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In no particular order (I tend to have a post open and type out/update things as they pop into my head as I'm re-watching)...

1) The three-man rush should be banished to hell. I feel the same way about our single-back, under center look. We just don't have the OL to make that work consistently, especially when it's short yardage and the defense knows what's coming. Either get more creative with that package or scrap it entirely.

2) Godwin is getting a little lazy with his eyes, "peeking" into the backfield to try to make gamechanging plays rather than the proper plays. Got burned deep on the first drive because of it, then pretty close another couple times. Queiro also took some pretty awful angles throughout the game. All in all, the veteran safeties have left a lot to want for with plenty of things to clean up.

3) Fisher is good. Really good. Has a very natural way of picking his way through traffic, then finishing the tackle upon arrival. I can recall only one play that he didn't make. The linebackers should be in good shape next season with Fisher and Hall along with a bevy of promising newcomers to compete with the guys already on the roster.

4) Mick called an excellent game from the start. His gameplan correctly assumed that MSU would stack the box to stop the run and was loaded with "beaters," both play-action and underneath drag/pick routes. Only a handful of play calls I didn't like, most notably Thorson pulling the ball on a couple short-yardage plays; Clayton always seems to go horizontal in those situations, which isn't exactly what you want to do on short yardage.

5) The defense did well in a "bend-don't-break" sense, but sure left some big plays out there. Hartage dropping an easy pick, Igwebuike dropping an appreciably more difficult pick, LJ Scott's fumble that was luckily backed up by another fumble, Moe missing an admittedly difficult play on the muffed punt, McGee getting jostled on the floater over the middle in the fourth quarter, etc. Those are the kind of plays that can make a big difference in close games and we were lucky none had a big impact on the game. Sparty can obviously point to the two "doink'd" field goals as the difference in the game, but we could just as easily point to those couple plays we left between the lines as potential difference makers.

6) Somewhat surprised that Fitz didn't challenge the play when MSU's long snapper downed a punt inside the one. Looked to me like he carried it across the line and field position was HUGE at that point in the game.

7) While they ended up making some big plays down the stretch, the receiving group has to do a better job consistently catching the ball. The "Thorson throws fastballs" narrative is overplayed, especially when the ball hits the receiver in the hands. You're a P5 wideout. Catch the damn ball.

8) His stat line isn't that impressive, but Justin Jackson is just f*****g magical. He's always turning 1-yard gains into 4 and 2-yards into 6. He got us a couple first downs basically on his own, plus a couple big blitz pickups down the stretch. Deserves every accolade headed his way and then some.

9) Scoring right before the half then getting the ball right back might be my favorite thing ever, sad though that may be. Wish we did more with our possession coming out of halftime. Wilson had a step on the deep pass, but he's never really going to be that downfield guy. Skowronek has to make the play with Thorson rolling out. Fessler can't drop that ball on the outside slant. Bunch of missed opportunities to go ahead early in the second half.

10) Lewerke's stats are gaudy, but it tells you something about our defense that MSU essentially abandoned the run for the fourth quarter through overtime. Our defense is playing very stout run defense with proper run fits and, as mentioned above, Fisher has a natural way of sorting through traffic to clean up anything inside. This bodes very well for our remaining schedule, as there's not a "scary" passing offense left (Brohm can do some creative things, but I don't think they can keep it up for a full game). It is of course very problematic that MSU consistently moved the ball through the air without much of a run threat, but let's just focus on the silver lining after a top-25 3OT win, mkay?

11) Watched it a bunch of times on gameday and a bunch of times today... still not convinced that Felton's juggling TD was really a catch. Sure looked like the ground aided the catch to me, especially on the angle from behind the play.

12) Homer alert, but Gaziano and Samdup Miller were getting held all day long (including on Gaz's strip to end the game). They're not the most physically skilled pass rushers out there, but strong and play with a motor. Excited about watching those two develop over the next couple years, plus the influx of DE talent.

13) The play with about two minutes left in which Fisher whacked the MSU WR upside the head was very odd. While clearly not targeting, the referees' discussion essentially gave MSU a free timeout plus the ref was EXTREMELY slow in declaring the ball ready for play. Saved MSU some precious time on the clock with one timeout left. I was literally screaming at the television the first time through to set the ball and equally as flummoxed the second time through (albeit at a much lower volume).
 
Good observations. I agree with you about the plays where Clayton pulls the ball and goes horizontal. He has decent top-end speed, but he takes a while to get into top gear and is usually run down by quicker DBs. As a whole, Northwestern should only run wide as a change of pace. We seldom have a speed advantage against other B1G teams. Also agree on No. 11. Thought the ground clearly aided Felton's catch. If they'd called it incomplete at first instead of a touchdown, I think they'd have stuck with that.
 
In no particular order (I tend to have a post open and type out/update things as they pop into my head as I'm re-watching)...

1) The three-man rush should be banished to hell. I feel the same way about our single-back, under center look. We just don't have the OL to make that work consistently, especially when it's short yardage and the defense knows what's coming. Either get more creative with that package or scrap it entirely.

2) Godwin is getting a little lazy with his eyes, "peeking" into the backfield to try to make gamechanging plays rather than the proper plays. Got burned deep on the first drive because of it, then pretty close another couple times. Queiro also took some pretty awful angles throughout the game. All in all, the veteran safeties have left a lot to want for with plenty of things to clean up.

3) Fisher is good. Really good. Has a very natural way of picking his way through traffic, then finishing the tackle upon arrival. I can recall only one play that he didn't make. The linebackers should be in good shape next season with Fisher and Hall along with a bevy of promising newcomers to compete with the guys already on the roster.

4) Mick called an excellent game from the start. His gameplan correctly assumed that MSU would stack the box to stop the run and was loaded with "beaters," both play-action and underneath drag/pick routes. Only a handful of play calls I didn't like, most notably Thorson pulling the ball on a couple short-yardage plays; Clayton always seems to go horizontal in those situations, which isn't exactly what you want to do on short yardage.

5) The defense did well in a "bend-don't-break" sense, but sure left some big plays out there. Hartage dropping an easy pick, Igwebuike dropping an appreciably more difficult pick, LJ Scott's fumble that was luckily backed up by another fumble, Moe missing an admittedly difficult play on the muffed punt, McGee getting jostled on the floater over the middle in the fourth quarter, etc. Those are the kind of plays that can make a big difference in close games and we were lucky none had a big impact on the game. Sparty can obviously point to the two "doink'd" field goals as the difference in the game, but we could just as easily point to those couple plays we left between the lines as potential difference makers.

6) Somewhat surprised that Fitz didn't challenge the play when MSU's long snapper downed a punt inside the one. Looked to me like he carried it across the line and field position was HUGE at that point in the game.

7) While they ended up making some big plays down the stretch, the receiving group has to do a better job consistently catching the ball. The "Thorson throws fastballs" narrative is overplayed, especially when the ball hits the receiver in the hands. You're a P5 wideout. Catch the damn ball.

8) His stat line isn't that impressive, but Justin Jackson is just f*****g magical. He's always turning 1-yard gains into 4 and 2-yards into 6. He got us a couple first downs basically on his own, plus a couple big blitz pickups down the stretch. Deserves every accolade headed his way and then some.

9) Scoring right before the half then getting the ball right back might be my favorite thing ever, sad though that may be. Wish we did more with our possession coming out of halftime. Wilson had a step on the deep pass, but he's never really going to be that downfield guy. Skowronek has to make the play with Thorson rolling out. Fessler can't drop that ball on the outside slant. Bunch of missed opportunities to go ahead early in the second half.

10) Lewerke's stats are gaudy, but it tells you something about our defense that MSU essentially abandoned the run for the fourth quarter through overtime. Our defense is playing very stout run defense with proper run fits and, as mentioned above, Fisher has a natural way of sorting through traffic to clean up anything inside. This bodes very well for our remaining schedule, as there's not a "scary" passing offense left (Brohm can do some creative things, but I don't think they can keep it up for a full game). It is of course very problematic that MSU consistently moved the ball through the air without much of a run threat, but let's just focus on the silver lining after a top-25 3OT win, mkay?

11) Watched it a bunch of times on gameday and a bunch of times today... still not convinced that Felton's juggling TD was really a catch. Sure looked like the ground aided the catch to me, especially on the angle from behind the play.

12) Homer alert, but Gaziano and Samdup Miller were getting held all day long (including on Gaz's strip to end the game). They're not the most physically skilled pass rushers out there, but strong and play with a motor. Excited about watching those two develop over the next couple years, plus the influx of DE talent.

13) The play with about two minutes left in which Fisher whacked the MSU WR upside the head was very odd. While clearly not targeting, the referees' discussion essentially gave MSU a free timeout plus the ref was EXTREMELY slow in declaring the ball ready for play. Saved MSU some precious time on the clock with one timeout left. I was literally screaming at the television the first time through to set the ball and equally as flummoxed the second time through (albeit at a much lower volume).

If we're going to rush 3 with a QB that's mobile at all, can we at least spy him? Why not add a delayed blitz to that package? It's just so frustrating to watch.

JJ was the best player on the field and his brace is off. It's time for him to rack up some numbers against the back end of the schedule.

Even to the non-expert eyes it seems that Godwin is taking a lot of chances at big plays that aren't coming off.

MSU fans and I definitely agreed that it looked like the ball crossed the plane and on the downed punt...well except for the guy who didn't know the rule.

The Felton play was one of those that was going to get upheld no matter what was called on the field. There just didn't seem to be enough evidence to overturn it one way or the other. Of course, the refs are gonna call that a TD for the home team every time ;) (I promise I'll stop soon)
 
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Great stuff, gcg.

Any thoughts on JJTBC's pro potential? We all know he's not the biggest or the strongest, but the production doesn't lie, especially given the context of the offenses he's been playing on. More than that, his abilities as a receiver, passer (tee-hee-hee), a blocker and a human being are all top notch. I'd LOVE to see a guy like him get a real shot. I'm loathe to say anyone in sports deserves anything, but he's the ultimate root-for guy.
 
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Great stuff, gcg.

Any thoughts on JJTBC's pro potential? We all know he's not the biggest or the strongest, but the production doesn't lie, especially given the context of the offenses he's been playing on. More than that, his abilities as a receiver, passer (tee-hee-hee), a blocker and a human being are all top notch. I'd LOVE to see a guy like him get a real shot. I'm loathe to say anyone in sports deserves anything, but he's the ultimate root-for guy.

Jackson will get into a camp and might sneak onto a practice squad, but I think his pro potential is limited due to his lack of top-end speed and relatively slight build. All the slithering, shifty runs he makes for NU probably won’t work against pros.
 
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Nothing great, nothing awful... but a hell of a lot better than the season to date. They’re on a upward trajectory, but still a long ways to go.

MSU did not blitz and our OL held up against their front-all hell breaks loose when teams blitz. I can garauntee that NU better be prepared for an all out assault by LBs in our final 4 games
 
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Jackson will get into a camp and might sneak onto a practice squad, but I think his pro potential is limited due to his lack of top-end speed and relatively slight build. All the slithering, shifty runs he makes for NU probably won’t work against pros.
He reminds me a little of Pierre Thomas from Illinois and then the Saints, not terribly fast but always manages to get positive yards. Thomas was undrafted but ended up having a decent NFL career.
 
In no particular order (I tend to have a post open and type out/update things as they pop into my head as I'm re-watching)...

1) The three-man rush should be banished to hell. I feel the same way about our single-back, under center look. We just don't have the OL to make that work consistently, especially when it's short yardage and the defense knows what's coming. Either get more creative with that package or scrap it entirely.

2) Godwin is getting a little lazy with his eyes, "peeking" into the backfield to try to make gamechanging plays rather than the proper plays. Got burned deep on the first drive because of it, then pretty close another couple times. Queiro also took some pretty awful angles throughout the game. All in all, the veteran safeties have left a lot to want for with plenty of things to clean up.

3) Fisher is good. Really good. Has a very natural way of picking his way through traffic, then finishing the tackle upon arrival. I can recall only one play that he didn't make. The linebackers should be in good shape next season with Fisher and Hall along with a bevy of promising newcomers to compete with the guys already on the roster.

4) Mick called an excellent game from the start. His gameplan correctly assumed that MSU would stack the box to stop the run and was loaded with "beaters," both play-action and underneath drag/pick routes. Only a handful of play calls I didn't like, most notably Thorson pulling the ball on a couple short-yardage plays; Clayton always seems to go horizontal in those situations, which isn't exactly what you want to do on short yardage.

5) The defense did well in a "bend-don't-break" sense, but sure left some big plays out there. Hartage dropping an easy pick, Igwebuike dropping an appreciably more difficult pick, LJ Scott's fumble that was luckily backed up by another fumble, Moe missing an admittedly difficult play on the muffed punt, McGee getting jostled on the floater over the middle in the fourth quarter, etc. Those are the kind of plays that can make a big difference in close games and we were lucky none had a big impact on the game. Sparty can obviously point to the two "doink'd" field goals as the difference in the game, but we could just as easily point to those couple plays we left between the lines as potential difference makers.

6) Somewhat surprised that Fitz didn't challenge the play when MSU's long snapper downed a punt inside the one. Looked to me like he carried it across the line and field position was HUGE at that point in the game.

7) While they ended up making some big plays down the stretch, the receiving group has to do a better job consistently catching the ball. The "Thorson throws fastballs" narrative is overplayed, especially when the ball hits the receiver in the hands. You're a P5 wideout. Catch the damn ball.

8) His stat line isn't that impressive, but Justin Jackson is just f*****g magical. He's always turning 1-yard gains into 4 and 2-yards into 6. He got us a couple first downs basically on his own, plus a couple big blitz pickups down the stretch. Deserves every accolade headed his way and then some.

9) Scoring right before the half then getting the ball right back might be my favorite thing ever, sad though that may be. Wish we did more with our possession coming out of halftime. Wilson had a step on the deep pass, but he's never really going to be that downfield guy. Skowronek has to make the play with Thorson rolling out. Fessler can't drop that ball on the outside slant. Bunch of missed opportunities to go ahead early in the second half.

10) Lewerke's stats are gaudy, but it tells you something about our defense that MSU essentially abandoned the run for the fourth quarter through overtime. Our defense is playing very stout run defense with proper run fits and, as mentioned above, Fisher has a natural way of sorting through traffic to clean up anything inside. This bodes very well for our remaining schedule, as there's not a "scary" passing offense left (Brohm can do some creative things, but I don't think they can keep it up for a full game). It is of course very problematic that MSU consistently moved the ball through the air without much of a run threat, but let's just focus on the silver lining after a top-25 3OT win, mkay?

11) Watched it a bunch of times on gameday and a bunch of times today... still not convinced that Felton's juggling TD was really a catch. Sure looked like the ground aided the catch to me, especially on the angle from behind the play.

12) Homer alert, but Gaziano and Samdup Miller were getting held all day long (including on Gaz's strip to end the game). They're not the most physically skilled pass rushers out there, but strong and play with a motor. Excited about watching those two develop over the next couple years, plus the influx of DE talent.

13) The play with about two minutes left in which Fisher whacked the MSU WR upside the head was very odd. While clearly not targeting, the referees' discussion essentially gave MSU a free timeout plus the ref was EXTREMELY slow in declaring the ball ready for play. Saved MSU some precious time on the clock with one timeout left. I was literally screaming at the television the first time through to set the ball and equally as flummoxed the second time through (albeit at a much lower volume).


Agree 110% on point #1. Coach Hank, PLEASE stop using the 3 man rush......
 
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MSU did not blitz and our OL held up against their front-all hell breaks loose when teams blitz. I can garauntee that NU better be prepared for an all out assault by LBs in our final 4 games

I assume that is hyperbole because MSU definitely dialed up blitzs on occasion. Just not nearly as much as, say, Wisconsin.
 
In no particular order (I tend to have a post open and type out/update things as they pop into my head as I'm re-watching)...

1) The three-man rush should be banished to hell. I feel the same way about our single-back, under center look. We just don't have the OL to make that work consistently, especially when it's short yardage and the defense knows what's coming. Either get more creative with that package or scrap it entirely.

2) Godwin is getting a little lazy with his eyes, "peeking" into the backfield to try to make gamechanging plays rather than the proper plays. Got burned deep on the first drive because of it, then pretty close another couple times. Queiro also took some pretty awful angles throughout the game. All in all, the veteran safeties have left a lot to want for with plenty of things to clean up.

3) Fisher is good. Really good. Has a very natural way of picking his way through traffic, then finishing the tackle upon arrival. I can recall only one play that he didn't make. The linebackers should be in good shape next season with Fisher and Hall along with a bevy of promising newcomers to compete with the guys already on the roster.

4) Mick called an excellent game from the start. His gameplan correctly assumed that MSU would stack the box to stop the run and was loaded with "beaters," both play-action and underneath drag/pick routes. Only a handful of play calls I didn't like, most notably Thorson pulling the ball on a couple short-yardage plays; Clayton always seems to go horizontal in those situations, which isn't exactly what you want to do on short yardage.

5) The defense did well in a "bend-don't-break" sense, but sure left some big plays out there. Hartage dropping an easy pick, Igwebuike dropping an appreciably more difficult pick, LJ Scott's fumble that was luckily backed up by another fumble, Moe missing an admittedly difficult play on the muffed punt, McGee getting jostled on the floater over the middle in the fourth quarter, etc. Those are the kind of plays that can make a big difference in close games and we were lucky none had a big impact on the game. Sparty can obviously point to the two "doink'd" field goals as the difference in the game, but we could just as easily point to those couple plays we left between the lines as potential difference makers.

6) Somewhat surprised that Fitz didn't challenge the play when MSU's long snapper downed a punt inside the one. Looked to me like he carried it across the line and field position was HUGE at that point in the game.

7) While they ended up making some big plays down the stretch, the receiving group has to do a better job consistently catching the ball. The "Thorson throws fastballs" narrative is overplayed, especially when the ball hits the receiver in the hands. You're a P5 wideout. Catch the damn ball.

8) His stat line isn't that impressive, but Justin Jackson is just f*****g magical. He's always turning 1-yard gains into 4 and 2-yards into 6. He got us a couple first downs basically on his own, plus a couple big blitz pickups down the stretch. Deserves every accolade headed his way and then some.

9) Scoring right before the half then getting the ball right back might be my favorite thing ever, sad though that may be. Wish we did more with our possession coming out of halftime. Wilson had a step on the deep pass, but he's never really going to be that downfield guy. Skowronek has to make the play with Thorson rolling out. Fessler can't drop that ball on the outside slant. Bunch of missed opportunities to go ahead early in the second half.

10) Lewerke's stats are gaudy, but it tells you something about our defense that MSU essentially abandoned the run for the fourth quarter through overtime. Our defense is playing very stout run defense with proper run fits and, as mentioned above, Fisher has a natural way of sorting through traffic to clean up anything inside. This bodes very well for our remaining schedule, as there's not a "scary" passing offense left (Brohm can do some creative things, but I don't think they can keep it up for a full game). It is of course very problematic that MSU consistently moved the ball through the air without much of a run threat, but let's just focus on the silver lining after a top-25 3OT win, mkay?

11) Watched it a bunch of times on gameday and a bunch of times today... still not convinced that Felton's juggling TD was really a catch. Sure looked like the ground aided the catch to me, especially on the angle from behind the play.

12) Homer alert, but Gaziano and Samdup Miller were getting held all day long (including on Gaz's strip to end the game). They're not the most physically skilled pass rushers out there, but strong and play with a motor. Excited about watching those two develop over the next couple years, plus the influx of DE talent.

13) The play with about two minutes left in which Fisher whacked the MSU WR upside the head was very odd. While clearly not targeting, the referees' discussion essentially gave MSU a free timeout plus the ref was EXTREMELY slow in declaring the ball ready for play. Saved MSU some precious time on the clock with one timeout left. I was literally screaming at the television the first time through to set the ball and equally as flummoxed the second time through (albeit at a much lower volume).

Godwin and Kyle are really good safeties, a key to our defense, but you’re exactly right about getting burned due to over-aggressiveness (and more Godwin surprisingly). Good news is we have played the better playaction teams on our schedule already. Got to clean that up though.
 
We will see lots of blitzes in final four games— unless OL, Thorson and WRs can make make the Ds pay.....
 
Jackson will get into a camp and might sneak onto a practice squad, but I think his pro potential is limited due to his lack of top-end speed and relatively slight build. All the slithering, shifty runs he makes for NU probably won’t work against pros.

That's exactly what I said to myself about Jackson when he was coming out of HS. I wouldn't bet against him. He won't be highly in demand on draft day but my guess is that he finds a way to have himself a decent NFL career.
 
He reminds me a little of Pierre Thomas from Illinois and then the Saints, not terribly fast but always manages to get positive yards. Thomas was undrafted but ended up having a decent NFL career.

Except Thomas was 5105 209 and ran a 4.65 along with a stellar 1.57 10-yard split.
 
I have a question for you on the Skowronek offensive pass interference, in the 3rd quarter I believe. Looked on replay that Bennett extended his arms as he was being jammed off the line, but before the ball was thrown. If a defender can chuck a receiver, why can't the receiver do the same thing as long as the ball hasn't been thrown? The WRs seem to really be trying to create separation but the flags have flown the last couple of weeks.
 
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That's exactly what I said to myself about Jackson when he was coming out of HS. I wouldn't bet against him. He won't be highly in demand on draft day but my guess is that he finds a way to have himself a decent NFL career.

On our final touchdown, he was to the right of Clayton. Justin crossed over to outside the left tackle to block the blitzer which gave CT time to throw. I watch him every play. You know more than I do, but his blocking seems to be very good.
 
On our final touchdown, he was to the right of Clayton. Justin crossed over to outside the left tackle to block the blitzer which gave CT time to throw. I watch him every play. You know more than I do, but his blocking seems to be very good.
What happened to the flanker sweeps with Jelani Roberts? We had some modest success with that earlier in the season but I haven't seen him on the field in the last few games.
 
What happened to the flanker sweeps with Jelani Roberts? We had some modest success with that earlier in the season but I haven't seen him on the field in the last few games.

“Modest” might be pushing it a bit. Actually noticed McGowan running a lot of arc motion, so perhaps the coaches are more comfortable with him at this point in the season. He brings a lot of the same skills as Roberts, but with a touch more size.
 
“Modest” might be pushing it a bit. Actually noticed McGowan running a lot of arc motion, so perhaps the coaches are more comfortable with him at this point in the season. He brings a lot of the same skills as Roberts, but with a touch more size.
It's not pushing it at all. Jelani has gained 54 yards on 5 carries this year. For an offense with few playmakers and no speed, that's far from modest. He is noticeably quicker than anyone else that we have running those. He fumbled on his last carry but he has has had much more success running those than Vault or certainly anyone this year.
 
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It's not pushing it at all. Jelani has gained 54 yards on 5 carries this year. For an offense with few playmakers and no speed, that's far from modest. He is noticeably quicker than anyone else that we have running those. He fumbled on his last carry but he has has had much more success running those than Vault or certainly anyone this year.

Hard to call a run that resulted in a fumble "successful," no?
 
Hard to call a run that resulted in a fumble "successful," no?
Hard to call 54 yards on 5 carries less than modest, no? As compared to almost everything else that we run, I will take my chances with him fumbling. He got absolutely clocked by someone that he didn't see coming. Other than being so very wrong about Austin Carr, do you ever acknowledge that you don't always know what the hell you are talking about?
 
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Hard to call 54 yards on 5 carries less than modest, no? As compared to almost everything else that we run, I will take my chances with him fumbling. He got absolutely clocked by someone that he didn't see coming. Other than being so very wrong about Austin Carr, do you ever acknowledge that you don't always know what the hell you are talking about?
Oh, and I checked and his carries went for 11, 5, 15, 11 and 12 yards. I know we like to start each series with Jackson making 3 guys miss for 2 yards, bit it probably couldn't hurt to give him the ball every now and then and tell him to run out of bounds. The offense desperately needs playmakers and guys that can stretch the field. I am not sure why he hasn't been given more opportunities.
 
Hard to call 54 yards on 5 carries less than modest, no? As compared to almost everything else that we run, I will take my chances with him fumbling. He got absolutely clocked by someone that he didn't see coming. Other than being so very wrong about Austin Carr, do you ever acknowledge that you don't always know what the hell you are talking about?

I'll take my spot in line amongst everyone who was wrong about Austin Carr. If you can show me more than maybe two people who anticipated the production he turned in his senior before the season started, I'll eat today's newspaper.

Roberts had a handful of decent runs against Nevada and Bowling Green, then coughed up the ball in his only touch against P5 competition. I remain unconvinced that he has sufficient speed to make up for his complete lack of size... and apparently the coaches agree, as he's been glued to the bench for quite a while now.
 
“Modest” might be pushing it a bit. Actually noticed McGowan running a lot of arc motion, so perhaps the coaches are more comfortable with him at this point in the season. He brings a lot of the same skills as Roberts, but with a touch more size.

Need to rewatch, but was McGowan was running arc motion vs Wisky and PSU? I didn't see it (I could have missed it), and was very much wondering why we didn't put more of this in against those two to slow down their edge rushers - would have been nice to see them not just pin their ears back on every play...
 
Need to rewatch, but was McGowan was running arc motion vs Wisky and PSU? I didn't see it (I could have missed it), and was very much wondering why we didn't put more of this in against those two to slow down their edge rushers - would have been nice to see them not just pin their ears back on every play...

Don't recall him doing so against UW or PSU (or even Iowa), but he definitely was against Sparty.
 
I'll take my spot in line amongst everyone who was wrong about Austin Carr. If you can show me more than maybe two people who anticipated the production he turned in his senior before the season started, I'll eat today's newspaper.

Roberts had a handful of decent runs against Nevada and Bowling Green, then coughed up the ball in his only touch against P5 competition. I remain unconvinced that he has sufficient speed to make up for his complete lack of size... and apparently the coaches agree, as he's been glued to the bench for quite a while now.
He gained 15 yards on his carry against Duke so I think his speed was fine. His size is absolutely irrelevant on a jet sweep. The idea is that they can't catch him, not that's he's going to run through a bunch of tackles. You are one of those guys who always has to be right so you have to spin the narrative your way. It's really annoying, just so know. I do otherwise appreciate many of your posts.

You also talked up Andrew Scanlon a bunch by the way, if I remember correctly. Seemed like a good guy and teammate but I think it's fair to say he had less than modest results in his career.
 
He gained 15 yards on his carry against Duke so I think his speed was fine. His size is absolutely irrelevant on a jet sweep. The idea is that they can't catch him, not that's he's going to run through a bunch of tackles. You are one of those guys who always has to be right so you have to spin the narrative your way. It's really annoying, just so know. I do otherwise appreciate many of your posts.

You also talked up Andrew Scanlon a bunch by the way, if I remember correctly. Seemed like a good guy and teammate but I think it's fair to say he had less than modest results in his career.

"Absolutely irrelevant?" He lost the ball because he got hit, in no small part because he's tiny. I'll absolutely admit when I'm wrong, but I haven't seen anything out of Roberts that would change my mind.

I thought Scanlan would take better advantage of opportunities throughout his career, but he wasn't as fast as I thought he was. Far as I can tell, some of that was due to health issues. Fessler might be in the same boat there as I guy I liked a lot out of high school but hasn't done much so far in his NU career. Win some and lose some... though I'll still take my wins over my losses.
 
"Absolutely irrelevant?" He lost the ball because he got hit, in no small part because he's tiny. I'll absolutely admit when I'm wrong, but I haven't seen anything out of Roberts that would change my mind.

I thought Scanlan would take better advantage of opportunities throughout his career, but he wasn't as fast as I thought he was. Far as I can tell, some of that was due to health issues. Fessler might be in the same boat there as I guy I liked a lot out of high school but hasn't done much so far in his NU career. Win some and lose some... though I'll still take my wins over my losses.
If he had run out of bounds instead of breaking a tackle, he would have gained 10 yards instead of 15. Still better than 90% of our offensive plays. And yes, size is irrelevant on a jet sweep. If you can get to the edge and turn the corner (which is all about quickness), you will gain some yards, stretch the field horizontally and you can always run out of bounds if you are so concerned about fumbling.

I repeat. He is clearly quicker than every other receiver and I don't understand why they can't find ways to get him a couple of touches a game.
 
He reminds me a little of Pierre Thomas from Illinois and then the Saints, not terribly fast but always manages to get positive yards. Thomas was undrafted but ended up having a decent NFL career.
For what it's worth, Walter Football lists JJ as the #18 RB, and the 8th best prospect in his class. "Jackson's offensive line is very weak and struggles to open holes. The Wildcats also lack receivers who keep teams from stacking the box."

http://walterfootball.com/draft2018RB.php

NFLDraftScout has him as the #6 RB prospect.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=130923&draftyear=2018&genpos=RB
 
If he had run out of bounds instead of breaking a tackle, he would have gained 10 yards instead of 15. Still better than 90% of our offensive plays. And yes, size is irrelevant on a jet sweep. If you can get to the edge and turn the corner (which is all about quickness), you will gain some yards, stretch the field horizontally and you can always run out of bounds if you are so concerned about fumbling.

I repeat. He is clearly quicker than every other receiver and I don't understand why they can't find ways to get him a couple of touches a game.
Also, Kansas City should stop giving the ball to Tyreek Hill too. At least tonight against Denver they should stop.
 
"Absolutely irrelevant?" He lost the ball because he got hit, in no small part because he's tiny. I'll absolutely admit when I'm wrong, but I haven't seen anything out of Roberts that would change my mind.

I thought Scanlan would take better advantage of opportunities throughout his career, but he wasn't as fast as I thought he was. Far as I can tell, some of that was due to health issues. Fessler might be in the same boat there as I guy I liked a lot out of high school but hasn't done much so far in his NU career. Win some and lose some... though I'll still take my wins over my losses.
You lose this round, gocatsgo. Be gracious if you can.
 
4) Mick called an excellent game from the start. His gameplan correctly assumed that MSU would stack the box to stop the run and was loaded with "beaters," both play-action and underneath drag/pick routes. Only a handful of play calls I didn't like, most notably Thorson pulling the ball on a couple short-yardage plays; Clayton always seems to go horizontal in those situations, which isn't exactly what you want to do on short yardage.

By far his best work this season. Contrast the opener in which he nearly refused to pass.

The O actually looked GOOD for a change. IMHO, that game plan suits the team's abilities and that is about what NU should be doing the rest of the way. A few more routine catches by our WRs and and the O gets consistent.

I'm sure CT has been told to take some pace off the short passes, but as a result he throws some passes that are difficult to catch. He needs to find the pace between too fast and too slow and hit the receivers on the numbers.
 
In no particular order (I tend to have a post open and type out/update things as they pop into my head as I'm re-watching)...

1) The three-man rush should be banished to hell. I feel the same way about our single-back, under center look. We just don't have the OL to make that work consistently, especially when it's short yardage and the defense knows what's coming. Either get more creative with that package or scrap it entirely.

2) Godwin is getting a little lazy with his eyes, "peeking" into the backfield to try to make gamechanging plays rather than the proper plays. Got burned deep on the first drive because of it, then pretty close another couple times. Queiro also took some pretty awful angles throughout the game. All in all, the veteran safeties have left a lot to want for with plenty of things to clean up.

3) Fisher is good. Really good. Has a very natural way of picking his way through traffic, then finishing the tackle upon arrival. I can recall only one play that he didn't make. The linebackers should be in good shape next season with Fisher and Hall along with a bevy of promising newcomers to compete with the guys already on the roster.

4) Mick called an excellent game from the start. His gameplan correctly assumed that MSU would stack the box to stop the run and was loaded with "beaters," both play-action and underneath drag/pick routes. Only a handful of play calls I didn't like, most notably Thorson pulling the ball on a couple short-yardage plays; Clayton always seems to go horizontal in those situations, which isn't exactly what you want to do on short yardage.

5) The defense did well in a "bend-don't-break" sense, but sure left some big plays out there. Hartage dropping an easy pick, Igwebuike dropping an appreciably more difficult pick, LJ Scott's fumble that was luckily backed up by another fumble, Moe missing an admittedly difficult play on the muffed punt, McGee getting jostled on the floater over the middle in the fourth quarter, etc. Those are the kind of plays that can make a big difference in close games and we were lucky none had a big impact on the game. Sparty can obviously point to the two "doink'd" field goals as the difference in the game, but we could just as easily point to those couple plays we left between the lines as potential difference makers.

6) Somewhat surprised that Fitz didn't challenge the play when MSU's long snapper downed a punt inside the one. Looked to me like he carried it across the line and field position was HUGE at that point in the game.

7) While they ended up making some big plays down the stretch, the receiving group has to do a better job consistently catching the ball. The "Thorson throws fastballs" narrative is overplayed, especially when the ball hits the receiver in the hands. You're a P5 wideout. Catch the damn ball.

8) His stat line isn't that impressive, but Justin Jackson is just f*****g magical. He's always turning 1-yard gains into 4 and 2-yards into 6. He got us a couple first downs basically on his own, plus a couple big blitz pickups down the stretch. Deserves every accolade headed his way and then some.

9) Scoring right before the half then getting the ball right back might be my favorite thing ever, sad though that may be. Wish we did more with our possession coming out of halftime. Wilson had a step on the deep pass, but he's never really going to be that downfield guy. Skowronek has to make the play with Thorson rolling out. Fessler can't drop that ball on the outside slant. Bunch of missed opportunities to go ahead early in the second half.

10) Lewerke's stats are gaudy, but it tells you something about our defense that MSU essentially abandoned the run for the fourth quarter through overtime. Our defense is playing very stout run defense with proper run fits and, as mentioned above, Fisher has a natural way of sorting through traffic to clean up anything inside. This bodes very well for our remaining schedule, as there's not a "scary" passing offense left (Brohm can do some creative things, but I don't think they can keep it up for a full game). It is of course very problematic that MSU consistently moved the ball through the air without much of a run threat, but let's just focus on the silver lining after a top-25 3OT win, mkay?

11) Watched it a bunch of times on gameday and a bunch of times today... still not convinced that Felton's juggling TD was really a catch. Sure looked like the ground aided the catch to me, especially on the angle from behind the play.

12) Homer alert, but Gaziano and Samdup Miller were getting held all day long (including on Gaz's strip to end the game). They're not the most physically skilled pass rushers out there, but strong and play with a motor. Excited about watching those two develop over the next couple years, plus the influx of DE talent.

13) The play with about two minutes left in which Fisher whacked the MSU WR upside the head was very odd. While clearly not targeting, the referees' discussion essentially gave MSU a free timeout plus the ref was EXTREMELY slow in declaring the ball ready for play. Saved MSU some precious time on the clock with one timeout left. I was literally screaming at the television the first time through to set the ball and equally as flummoxed the second time through (albeit at a much lower volume).
Nice summary! There is holding on pretty much every play in college and pro football! Get rid of that three man rush
 
I assume that is hyperbole because MSU definitely dialed up blitzs on occasion. Just not nearly as much as, say, Wisconsin.

3-4 blitzes out of 70+ plays is not putting the pressure on the OL like Wisconsin and Duke did
 
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