OT: Ga Tech

[NJCat]

NU plays @Georgia Tech 3 week from today. This story broke last week....two players including their leading scorer from last season are suspended "indefinitely" due to receipt of impermissible benefits. Bizarro story linked.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nobody...ch-impermissible-benefits-saga-162514812.html

 

[Windy City Cat Fan]

Kids get shamed, suspended, lose playing time which could potentially translate into a professional career in basketball; multi-millionaire coach continues to make multi-millions

 

[NJCat]

Kids get shamed, suspended, lose playing time which could potentially translate into a professional career in basketball; multi-millionaire coach continues to make multi-millions

Well, the kids do know the rules.....all part of growing up.

 

[Windy City Cat Fan]

Well, the kids do know the rules.....all part of growing up.

Agree - so does the coach; who is already grown up. If the NCAA was serious about these types of "infractions", they would suspend/ban etc. these coaches without multi-million dollar buy-outs. Very little at stake for a coach who does this.

 

[NJCat]

Agree - so does the coach; who is already grown up. If the NCAA was serious about these types of "infractions", they would suspend/ban etc. these coaches without multi-million dollar buy-outs. Very little at stake for a coach who does this.

Agree about the coach. But you must admit this is one bizarre case. Not clear Pastner had a clue what was going on. If you don't suspend a coach for having strippers and hookers in the team dorm, suspending or fining him for a few hundred dollars of meals seems harsh

 

[Fitz51]

Again, pay them. They’re employees.

 

[GOUNUII]

Again, pay them. They’re employees.

No. They are not employees. Which is a better deal for them than if they were. And they are paid handsomely. At NU ... more than 150K a year, whether they play/work or not. At state U. more than 100K annually. Neither of those numbers factors in the expense of paid medical coverage or the dollar value of the academic, nutritional, training and football instruction they receive.

GOUNUII

 

[FrancisSearle75]

NU plays @Georgia Tech 3 week from today. This story broke last week....two players including their leading scorer from last season are suspended "indefinitely" due to receipt of impermissible benefits. Bizarro story linked.

Just as bizarre is the story coming out of China. Georgia Tech plays UCLA in Hangzhou this Friday. Three of the UCLA players including LiAngelo Ball were just arrested for shoplifting.

 

[Windy City Cat Fan]

No. They are not employees. Which is a better deal for them than if they were. And they are paid handsomely. At NU ... more than 150K a year, whether they play/work or not. At state U. more than 100K annually. Neither of those numbers factors in the expense of paid medical coverage or the dollar value of the academic, nutritional, training and football instruction they receive.

GOUNUII

Still underpaid considering the revenue they generate. Why does Fitz get paid x million but star QB and RB only $150k - why so disproportionate from the NFL, is Fitz that much better a coach relative to his players than John Fox? Getting "paid" through a scholarship doesn't help you get a movie and pizza on Friday night either. Considered the NCAA prevents athletes from getting jobs like many of us I am sure had to pay for incidentals, what are these kids from low income family situations supposed to do?

 

[Sec.112]

I'm telling ya: the NCAA should start coming down HARD, HARD, HARD on acts like this. Dopey benefits worth a few thousand bucks are going to kill the golden goose.

If the NCAA won't do it, maybe the P5 commissioners should get together and consider steps going forward.

On the bright, NU side, if this gets worse, I wonder if it provides Hardy with an opportunity?

 

[Wrestlerneverdiesasacatfan]

NU plays @Georgia Tech 3 week from today. This story broke last week....two players including their leading scorer from last season are suspended "indefinitely" due to receipt of impermissible benefits. Bizarro story linked.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nobody...ch-impermissible-benefits-saga-162514812.html

Wow! Bad break!

 

[GOUNUII]

Still underpaid considering the revenue they generate. Why does Fitz get paid x million but star QB and RB only $150k - why so disproportionate from the NFL, is Fitz that much better a coach relative to his players than John Fox? Getting "paid" through a scholarship doesn't help you get a movie and pizza on Friday night either. Considered the NCAA prevents athletes from getting jobs like many of us I am sure had to pay for incidentals, what are these kids from low income family situations supposed to do?

All your questions are utter nonsense. You want an NFL arrangement. OK .... let's start with 53 man rosters. There goes 30+ scholarships. Sorry fellas ... we gotta do what's right for the ones we want to pay in line with the NFL. And what do you say to the 53? You better be good fast. Cuz just like the NFL you can be cut at any time. Remember, you are an employee. Not a student athlete. Thank WCCF for that. And to prospective student athletes, forget about attending your dream school. You want a Stanford education. Fat chance of that. Unless they draft you. You see using the NFL model carries plusses and minuses. We know you grew up in California and would like to attend school and play football close to home. But Florida International has your draft rights.

I could go on and on.

GOUNUII

 

[NU Houston]

Just as bizarre is the story coming out of China. Georgia Tech plays UCLA in Hangzhou this Friday. Three of the UCLA players including LiAngelo Ball were just arrested for shoplifting.

Stupid. Shoplifting anywhere is stupid, but especially in a foreign country that doesn't value human rights and the importance of a transparent judicial system.

 

[haywood jahblowme]

Still underpaid considering the revenue they generate. Why does Fitz get paid x million but star QB and RB only $150k - why so disproportionate from the NFL, is Fitz that much better a coach relative to his players than John Fox? Getting "paid" through a scholarship doesn't help you get a movie and pizza on Friday night either. Considered the NCAA prevents athletes from getting jobs like many of us I am sure had to pay for incidentals, what are these kids from low income family situations supposed to do?

The "employee" who works for apple or amazon doesn't get more because those companies turn a crazy profit. It's not any different than normal employees vs. CEO (athlete to coach/AD)

Student athletes get medical, clothing, food, education, and housing/spending money. They are actually paid very handsomely.

 

[Medill90]

The "employee" who works for apple or amazon doesn't get more because those companies turn a crazy profit. It's not any different than normal employees vs. CEO (athlete to coach/AD)

Student athletes get medical, clothing, food, education, and housing/spending money. They are actually paid very handsomely.

It's a matter of perspective. It's not the payor's place to render judgement on whether the payee should be satisfied with the deal or not. The payor wants to provide as little as possible. Medical, clothing, food, education, housing/money are necessary costs in 2017 to put a product on the floor that is worthy of television broadcast.

Would the athlete turn down an additional 20%....50%? Not likely but they have no say.

Apple's product is an over-priced electronic device that nerds sell. Amazon's product is....well, every product....that cuts out traditional retailers. The NCAA basketball product is the athletes. It's, ahem, apples and oranges.

 

[BleedingPurple15]

Beyond scholarship, training, media exposure, free meals, gear, medical support, academic support, travel expenses, networking, etc. etc. etc., they also get a stipend and per diem.

The way I think about it is, where is the value coming from? The player or the university? There would be a massive difference in revenue generated by the player depending on the school he went to - even if he was a top-ranked player. This tells me that the "millions" he generates for the school is really, in large part, due to the school's branding.

That being said, student-athletes should definitely have the opportunity to earn their market value through outside endorsements. And some NCAA limitations on compensation, particularly involving small monetary value, can be eliminated.

 

[VirginiaWildcat]

The "employee" who works for apple or amazon doesn't get more because those companies turn a crazy profit. It's not any different than normal employees vs. CEO (athlete to coach/AD)

Student athletes get medical, clothing, food, education, and housing/spending money. They are actually paid very handsomely.

Yep. And nobody is strong-arming them to play college basketball. There's always Europe, D-League, etc., if they don't want to go to school and believe their talents are so remarkable.

 

[willycat]

Yep. And nobody is strong-arming them to play college basketball. There's always Europe, D-League, etc., if they don't want to go to school and believe their talents are so remarkable.

However they can't play for big money in the NBA. Why?

 

[NJCat]

However they can't play for big money in the NBA. Why?

Because the collective bargaining agreement between the NBA owners and the players UNION requires a player be more than one year removed from high school graduation to be drafted.. Has nothing to do with the NCAA.

 

[willycat]

Because the collective bargaining agreement between the NBA owners and the players UNION requires a player be more than one year removed from high school graduation to be drafted.. Has nothing to do with the NCAA.

I believe your correct but the NCAA loves it as well.

 

[CatJones]

The players have a starting salary of 150 grand. Fitz's starting coaching salary as a grad assistant was somewhere between 0 and 20,000.

 

[hdhntr1]

No. They are not employees. Which is a better deal for them than if they were. And they are paid handsomely. At NU ... more than 150K a year, whether they play/work or not. At state U. more than 100K annually. Neither of those numbers factors in the expense of paid medical coverage or the dollar value of the academic, nutritional, training and football instruction they receive.

GOUNUII

And if they were "paid" they would owe taxes on the value of the benefits. Get a scholarship and owe $30K. Sort of like the winners in game shows. And if theydi d that would that mean all scholarship recipients would owe taxes?

 

[Hungry Jack]

Just as bizarre is the story coming out of China. Georgia Tech plays UCLA in Hangzhou this Friday. Three of the UCLA players including LiAngelo Ball were just arrested for shoplifting.

Good thing they aren't in Singapore

 

[NJCat]

Good thing they aren't in Singapore

Getting caned ain't fun.

 

[7th Cir. Cat]

The "employee" who works for apple or amazon doesn't get more because those companies turn a crazy profit. It's not any different than normal employees vs. CEO (athlete to coach/AD)

Student athletes get medical, clothing, food, education, and housing/spending money. They are actually paid very handsomely.

Actually, many employees at Apple and Amazon get stock/equity as part of their compensation packages. So they will in fact benefit and "get more because their companies "turn a crazy profit"

 

[NUThump]

Apple's product is an over-priced electronic device that nerds sell. Amazon's product is....well, every product....that cuts out traditional retailers. The NCAA basketball product is the athletes. It's, ahem, apples and oranges.

Use a consulting company, then. The product is the consultants. Those at the top still make a ton more.

 

[Medill90]

Use a consulting company, then. The product is the consultants. Those at the top still make a ton more.

If a consulting company with an employee base of the same size as the revenue sport rosters could bill equivalent to the school's television revenue, then maybe that's closer.

I don't think it's a binary choice as the evolution of student athlete benefits and competition has shown. Sure, I would have been goo goo to play a sport and get my education paid for. But move it to another university where there isn't near the same focus on graduating and it's not so attractive.

We're arguing about NU which may very well be the best case.

 

[Alan Smithee]

Getting caned ain't fun.

How do you know?

 

[haywood jahblowme]

Actually, many employees at Apple and Amazon get stock/equity as part of their compensation packages. So they will in fact benefit and "get more because their companies "turn a crazy profit"

do you not see the "stock" being the Northwestern education/degree?

 

[ubercat]

Getting caned ain't fun.

And if U of Miami players were caught stealing...

 

[7th Cir. Cat]

do you not see the "stock" being the Northwestern education/degree?

No, because you don’t get a direct financial benefit from the university doing well. To put a finer point on this: if NU moves up 3 spots in the US News rankings alumni don’t get a check in the mail.

Now, there are indirect benefit such as increased job opportunities that come with increased prestige of the degree. But the same indirect benefits are there for Apple employees. Being able to say that you are an engineer for Apple is a huge plus when you go on the job market.

But they also get the direct financial benefits in the form of stock that is directly tied to how well the company is doing.

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

There are not gigantic TV contracts without players. Schools compete in the arms race for facilities because it is good business, no other real reason. The NCAA, NBA, and the University’s Love the current system. Not hard to see why.

 

[Windy City Cat Fan]

There are not gigantic TV contracts without players. Schools compete in the arms race for facilities because it is good business, no other real reason. The NCAA, NBA, and the University’s Love the current system. Not hard to see why.

Exactly - to the poster who argued the school brand is what provided value, there's a reason not many people give a crap about college baseball or hockey and that's because they are 3 or 4 steps down from the top in their talent level, not just 1 like football and basketball

 

[TheC]

No, because you don’t get a direct financial benefit from the university doing well. To put a finer point on this: if NU moves up 3 spots in the US News rankings alumni don’t get a check in the mail.

I get my checks. Maybe you are just being left out.