Matt Nicholson vs Ryan Young? Who ya got?
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Put them behind the 🪵 shed. Whoever comes back alive, that’s who I got. 🩸
Unless Matt uses some 🦵 speed to run away like a little b$&@$. That could happen.
Or have a 🕺 off. I would get on board with that.
Put them behind the 🪵 shed. Whoever comes back alive, that’s who I got. 🩸
Unless Matt uses some 🦵 speed to run away like a little b$&@$. That could happen.
Or have a 🕺 off. I would get on board with that.
It would have been nice to have both Big Matt and Young. No question Nance had to go and couldn't wait for him to get out of town. Young was not used correctly and I'm sure he was frustrated. He would have fit in well with this team. Nance on the other hand was soft and an underachiever who would kill the chemistry of this team.
If Young were here, then MN would not play. Both need to be within 10, feet of the hoop. Everyone would be screaming for Youngs offense and forget he is one of the worse pick and roll, hedge defenders.
I'll take MN all day.
Both Young and Nanace were added to top 10 teams and those teams are struggling.
When they were both here, this team struggled.
Now they are gone and this team is in first place and have beat some tough big 10 opponents.
I'll take MN all day.
Both Young and Nanace were added to top 10 teams and those teams are struggling.
When they were both here, this team struggled.
Now they are gone and this team is in first place and have beat some tough big 10 opponents.
I disagree. If Young were still here, he and Matt would split time like Tydus and Matt usually do. They have different skill sets, Ryan with great low post moves and Matt with great athleticism. NU would not have gotten Tydus, or if they did Tydus would back up Beran for 8 minutes a game.
So much stupidity on this board. I know some of it is intentional so folks can beat their chosen narrative into the ground. But at some point can we have a reality check? Nance averaged 14.5 points a game, shot 50 percent from the field, 45 percent from 3 to lead the conference and averaged 6.5 rebounds, 2.6 assists and 1.1 blocks a game. The conference was much better last year and we were in a bunch of games that we lost in the last couple of minutes against better teams, including both games against Illinois and the Michigan and Wisconsin games. That suggests to me that our offense and defense were good enough and we just couldn’t finish games. Nance was not a go-to scorer at all but he had a very good year. If Chase were healthy and didn’t shoot 33 percent from the field and 25 percent from 3, I think we would have won 3 or 4 more games last year and possibly made the tournament. Nance is a complimentary player and he needed Audige and Buie to finish games. I think he would have gladly deferred to Audige but that was not an option last year given how Audige was shooting.
Difficult to predict Chemistry, but its hard to imagine that straight up trading 17 minutes of Verhoeven for Nance wouldn't be worth several points.
I'm surprised and delighted by the 'Cats play so far this year. Every year is different, sometimes completely by accident. Undoubtedly, we were due for some good mojo!
It would have been interesting to see how Casey Simmons fit on this year's team.
Yes. Another defensive guy off the bench. Don't think he would have made a big impact offensively though, Barnman would still get the majority of minutes at wing.
He’s not listed on Yale’s roster. Have no idea what happened there.
Casey transferred late and cannot play until next year.
Young is too much of a defensive liability. The center from BC ate him up the other day.
Also the commentators were mentioning the fact that Young can only play with his back to the basket and that was affecting Filapowski who had a advantage on offense. Young was in the way. When Duje swings the ball and Young has it in the high post. BC played 5 feet off of him. No way he was going to shoot or score.
So if he were here, Boo and Chase would be limited going to the basket.. MN is a lob threat.. Young is not.
Not saying he is a bad person or bad player. Just does not fit this system.
Young is too much of a defensive liability. The center from BC ate him up the other day.
Also the commentators were mentioning the fact that Young can only play with his back to the basket and that was affecting Filapowski who had a advantage on offense. Young was in the way. When Duje swings the ball and Young has it in the high post. BC played 5 feet off of him. No way he was going to shoot or score.
So if he were here, Boo and Chase would be limited going to the basket.. MN is a lob threat.. Young is not.
Not saying he is a bad person or bad player. Just does not fit this system.
Agreed. Basically we would have Young and Nicholson playing minutes without needing to put in Tydus. We would be better off. And we would have the option to favor defense or offense depending on the situation.
The other guy who we are supposedly better off without had an excellent stat sheet. And is the type of player who will gladly defer to others, team first type of guy.
It’s silly to say we wouldn’t be better off with either of them. Nance or Young in the rotation instead of Tydus? You’d have to be nuts to think that wouldn’t be a massive upgrade.
I don't think NU would be better with Nance. Maybe the same record, but defense would be worse. Nance is a horrible defender, and taking minutes from the surprisingly effective Berry would hurt. NU has a guard-oriented offense that (finally) drives to the bucket rather than one that features a statue shooting 3's like Nance. The speed and flow of the offense this season is something to behold, at least when it is working. And it works best when NU can create turnovers on defense.
Let's assume what you are saying is 100% true. Which might be. It comes down to how you manage your roster. You don't allow sacred cows to play just because they've been around or something like that. If you had to bench Nance this season, you would bench him. So many iterations are possible. Sacred cows are, for me, what killed last season more than anything else - that was not even Nance, IMO it was Beran. And what's happening this season, and hopefully continues, does not erase it.
In the end, arguing that a stronger roster, with two very capable players, is worse than a roster with less solutions, is probably wrong. I am not denying that chemistry can be altered and in fact a weaker roster can produce better results. But in 90%+ it does not.
I am not even going into scenarios of injuries, which might and probably will till happen.
I don't know the answer to that question. I can't remember which were MN and which were RB. And they showed one replay. Could not figure out if they were all clean. They did not dissect it on TV.
I was stunned, clean or not, they swallowed their whistles. It was at Assembly Hall, it was Jackson Davis, it was a play I don't think anyone would contest if they called a foul. I don't think it is refereed that way if we are not seen as a "physical team". I don't see that play not being a foul in any other season. One of those plays it does not go your way unless the refs instincts respect you.
I am probably reading too much into it.
Nance would take min from Beran and Tydus. I think he’d be an improvement. Excellent help defender. Similar defensively to Beran. Much better scorer than Tydus. Better scorer than Beran.
Young would take min from Tydus and MN. While Young is a better player than Tydus the offense and defense isn’t built for a player like Young. I also wouldn’t want him taking min from MN. He fits the identity of this team really well. Young’s not a post presence defensively and is to slow guard quicker 5’s. Defensively he would hurt this team.
Offensively is where he shines but he would clog the paint up and isn’t quick enough to roll down into the post on high ball screens as effectively as MN or Tyus. Very good back to basket player. At times can make very skilled and smart passes out of the post. Scores with very good post footwork and timely pump-fakes.
Young would be nice to have when the offense is struggling because he is an efficient scorer. The team could dump the ball down to him and let him work for some high percentage looks. However he doesn’t fit the mold of this team as well offensively since it is built around driving guards. Audige and Buie creating penetration and initiating the offense. A player that needs to be on the low blocks to be effective on offense would not be ideal in this offense. When the offense is running well he’d not be the best option for the 5 on the team.
Young I’m not sure how it would affect the team as much because if this team performs well I don’t think he helps them out as much as he changes their identity. Defense first and guard oriented. If the team is off their game Young is a reliable scorer in the post and would be nice during offensive cold spells.
I don’t think Young would be a massive upgrade to the team overall even though he is a much better player than Tydus. I do however think Nance would be a massive upgrade but that’s assuming that doesn’t change chemistry and/or players buying into the system.
At least one was the backboard. I think those were clean. Our guys were straight up and between them and the backboard, they just made a wall around TJD. It was great stuff, except the ball kept falling straight back into his hands. Of course, if one of our guys reach over to try and grab the ball, they would no longer be vertical and probably get called for a foul at that point.
That was an incredible sequence. I watched it again today several times. It was, I believe, Beran who got his hand in for the first block, then Nicholson for the next two. Nicholson had position under the basket, but Beran was right behind TJD, and somehow his length was enough to not get called for reaching in/over.
I was surprised as well. All the IU fans around me were complaining even though we were so far away we had no clue if there was a foul or not. Reminded me of Pippen and others blocking Charles Smith of the Knicks in the 90's playoff game.
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I don't know about that play but you are 100% right about refs calling games based on their perceptions of the teams. Subtle but for sure.
Because not a 5 - cannot defend the five. Cannot defend the post and struggled to post. Who knows how he would be at the four under Lowery.
Agreed - playing Beran through his development while sitting MN is an example of incompetency and lack of creativity. But then, PN was consistently played as a 5.
This is all a very silly exercise to suggest we are better off without those two. In the end, there’s a (albeit small) chance we might be. Or we might have an injury next week and long for one of them.
Purdue is, at least for now, the cream of the crop of the conference. Is it conceivable someone came to Matt Painter and said “hey, do you want these two on your roster?” And he’d pass? No. There’s not a version of the multi verse where that happens. And, yet, here we are arguing we are better off without two solid veteran players.
Folks want to feel better about them leaving, have at it. I guess in that case it fulfills a purpose. Like you I believe the reason we might have been worse with them last year (hope that holds true through the rest of the season) than we are this year is the way they were managed. And not their existence.
Congratulations Bob, you hit the Superfecta of old tired complaints. What’s next, McCall was fired too late?
I really don’t see all that much, we would be better off without Pete and RY. Pete was our best player last season and it wasn’t that close. Having said that, I think the team deferred to Pete more than they should have. Talented or not, Pete was tentative in big moments. Chase and Boo are not afraid to be that guy. Sure, it results in some wild periods of play and may cost NU at some point, but there now is a clear pecking order on offense. I always felt everyone had to get “theirs” with the team the last 3 years. We have now been able to win close games and hold leads.
Big Matt and Barney were not ready to be meaningful contributors last year. They are now. Berry looks like a different guy and Roper plays the defensive role well. Players have stepped up because they had to. While Pete and RY would definitely make you more dangerous on offense, they do very little for you on defense. It’s just a different team.
I didn’t expect what we have seen thus far with NU. I like the grit this team plays with and frankly it’s been way more fun to watch than any team Pete and RY were part of. The pieces seem to fit better and that’s not to justify feeling better about them leaving. We have 🦵 speed. I was tired of seeing a dozen lightly contested lay ups for our opposition. Man, I really hope Chase is OK and we can keep this up!
OMG 😳 I got a man crush on you and Matt! Matt plays defense! Young saw the writing ✍️on the wall and hit the portal! Just like that traitor/ benchwarmer Kopp/ Brandon Joseph! Northwestern has a great campus, student body, and profs! No need to transfer! Just sayin!
as stated by some of us early last season, Young should have been starting at center, with Nicholson getting experience as his backup.
Nance should have been starting at the 4, with Beran being his backup or playing small forward.
All subsequent evidence supports it.
So when Ignore2 wrote "Nance was terribly misused - not his fault" he was talking about Nance being forced to defend the 5 against much more physical players. Clarificationcat called him stupid for writing that, but Clarcat apparently missed Ignore2's point.
Unfortunate, because the rest of his comment about Nance's performance was insightful.
Nance should have been starting at the 4, with Beran being his backup or playing small forward.
All subsequent evidence supports it.
So when Ignore2 wrote "Nance was terribly misused - not his fault" he was talking about Nance being forced to defend the 5 against much more physical players. Clarificationcat called him stupid for writing that, but Clarcat apparently missed Ignore2's point.
Unfortunate, because the rest of his comment about Nance's performance was insightful.
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