Miles O'Neil - Class of 24 QB From NJ

[corbi296]

If we are going to recruit relatively immobile pocket passers in the transfer market, I have to wonder why we have heard nothing about NU being interested in this good looking pocket passer from NJ. The kid is right in Bajakian's backyard so we must know about him. Not my preferred cup of tea for our offense but it's not like the kid we are recruiting from Tennessee is a sure thing to come to NU. We need more irons in the fire at the Qb position. I hope we are talking to this kid.

Miles O'Neill on Hudl

Watch Miles O'Neill's videos and highlights on Hudl. More info: The Hun School of Princeton - Boys Varsity Football / QB / Class of 2024 / Princeton, NJ

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[hdhntr1]

If we are going to recruit relatively immobile pocket passers in the transfer market, I have to wonder why we have heard nothing about NU being interested in this good looking pocket passer from NJ. The kid is right in Bajakian's backyard so we must know about him. Not my preferred cup of tea for our offense but it's not like the kid we are recruiting from Tennessee is a sure thing to come to NU. We need more irons in the fire at the Qb position. I hope we are talking to this kid.

Miles O'Neill on Hudl

Watch Miles O'Neill's videos and highlights on Hudl. More info: The Hun School of Princeton - Boys Varsity Football / QB / Class of 2024 / Princeton, NJ

www.hudl.com

We have taken more pocket passers from portal but not so much out of HS. Could be what is available for us in portal after we have not gotten it done out of HS. Also pocket passer has to be more aware and they are generally not out of HS so they are more vulnerable to the pass rush without the ability to elude

 

[gocatsgo2003]

If we are going to recruit relatively immobile pocket passers in the transfer market, I have to wonder why we have heard nothing about NU being interested in this good looking pocket passer from NJ. The kid is right in Bajakian's backyard so we must know about him. Not my preferred cup of tea for our offense but it's not like the kid we are recruiting from Tennessee is a sure thing to come to NU. We need more irons in the fire at the Qb position. I hope we are talking to this kid.

Miles O'Neill on Hudl

Watch Miles O'Neill's videos and highlights on Hudl. More info: The Hun School of Princeton - Boys Varsity Football / QB / Class of 2024 / Princeton, NJ

www.hudl.com

Because we aren’t regularly recruiting relatively immobile kids. Glover, Moga, and Grunkemeyer are all solid athletes.

 

[corbi296]

Because we aren’t regularly recruiting relatively immobile kids. Glover, Moga, and Grunkemeyer are all solid athletes.

Agreed. So let's top whiffing on all of them and if we do whiff on our HS targets let's stop bringing in stop gap players from the transfer who do not possess the physical traits we require in QBs we recruit out of the HS ranks.

 

[gocatsgo2003]

Agreed. So let's top whiffing on all of them and if we do whiff on our HS targets let's stop bringing in stop gap players from the transfer who do not possess the physical traits we require in QBs we recruit out of the HS ranks.

We aren’t exactly in position to be terribly choosy…

Feeling confident in Glover.

 

[corbi296]

We aren’t exactly in position to be terribly choosy…

Feeling confident in Glover.

I hope so. Glover would be great and is a perfect fit.

We should have reciprocated Mike Wright’s interest in us.

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

I hope so. Glover would be great and is a perfect fit.

We should have reciprocated Mike Wright’s interest in us.

Our OC has done zero with QB’s since he got here. Why would a QB with several good options come into this offense. Jake needs to show something finally this year. He has peaked after 1 game most seasons.

 

[corbi296]

Our OC has done zero with QB’s since he got here. Why would a QB with several good options come into this offense. Jake needs to show something finally this year. He has peaked after 1 game most seasons.

It's put up or shut up time for Jake. He needs to start proving he can land QB recruits like Anderson lands OL recruits.

 

[gocatsgo2003]

I hope so. Glover would be great and is a perfect fit.

We should have reciprocated Mike Wright’s interest in us.

You think you have to convince me on Mike Wright?

PS — I would be highly skeptical of O’Neill at this point. He transferred to Hun this off-season after playing at a much lower level in Massachusetts and only completed 51 of 77 attempts last season based on what I can find. A pure scouting play, which is a BIG roll of the dice (see Whittaker, Jason).

 

[Frabjous]

Grunkemeyer to Penn State.

 

[hdhntr1]

Our OC has done zero with QB’s since he got here. Why would a QB with several good options come into this offense. Jake needs to show something finally this year. He has peaked after 1 game most seasons.

To be fair, he was not really dealt a good hand. Kids we had in the system were not really a match for what he wanted. Just starting to get his HS recruits into place. Not saying he does not have to start to prove himself again but I just have a little more patience for his position as he has shown to be successful elsewhere and here and he was pretty handicapped here with limited WR and below average line play for most of his tenure. Also often starting with poor field position and game situation due to a really poor D the last couple years. So while my leash for him is a bit longer (I can see him getting next year) it is still relatively short

 

[stpaulcat]

To be fair, he was not really dealt a good hand. Kids we had in the system were not really a match for what he wanted. Just starting to get his HS recruits into place. Not saying he does not have to start to prove himself again but I just have a little more patience for his position as he has shown to be successful elsewhere and here and he was pretty handicapped here with limited WR and below average line play for most of his tenure. Also often starting with poor field position and game situation due to a really poor D the last couple years. So while my leash for him is a bit longer (I can see him getting next year) it is still relatively short

The McCall factor? McCall was good recruiting and developing QB's, but didn't in his later years at least put together solid offenses. We won by defense. with decent QB play and the occasional stellar RB. New OC and really bad defense for a couple of years was a formula for a drop off in QB recruiting, and play.

 

[docrugby1]

To be fair, he was not really dealt a good hand. Kids we had in the system were not really a match for what he wanted. Just starting to get his HS recruits into place. Not saying he does not have to start to prove himself again but I just have a little more patience for his position as he has shown to be successful elsewhere and here and he was pretty handicapped here with limited WR and below average line play for most of his tenure. Also often starting with poor field position and game situation due to a really poor D the last couple years. So while my leash for him is a bit longer (I can see him getting next year) it is still relatively short

Institute an offense that will attract quality QBs, RBs and WRs. NU's offense has not been productive for years. It is boring, unimaginative, and allows seemingly inferior teams to beat NU and prevents NU from beating many teams. The defense of NU's offense that it was complementary was a laughable excuse for an ineffective system, that refused to adjust to changing times .

 

[peatymeanis]

The McCall factor? McCall was good recruiting and developing QB's, but didn't in his later years at least put together solid offenses. We won by defense. with decent QB play and the occasional stellar RB. New OC and really bad defense for a couple of years was a formula for a drop off in QB recruiting, and play.

Fitz is on record hating high octane offense. He wants to win every game 17-14. What stud HS qb wants to come into this sort of system and offensive philosophy? Fitz preaches trust, but he doesn't trust his special teams or offense to show their skills.

 

[hdhntr1]

The McCall factor? McCall was good recruiting and developing QB's, but didn't in his later years at least put together solid offenses. We won by defense. with decent QB play and the occasional stellar RB. New OC and really bad defense for a couple of years was a formula for a drop off in QB recruiting, and play.

Not arguing that he did not start out well. And recruiting for the position was not just him. But the last few years of QB recruiting under him were disasters, starting with the guy from Colorado that they had to move on from after he was charged. Even though I am not necessarily blaming that on him, let's review.

2015 no QB taken
2016 Aidan Smith one other P5 offer from BC Early enough
2017 Andrew Marty No other P5 offers
2018 Jason Whittaker More of a TE Had a couple other offers from IN and ISU
2019 no QB taken
2020 Carl Richardson one other P5 offer Washington State Verballed 12/20/19

Real murderers row there. So which one of those guys was he supposed to get us to the promised land with?

That led to the need for transfers such as Ramsey, HJ and Hillinski. Jake did a descent job with Ramsey. Was not able to get it done with HJ or Hillinsky so far

 

[corbi296]

Institute an offense that will attract quality QBs, RBs and WRs. NU's offense has not been productive for years. It is boring, unimaginative, and allows seemingly inferior teams to beat NU and prevents NU from beating many teams. The defense of NU's offense that it was complementary was a laughable excuse for an ineffective system, that refused to adjust to changing times .

LOL, there's nothing laughable about complementary football. It is a successful formula that has stood the test of time and will continue to do so as long as the game of football is played. NU's unprecedented success under Fitz is partly due to that philosophy which has enabled NU to outperform teams that often had more individual talent. Whether talented young football players in today's game are still willing to subjugate their individual goals & statistics for the good of team success is a legitimate question that I no longer can answer as definitively as I was able to ten years ago.

 

[peatymeanis]

LOL, there's nothing laughable about complementary football. It is a successful formula that has stood the test of time and will continue to do so as long as the game of football is played. NU's unprecedented success under Fitz is partly due to that philosophy which has enabled NU to outperform teams that often had more individual talent. Whether talented young football players in today's game are still willing to subjugate their individual goals & statistics for the good of team success is a legitimate question that I no longer can answer as definitively as I was able to ten years ago.

 

[hdhntr1]

Institute an offense that will attract quality QBs, RBs and WRs. NU's offense has not been productive for years. It is boring, unimaginative, and allows seemingly inferior teams to beat NU and prevents NU from beating many teams. The defense of NU's offense that it was complementary was a laughable excuse for an ineffective system, that refused to adjust to changing times .

The goal for the coach is to win games We have been at a talent deficit vs our opponents for as long as I can remember and that doed not seem to be changing anytime soon. Complimentary FB was a means of addressing this talent deficit and it worked here as it has worked elsewhere. We cannot consistently win shootouts against much more talented foes. But complimentary football gave us a chance to do that. Establish a solid D and make sure the O did not put them in a bad position. And take your shots when you had the opportunity. We did it and it worked.

Ask yourself, is it better to win or lose in a shootout every week. To my, I would rather see us win. Complmentary FB gives us a shot at those wins. With our generally lower level talent hard to say anything else does

 

[corbi296]

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LOL. If by being out touch you mean I don't buy into selfish individualism and prioritizing the good of the few at the expense of the many in any context, then I am guilty as charged. Happily so.

 

[Katatonic]

The McCall factor? McCall was good recruiting and developing QB's, but didn't in his later years at least put together solid offenses. We won by defense. with decent QB play and the occasional stellar RB. New OC and really bad defense for a couple of years was a formula for a drop off in QB recruiting, and play.

That's highly debatable.

Fitz is on record hating high octane offense. He wants to win every game 17-14. What stud HS qb wants to come into this sort of system and offensive philosophy? Fitz preaches trust, but he doesn't trust his special teams or offense to show their skills.

Outdated in this time of high octane offenses, but even so, Fitz talks the talk, but hasn't been able to walk the walk.

If you want a conservative, ball control O, you need at least an above average O-line and the Cats have repeatedly failed in that regard.

And even if Fitz finally manages to assemble an above avg, O-line, then congrats?

You've just become a lesser facsimile of the Badgers, a team prone to getting beat handily by the best teams from the B1GE.

LOL, there's nothing laughable about complementary football. It is a successful formula that has stood the test of time and will continue to do so as long as the game of football is played. NU's unprecedented success under Fitz is partly due to that philosophy which has enabled NU to outperform teams that often had more individual talent. Whether talented young football players in today's game are still willing to subjugate their individual goals & statistics for the good of team success is a legitimate question that I no longer can answer as definitively as I was able to ten years ago.

You keep saying this, but for most of the time under Fitz's tenure, the O has not been "complementary", but a drag on the Hank-led D which all too often had to make Herculean efforts to win games.

If the Cats just had an average O, would have won more games (and at least 1 more B1GW title) and wouldn't have had so many bad losses, much less horrible seasons.

At least Iowa fans know that their O is and has been an issue.

 

[peatymeanis]

Outdated in this time of high octane offenses, but even so, Fitz talks the talk, but hasn't been able to walk the walk.

If you want a conservative, ball control O, you need at least an above average O-line and the Cats have repeatedly failed in that regard.

Agree that Fitz doesn't walk the walk. Given the importance of the oline in his stated philosophy, oline recruitment and development should be the highest priority. And yet Fitz passed off that responsibility to his incompetent buddy Adam Cushing for years.