mahal.
 
I think it will be fascinating to see where Loyola goes from here. Butler, VCU and Wichita parlayed Final 4 runs into better conferences that gave them a better chance to recruit at a higher level and return to the tournament on a regular basis. George Mason also moved up in leagues but has basically never been heard from again.

Gonzaga is the model, obviously, but geography has them stuck in a weak league. If Loyola can sustain some success can they make a play for the Big East? They fit the profile with all but one of those schools being Catholic, enrollment is larger than most Big East schools and their endowment is larger than any Big East school other than Georgetown. I don't know where their other athletic programs are at competitively, but it doesn't seem crazy unless I'm missing something (other than maybe DePaul not wanting that competition in the same city). But it would require them to back this up with more success.
Loyola’s unique in that their conference change came before success. They’re like a Rutgers qualifying for the CFP.
Loyola made their move. Be Wichita for five or ten years before you try to be The New Wichita.

Though The Valley has lost many of the teams that made them The Valley - Butler, Creighton, Wichita (, SLU) - it's still loaded with good programs with good traditions.

There's great upside, but there's still so little established. They'd head for the George Mason model and not the Gonzaga model if they made the move.
 
Here we go again. As someone that has been in this gym several times, I can tell you it has been far from full in almost every game. I think the ISU game was full this year, but I don’t think there were any other sell outs this year. Someone can correct me if I am wrong. Btw Willy, Loyola attendance in 2017 averaged 1,861. Let’s build a 15,000 arena. You think AA looked empty last season, image 2000 in the House.
Would have to think that Loyola will play to 90% capacity or so next season, no?
 
Here we go again. As someone that has been in this gym several times, I can tell you it has been far from full in almost every game. I think the ISU game was full this year, but I don’t think there were any other sell outs this year. Someone can correct me if I am wrong. Btw Willy, Loyola attendance in 2017 averaged 1,861. Let’s build a 15,000 arena. You think AA looked empty last season, image 2000 in the House.
If NU can't fill up a arena with 10,000 fans, while having a world class city next door, then somebody is not doing their job. Did someone say something about a 15,000 seat arena?
 
Loyola’s unique in that their conference change came before success. They’re like a Rutgers qualifying for the CFP.

Butler, VCU, and Wichita made their runs in their long time conferences - Horizon, Colonial, and MVC - and ended up in Big East, A10, & American.

Loyola’s longtime conference was MCC/Horizon. They got Rutgers’d into MVC a few years ago and then took off. Horizon is 25th rpi and MVC 8th.

They could end up in Big East but likely under the condition of co-tenancy at Wintrust with DePaul (with Fox and 9 schools overpowering the Blue Demons’ objections). Big East won’t admit a 4.5k gym but that can be worked around by playing at the Rahm Mahal.
St. John's main arena only holds 5600 people, though they do play some games at MSG. Not sure why you think the Big East wouldn't allow Loyola's arena?
 
They didn’t this year.
No, but the interest level will be ramped up a bit, don't you think? There was NO preseason buzz about them that I can recall; they were only picked to finish something like 3rd in The Valley. Don't think anybody really started taking notice of them 'til mid-February or so. That won't be the case next season. I may try to get out there for a game myself.
 
No, but the interest level will be ramped up a bit, don't you think? There was NO preseason buzz about them that I can recall; they were only picked to finish something like 3rd in The Valley. Don't think anybody really started taking notice of them 'til mid-February or so. That won't be the case next season. I may try to get out there for a game myself.
Yes they are likely to attract some local non Alumni fans next year. I have had at least one of my kids there since 2009 and unfortunately there isn’t a great deal of support for their teams until they get really good. The men’s volleyball team won a D1 Natty and what happens? Coach moves on to NU.
 
St. John's main arena only holds 5600 people, though they do play some games at MSG. Not sure why you think the Big East wouldn't allow Loyola's arena?

Looks like everyone with even a remote Loyola connection is a Rambler this week.

Just curious, is the location where the Ramblers play right on the campus itself as one heads west just before Sheridan Road turns north? Would it be the same facility where dances are held and if so has it remained the same since their championship in the 60s? As a Northwestern student I attended a dance there at Loyola, but that was decades ago. My other connection with the area was attending a coffee house there where one of the Jazz legends of the time was performing. Oh, then there was that sign as one passed by the closest "L" stop reminding of their championship.
 
Disagree. Duke and KU will be appealing a long as Coach K and Self are there. None of the elite Chicago talent is turning down those two schools for Loyola, UIUC or NU.
I think there are a few other big schools that come into Chicago and IL to recruit than just those two. Up till now, could not stay in Chicago and play big time BB. It is looking more like a recruit can and that might lessen the draw of DUKE, KU and other big programs. If they further push going away from the one and dones, it might also improve keeping them home.
 
This is similar to the former NU argument. "The money is not there." I call BS!! It's the Catholic church. The money is there if the right person knows how to access it.

For better or worse, there may not be many choices for Moser. I could see Xavier if Mack leaves for Louisville. (I don't know why anyone successful would want to leave for that.)

Otherwise, not much else out there.
Maybe not this year but going forward I am sure there will be openings.
 
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