OSU in talks to join the SEC, replace Vanderbilt?
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So it’s bad for us to WANT that, rather than hit the accelerator the opposite direction?
Made me say what? I didn’t say take their scholarships or anything. But if they don’t make any money via the NIL - just like our fourth string QB or backup OL - then that’s fine by me.
It's certainly a very unfavorable trade for the B1G. However, it beats trading OSU for nothing.
The answer to that is not a who, but a what.
For the answer to that question, read Adam Smith’s “An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations”.
Or maybe @MRCat95 can give you some footnotes.
Money will ruin college athletics. Hooray!
Why would Ohio State demean itself by joining the SEC?
They are in a nice situation in football - regular trips to the playoff, sellouts, etc.
How does joining the SEC help?
The person who mentioned "amateur" vs "professional" is thinking rationally.
Why would Ohio State demean itself by joining the SEC?
They are in a nice situation in football - regular trips to the playoff, sellouts, etc.
How does joining the SEC help?
The person who mentioned "amateur" vs "professional" is thinking rationally.
Do you really think there will be a universal system for that? You’re dreaming...
College football is minor leagues for the NFL. My guess is it will breakdown like baseball with AAA, AA and A.
The keys will be eyeballs and seats in the stands. For the B10 area, I think PSU, OSU, Mich and Wiscy make AAA. Add in ND and that covers the Mideast and Midwest.
The rest of the B10 becomes AA. The MAC is single A.
As to the players, I hope they get what they can. In football and bball the athletes are overwhelmingly African American. Title IX requires equal number scholarships for women and men, In other words, the blood and sweat of these athletes pay for rich white girls to play field hockey and other sports. If you watch these sports on B10 network, there are not too many women of color. I say rich because if you have a girl who is playing a high level to get a scholarship, you are forking out $7 to $10k a year on training , coaching, equipment and travel. In other words, you got to have some dollars to fork out. My daughter was at a 3 day tourney in Indy this month which was a quick $1k. The new payment methods allow the athletes who generate all the revenue for the athletic programs to get paid. I do not see how anyone can be against it since they are supporting everyone. Further, in life, those who generate the most fund for an entity get paid the most. Why should colllege sports be different?
The keys will be eyeballs and seats in the stands. For the B10 area, I think PSU, OSU, Mich and Wiscy make AAA. Add in ND and that covers the Mideast and Midwest.
The rest of the B10 becomes AA. The MAC is single A.
As to the players, I hope they get what they can. In football and bball the athletes are overwhelmingly African American. Title IX requires equal number scholarships for women and men, In other words, the blood and sweat of these athletes pay for rich white girls to play field hockey and other sports. If you watch these sports on B10 network, there are not too many women of color. I say rich because if you have a girl who is playing a high level to get a scholarship, you are forking out $7 to $10k a year on training , coaching, equipment and travel. In other words, you got to have some dollars to fork out. My daughter was at a 3 day tourney in Indy this month which was a quick $1k. The new payment methods allow the athletes who generate all the revenue for the athletic programs to get paid. I do not see how anyone can be against it since they are supporting everyone. Further, in life, those who generate the most fund for an entity get paid the most. Why should colllege sports be different?
What does getting a college education have to do with playing minor league sports as a professional?
They are very different businesses.
The NFL should stop free-loading and form a minor-league system. Let the player decide if he wants to attend college as an amateur or go play minor league football.
Baseball has been doing that for decades.
So from your point of view it's all about money. Everything is about money now. Life is just one big money grab for anyone who can pull it off. Sad. Really sad.
I not sure where you can go from there, but the options are very limited. And without much merit.
I'm against it for the division it may create within a team/school as well as the distracting time demands in securing contracts, making endorsements. etc. instead of focusing on what they're going to college for - studying to earn a useful degree. They already have some huge time demands on their hands.
They're being hit with "real life" stuff when I think many will be too immature to handle it responsibly.
Gossip like this is always adorable, and reminds me of the saying (which I learned based on college football conference conjecture, actually)...
Those who truly know, don't say anything.
Those who say, don't truly know anything.
Reminds me of an adage which I learned from @CoralSpringsCat : if you really wanted to know, you’d have a subscription to the Rock.
Ehh…I don’t know. Sometimes those in the know intentional put out the rumor to gauge what the reaction will be among the fanbase.
Brace yourself because I've read that as well somewhere in response to some sort of legal action. Should be easy to google...It's in response to avoiding paying workman's comp for injuries/deaths
"We crafted the term student-athlete," [NCAA president] Walter Byers himself wrote, "and soon it was embedded in all NCAA rules and interpretations." The term came into play in the 1950s, when the widow of Ray Dennison, who had died from a head injury received while playing football in Colorado for the Fort Lewis A&M Aggies, filed for workmen’s-compensation death benefits. Did his football scholarship make the fatal collision a "work-related" accident? Was he a school employee, like his peers who worked part-time as teaching assistants and bookstore cashiers? Or was he a fluke victim of extracurricular pursuits? Given the hundreds of incapacitating injuries to college athletes each year, the answers to these questions had enormous consequences. The Colorado Supreme Court ultimately agreed with the school’s contention that he was not eligible for benefits, since the college was "not in the football business." (from InsideNU, 2014...easy to find by drag and drop)
Sooo, he's correct but you're point stands. Willy didn't explain this, I did, but he isn't as OCD as I am.
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I don’t know man, you’re the one arguing for wide scale regulation in the face of the free market and keeping people away from earning their market worth.
Part of a case in the 1950s/60s. NCAA invented the term to avoid paying workers comp for a guy that died playing football at Texas A&M. Walter Byers invented it and bragged about it.
Is the scholarship compensation? Do you attach a monetary value to it?
1) if the Taj MahFitz wasn’t considered compensation by the brilliant economic minds on this very board, then no. Scholarships are not compensation.
2) You can attach a monetary value to it - so for a thought exercise, let’s postulate that the Taj MahFitz and also scholarships are compensation. By that measurement, our WBB and Lacrosse teams are already over-compensated whereas our collegiate football players are woefully under-compensated compared to the revenues they bring to the school.
The Taj MahFitz isn't given to players individually. The scholarship is. The scholarship is his.
So VW is correct. Willy didn't explain it, you did.
Willy is too cool for offering explanations.
The genie is out of the bottle and there is no putting it back.Nothing would surprise me as far as schools changing conferences,allegiances or really anything else.Kevin Warren and his team better be on their toes or the Big could be holding the bag.Heck the Big could add teams as well.Top teams.Chicago,The Big Ten Network are some attractive assets the Big has to offer.2or 3 super conferences,who knows where the dust will settle when all is said and done.Do I feel uneasy about all of this absolutely,change many times is unsettling,but as we all know college football has been gigantic business for a long time.I think the kids deserve to profit from their endeavors.How the money is distributed,who receives what that will be determined.I just hope this whole thing is policed well and everyone can enjoy this great game of college football.
It is very hard to argue with your excellent points. Some years back, I thought a free ride was sufficient, but some discussion with some ex-college athletes changed my mind. I am in favor of payments to the players considering the revenue they generate and the physical damage to their bodies. Unless there are some immediate changes to Title IX, the current set of circumstances is the only way to compensate them. Further, many universities use these kids. I agree that some of the athletes will be used and will become car wrecks, but I see no reason why the athletes should not be able to use the university.
As an aside, the universities had to see this coming, but they sat on their hands and did nothing.
The scholarship may or may not lead to a diploma, which has no inherent monetary value.
Let’s say I wanted to sell my Northwestern education on the free market. What would I get for it? What is its monetary value?
Did you have to pay for it? Even if the student doesn't graduate, he still takes classes and earns credits for them. He can return later like MJ and finish his degree.
But you paid for some of it, so it was clearly of some monetary value to you to make the transaction.
Here’s what my buddy said the new conference alignment would look like. OSU is insisting they not be placed in the East as a precondition for obvious reasons.
Would this adequately blow up CFB?
- WEST
- Arkansas
- LSU
- Missouri
- OSU
- Oklahoma
- Ole Miss
- Texas A&M
- Texas
- EAST
- Alabama
- Auburn
- Florida
- Georgia
- Kentucky
- MSU
- South Carolina
- Tennessee
That doesn’t mean that it actually has monetary value. Do students paying $250K for degrees in art history receive a fair trade by any objective measure?
He's still full of shit but in the "full of shit" race, he takes a back seat to you
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Unintended consequence - demolished team morale?
One player rides a Ferrari home from practice with his million dollar paycheck. Others on the team share a bus ride.
I see what the one school did by trying to equalize the payout between the players, but isn't that counter to the very principle NIL is based on which is to reward an individual player for use of his likeness?
