MA Prep School Recruits?

[PurplePimplePopper]

How does it work? I went to prep school in MA, played football and consistently the ISL (independent school league) produces academically inclined D1 prospects but NU seems to offer maybe 1/4 of them. It seems like a no brainer but doesn't seem to be a priority for NU. Northwestern resonates at a school like Milton Academy, Groton Academy, BB&N, Thayer etc.....It's also not a state where there is a dominate local school to compete with....BC? Yikes

As an FYI NU pulled Blake and Bryce Gallagher from St. Sebatians, Eric Olsen from BB&N, Joe Gaziano from Xaverian, recently Donnie Gray from Deerfield so there has been some success but given those recent successful examples i would think NU would be all over any stud from prep school in MA. Currently 8 of the top 10 in MA are from prep schools and number of them have ratings of 5.8 and 5.7 recruits(for whatever those ratings are worth). These guys can qualify for NU, produce on the field and all value the type of education NU offers. I know IL, Houston, OH...maybe AL now are priorities but MA seems to be an area NU is missing. In my mind every top player from the prep leagues should be offered.

Thoughts on why NU doesnt hit it as hard are they could? (yes i know we have a disproportionate amount of success from a small state but we arent offering all the top kids that can qualify)

 

[DaCat]

How does it work? I went to prep school in MA, played football and consistently the ISL (independent school league) produces academically inclined D1 prospects but NU seems to offer maybe 1/4 of them. It seems like a no brainer but doesn't seem to be a priority for NU. Northwestern resonates at a school like Milton Academy, Groton Academy, BB&N, Thayer etc.....It's also not a state where there is a dominate local school to compete with....BC? Yikes

As an FYI NU pulled Blake and Bryce Gallagher from St. Sebatians, Eric Olsen from BB&N, Joe Gaziano from Xaverian, recently Donnie Gray from Deerfield so there has been some success but given those recent successful examples i would think NU would be all over any stud from prep school in MA. Currently 8 of the top 10 in MA are from prep schools and number of them have ratings of 5.8 and 5.7 recruits(for whatever those ratings are worth). These guys can qualify for NU, produce on the field and all value the type of education NU offers. I know IL, Houston, OH...maybe AL now are priorities but MA seems to be an area NU is missing. In my mind every top player from the prep leagues should be offered.

Thoughts on why NU doesnt hit it as hard are they could? (yes i know we have a disproportionate amount of success from a small state but we arent offering all the top kids that can qualify)

It's the same problem NU faces as anywhere else - if a kid wants a big time football experience in college, they go to places like Michigan and N* D*. We've gone after a lot of blue chip recruits from the NEPSAC and landed several like the ones you mention, but also lost out on guys like Zak Zinter (BBN), Kaleel Mullings (Milton), and others. These kids play in quaint little private school environments and perhaps are attracted more by the prospect of playing at the next level in front of 80,000 or 100,000 fans. Can't always blame them.

 

[NREPP Fraud]

Fact is one can get an amazing education at Wisconsin, Indiana, Michigan, Purdue,etc!
Two years ago,Joey McKenna transferred from Stanford to Ohio State to try an get an ncaa title! Kid had a 36 ACT and was a world 🌍 level wrestler in freestyle! I think he attends grad school at UPenn now!
Happens every day of the week!

 

[Jaguar 88]

Fact is one can get an amazing education at Wisconsin, Indiana, Michigan, Purdue,etc!
Two years ago,Joey McKenna transferred from Stanford to Ohio State to try an get an ncaa title! Kid had a 36 ACT and was a world 🌍 level wrestler in freestyle! I think he attends grad school at UPenn now!
Happens every day of the week!

Michigan offers a first class education at a much more affordable price than NU. In fact, Michigan's tuition is about the same as EMU.

 

[d'son d]

Michigan offers a first class education at a much more affordable price than NU. In fact, Michigan's tuition is about the same as EMU.

even for out of state students?

 

[Jaguar 88]

even for out of state students?

U of M instate per year is $15,000+, out of state is $50,000+ per year.

 

[DaCat]

Other schools are good enough, NU is top ten education.

 

[Jaguar 88]

Other schools are good enough, NU is top ten education.

I rather not pay an insane price to send my kid to an ultra woke institution, in which the quality of education is not really head and shoulders better. The education I received from EMU and University of Dayton( a private Catholic university) was basically on par in my opinion, even though the latter was about three times the cost. I know U of D isn't NU, but my point remains the same.

 

[torque-cat]

How does it work? I went to prep school in MA, played football and consistently the ISL (independent school league) produces academically inclined D1 prospects but NU seems to offer maybe 1/4 of them. It seems like a no brainer but doesn't seem to be a priority for NU. Northwestern resonates at a school like Milton Academy, Groton Academy, BB&N, Thayer etc.....It's also not a state where there is a dominate local school to compete with....BC? Yikes

As an FYI NU pulled Blake and Bryce Gallagher from St. Sebatians, Eric Olsen from BB&N, Joe Gaziano from Xaverian, recently Donnie Gray from Deerfield so there has been some success but given those recent successful examples i would think NU would be all over any stud from prep school in MA. Currently 8 of the top 10 in MA are from prep schools and number of them have ratings of 5.8 and 5.7 recruits(for whatever those ratings are worth). These guys can qualify for NU, produce on the field and all value the type of education NU offers. I know IL, Houston, OH...maybe AL now are priorities but MA seems to be an area NU is missing. In my mind every top player from the prep leagues should be offered.

Thoughts on why NU doesnt hit it as hard are they could? (yes i know we have a disproportionate amount of success from a small state but we arent offering all the top kids that can qualify)

I imagine they offer everyone they think is a great fit for the program athletically and academically from prep schools they have a strong connection with. If they don't offer either they've gotten a clear communication of lack of interest or NU coaches don't think the kid is the right fit or they have someone they like better coming on board etc...

 

[corbi296]

I rather not pay an insane price to send my kid to an ultra woke institution, in which the quality of education is not really head and shoulders better. The education I received from EMU and University of Dayton( a private Catholic university) was basically on par in my opinion, even though the latter was about three times the cost. I know U of D isn't NU, but my point remains the same.

LOL, OK. Now that we know your deal, why the hell are you on these boards pretending to be an NU fan? You clearly are not and have no clue what NU is about.

 

[Jaguar 88]

LOL, OK. Now that we know your deal, why the hell are you on these boards pretending to be an NU fan? You clearly are not and have no clue what NU is about.

I have nothing against NU at all. I went to a MAC school for under grad and a private Catholic University for grad school. I really don't believe that there is a really big gap in the actual academics though, not to justify the huge tuitions.

 

[corbi296]

I have nothing against NU at all. I went to a MAC school for under grad and a private Catholic University for grad school. I really don't believe that there is a really big gap in the actual academics though, not to justify the huge tuitions.

I am sure that’s what you believe but I am also sure you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[NUCat320]

Back to OP, I believe that NU hoops has established nice inroads, right?

Falzon, Greer, Simmons, and now Brumbaugh and Hunger are all from Mass private schools, right? Gaines prepped in New Hampshire as well. Seems a valid point.

Good to see some solid Corbi shit-talking tho.

 

[DaCat]

Rap also played a year at Brewster Academy.

 

[AdamOnFirst]

I have nothing against NU at all. I went to a MAC school for under grad and a private Catholic University for grad school. I really don't believe that there is a really big gap in the actual academics though, not to justify the huge tuitions.

All go out on a limb, as a paper carrying NU grad, that… I agree with you. You can get one hell of an education for a third of the price at most of the big flagship state schools in the Big Ten or elsewhere. The quality of the courses themselves isn’t that earth shattering.

Now, the environment of being totally surrounded by driven and highly intelligent people beyond any past experience is something of value on and of itself, and that super duper impressive piece of paper you get at the end of any college experience is even that much more super duper impressive and head turning when it has the NU logo on it. Is it worth the extra $150k to get it?

Maybe. It probably depends on your field. Definitely maybe. I’m not sure. Should the cost of school correlate more with how impressive the degree is than the quality of education? WAY too big a topic to decide here, decide for yourself!

All of this makes me a betrayer of some kind, of course.

 

[RevCat]

All go out on a limb, as a paper carrying NU grad, that… I agree with you. You can get one hell of an education for a third of the price at most of the big flagship state schools in the Big Ten or elsewhere. The quality of the courses themselves isn’t that earth shattering.

Now, the environment of being totally surrounded by driven and highly intelligent people beyond any past experience is something of value on and of itself, and that super duper impressive piece of paper you get at the end of any college experience is even that much more super duper impressive and head turning when it has the NU logo on it. Is it worth the extra $150k to get it?

Maybe. It probably depends on your field. Definitely maybe. I’m not sure. Should the cost of school correlate more with how impressive the degree is than the quality of education? WAY too big a topic to decide here, decide for yourself!

All of this makes me a betrayer of some kind, of course.

Paying 60k to Vandy this year.

You hit all the cogent points. At Vandy my son is surrounded by superelative students. If you can stand that heat, you can thrive. (And my son thrives.) The networking, the rarified thinking, etc is worth it, because he is taking every opportunity and experience to grow.

But the truth is, if you are a self motivated excellent student, you will thrive anywhere. The student credentials "gap" between "elite" schools and better state schools is far greater than the academician credentials at the same schools. What that means is this: Excellent faculty exist everywhere. And they will take a great deal of interest in anyone who is self motivated, academically inclined and hard working. So there will be plenty of opportunities and experiences for said students. And yes, you will get one hell of an education.

 

[hdhntr1]

Michigan offers a first class education at a much more affordable price than NU. In fact, Michigan's tuition is about the same as EMU.

But they are on scholarship. If you are talking every day student, agree you can get a solid education at Mich or Uof IL and others. That is why middle class no longer represented at NU. Better deal at some of the state schools with comparable education

 

[hdhntr1]

U of M instate per year is $15,000+, out of state is $50,000+ per year.

Still cheaper than NU. What you do have to deal with is the massive size vs NU. But similar things could be said about UofI vs NU

 

[hdhntr1]

LOL, OK. Now that we know your deal, why the hell are you on these boards pretending to be an NU fan? You clearly are not and have no clue what NU is about.

Look, he is coming from the standpoint of a middle class student and was comparing two schools with comparable education but vastly different cost. Not a direct comparison with NU. But substitute UofIL or Uof M vs NU and a similar difference in cost and maybe you will get what he is talking about. The group most seriously seriously affected is the middle class. Very, very hard to justify paying three times the price for a relatively minor difference in quality of the education. Middle class was prevalent when I went but it is basically non existent at NU now because they can get a similar education for 1/3 the price elsewhere

 

[hdhntr1]

All go out on a limb, as a paper carrying NU grad, that… I agree with you. You can get one hell of an education for a third of the price at most of the big flagship state schools in the Big Ten or elsewhere. The quality of the courses themselves isn’t that earth shattering.

Now, the environment of being totally surrounded by driven and highly intelligent people beyond any past experience is something of value on and of itself, and that super duper impressive piece of paper you get at the end of any college experience is even that much more super duper impressive and head turning when it has the NU logo on it. Is it worth the extra $150k to get it?

Maybe. It probably depends on your field. Definitely maybe. I’m not sure. Should the cost of school correlate more with how impressive the degree is than the quality of education? WAY too big a topic to decide here, decide for yourself!

All of this makes me a betrayer of some kind, of course.

It depends on if you have to pay if. If you are poor, you will basically go for little or no cost. If your family is rich, they can afford it but if you are from a middle class family, they will give you loans. And as far as what you are surrounded by, it is often something you chose. When I went, I paid my own way and felt it was worth it. I would have a hard time making that argument today

 

[hdhntr1]

All go out on a limb, as a paper carrying NU grad, that… I agree with you. You can get one hell of an education for a third of the price at most of the big flagship state schools in the Big Ten or elsewhere. The quality of the courses themselves isn’t that earth shattering.

Now, the environment of being totally surrounded by driven and highly intelligent people beyond any past experience is something of value on and of itself, and that super duper impressive piece of paper you get at the end of any college experience is even that much more super duper impressive and head turning when it has the NU logo on it. Is it worth the extra $150k to get it?

Maybe. It probably depends on your field. Definitely maybe. I’m not sure. Should the cost of school correlate more with how impressive the degree is than the quality of education? WAY too big a topic to decide here, decide for yourself!

All of this makes me a betrayer of some kind, of course.

Not just your field but how you are going to pay for it.

 

[hoosboot]

Look, he is coming from the standpoint of a middle class student and was comparing two schools with comparable education but vastly different cost. Not a direct comparison with NU. But substitute UofIL or Uof M vs NU and a similar difference in cost and maybe you will get what he is talking about. The group most seriously seriously affected is the middle class. Very, very hard to justify paying three times the price for a relatively minor difference in quality of the education. Middle class was prevalent when I went but it is basically non existent at NU now because they can get a similar education for 1/3 the price elsewhere

1/3? I suppose if your state's flagship university is comparable AND you can get in to that school, maybe, but in a lot of instances that's not the case. The out-of-state tuition for Michigan is $51,000 while Northwestern tuition is $56,000 and Illinois is $47,000. A lot of it also depends on what you want to study and what you are looking for in a university experience. But while Michigan and Northwestern are comparable on a national level, Illinois really isn't in more areas than not.

 

[FanatiCat]

It depends on if you have to pay if. If you are poor, you will basically go for little or no cost. If your family is rich, they can afford it but if you are from a middle class family, they will give you loans. And as far as what you are surrounded by, it is often something you chose. When I went, I paid my own way and felt it was worth it. I would have a hard time making that argument today

An interesting dichotomy and maybe a variation of a “regressive tax” on middle class. Lower and lower middle class pay nothing, upper class can afford to pay out of pocket but much of the middle class cannot access elite private institutions because the loans are just too much these days.

 

[Jaguar 88]

LOL, OK. Now that we know your deal, why the hell are you on these boards pretending to be an NU fan? You clearly are not and have no clue what NU is about.

Then tell me why NU's enrollment has gone down as of late? I am not pretending jack shit. The University has to make a choice if it wants a big-time football program, or get stuck with 3 star recruits that can't produce. The realities of the new CFB rules of the game do not favor the current way the University actually is. You actually think these four and five star recruits care about a top ten education when Rivals has already have them projected to play on Sunday? Going to university is just a portal to the promised land. Having that diploma isn't a top selling point.

 

[corbi296]

Then tell me why NU's enrollment has gone down as of late? I am not pretending jack shit. The University has to make a choice if it wants a big-time football program, or get stuck with 3 star recruits that can't produce. The realities of the new CFB rules of the game do not favor the current way the University actually is. You actually think these four and five star recruits care about a top ten education when Rivals has already have them projected to play on Sunday? Going to university is just a portal to the promised land. Having that diploma isn't a top selling point.

like I said, you obviously don’t know nor understand much about NU and it’s philosophy. Your post only reaffirms that beyond the shadow of a doubt.

 

[pittcat90]

An interesting dichotomy and maybe a variation of a “regressive tax” on middle class. Lower and lower middle class pay nothing, upper class can afford to pay out of pocket but much of the middle class cannot access elite private institutions because the loans are just too much these days.

I think the tuition burden on the middle class is somewhat overstated. Both my wife and I are teachers (I'm at a public school, and she is at an independent private school). According to the charts I have looked at, we are pretty much the definition of middle class. My daughter went to Cornell University and, thanks to financial aid, paid less for four years than she would have at University of Pittsburgh or Penn State. NU's financial aid would have been a similar package.

If students from a middle-income background are less of a proportion at NU than they used to be, I would point much more strongly at things like private tutors, test prep classes, and other things that kids from higher income families can afford much more easily than those from lower incomes. Those, plus the ease of applying to different schools via the Common App, have skewed and expanded the applicant pool to the point where admission is essentially a game of roulette.

 

[AdamOnFirst]

Then tell me why NU's enrollment has gone down as of late? I am not pretending jack shit. The University has to make a choice if it wants a big-time football program, or get stuck with 3 star recruits that can't produce. The realities of the new CFB rules of the game do not favor the current way the University actually is. You actually think these four and five star recruits care about a top ten education when Rivals has already have them projected to play on Sunday? Going to university is just a portal to the promised land. Having that diploma isn't a top selling point.

"3 stAR rECrUIts tHAt CanT pRODucE"

wut

 

[CatManTrue]

How does it work? I went to prep school in MA, played football and consistently the ISL (independent school league) produces academically inclined D1 prospects but NU seems to offer maybe 1/4 of them. It seems like a no brainer but doesn't seem to be a priority for NU. Northwestern resonates at a school like Milton Academy, Groton Academy, BB&N, Thayer etc.....It's also not a state where there is a dominate local school to compete with....BC? Yikes

As an FYI NU pulled Blake and Bryce Gallagher from St. Sebatians, Eric Olsen from BB&N, Joe Gaziano from Xaverian, recently Donnie Gray from Deerfield so there has been some success but given those recent successful examples i would think NU would be all over any stud from prep school in MA. Currently 8 of the top 10 in MA are from prep schools and number of them have ratings of 5.8 and 5.7 recruits(for whatever those ratings are worth). These guys can qualify for NU, produce on the field and all value the type of education NU offers. I know IL, Houston, OH...maybe AL now are priorities but MA seems to be an area NU is missing. In my mind every top player from the prep leagues should be offered.

Thoughts on why NU doesnt hit it as hard are they could? (yes i know we have a disproportionate amount of success from a small state but we arent offering all the top kids that can qualify)

I have no idea w/r to the original question. But I wanted to commend @PurplePimplePopper on an excellent handle.

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

I have no idea w/r to the original question. But I wanted to commend @PurplePimplePopper on an excellent handle.

You scouring through the posts you missed 4 months ago?

 

[CatManTrue]

You scouring through the posts you missed 4 months ago?

This popped up in the “recommended posts” section at the bottom, and I felt compelled to compliment a pretty funny handle. PPP also raised an excellent question.

Apparently I missed a lot a few months ago - should I keep digging?

 

[hdhntr1]

1/3? I suppose if your state's flagship university is comparable AND you can get in to that school, maybe, but in a lot of instances that's not the case. The out-of-state tuition for Michigan is $51,000 while Northwestern tuition is $56,000 and Illinois is $47,000. A lot of it also depends on what you want to study and what you are looking for in a university experience. But while Michigan and Northwestern are comparable on a national level, Illinois really isn't in more areas than not.

In state tuition at IL is something like $15-8K including fees. UofM about $15k. Both are very good schools. There are plenty of others. And yes both cost about 1/3 what NU costs for the middle class student (have not included room and board but the areas of those public schools often have more reasonable options). Now if you are going to those schools OOS, you are basically paying for private school and that is a different discussion. But there are plenty quality public schools across the country and some states have reciprocity for their state schools such as WI, IA and MN. Ans supposedly if you can get into NU, it would be likely you could also get into those state schools. As far as what you want to study, those state schools are likely to have a broader group of options than an NU. And some programs at state schools are flat out better. Computer Science at IL for example blows away NU's offerings in that area.

Just saying for the middle class student's family, pretty hard to justify the difference in cost between a solid public university and a private school such as NU (or OOS public university)

 

[hdhntr1]

Then tell me why NU's enrollment has gone down as of late? I am not pretending jack shit. The University has to make a choice if it wants a big-time football program, or get stuck with 3 star recruits that can't produce. The realities of the new CFB rules of the game do not favor the current way the University actually is. You actually think these four and five star recruits care about a top ten education when Rivals has already have them projected to play on Sunday? Going to university is just a portal to the promised land. Having that diploma isn't a top selling point.

For some it is but for many in the high 4 -5 star athletes it often means a lot less. And in addition, only 10-20% would even be able to get through NU admissions so NU have far fewer available targets

 

[hdhntr1]

I think the tuition burden on the middle class is somewhat overstated. Both my wife and I are teachers (I'm at a public school, and she is at an independent private school). According to the charts I have looked at, we are pretty much the definition of middle class. My daughter went to Cornell University and, thanks to financial aid, paid less for four years than she would have at University of Pittsburgh or Penn State. NU's financial aid would have been a similar package.

If students from a middle-income background are less of a proportion at NU than they used to be, I would point much more strongly at things like private tutors, test prep classes, and other things that kids from higher income families can afford much more easily than those from lower incomes. Those, plus the ease of applying to different schools via the Common App, have skewed and expanded the applicant pool to the point where admission is essentially a game of roulette.

Isn't NU assistance (true aid and not just loans)more based on need than anything else? So if the family income is say $100-150K (middle class varies by state and ranges are all over the place up to $230K according to one site) would they be giving true aid or just loans? I don't disagree that more well off families have better tools for getting their kids in but facing and extra $200K in loans is a hard proposition to a family in that upper middle income range.

 

[StreamCat]

Just saying for the middle class student's family, pretty hard to justify the difference in cost between a solid public university and a private school such as NU (or OOS public university)

Hey folks, use initials judiciously. By the time I figured out what OOS was, I forgot the topic we were discussing.

 

[EvanstonCat]

Hey folks, use initials judiciously. By the time I figured out what OOS was, I forgot the topic we were discussing.

What does OOS stand for? Offensively-corrupt Ohio State?

 

[hdhntr1]

What does OOS stand for? Offensively-corrupt Ohio State?

No just Out of State.

 

[KramerCat91]

I have no idea w/r to the original question. But I wanted to commend @PurplePimplePopper on an excellent handle.

Very narrow niche is popping purple pimples.