Props for BMac

[NJCat]

26th best player in America by one meaningless story. Nice recognition nonetheless. Ranked ahead of Nova's Jalen Brunson ("maybe the best PG in the Big East"). 4th highest Big 10 player. Seems about right. But the article is wrong, he is a PG not a SG.

26. Bryant McIntosh, Senior SG, Northwestern: One of the best players Northwestern has had in the last few decades, he averaged 14.8 ppg and 5.2 apg, but actually shot better from the field his first two years. Gave Wisconsin 25-7-7 in February; scored 45 points in two NCAA Tournament games.

http://thebiglead.com/2017/08/01/50-best-players-in-college-basketball-for-2017-2018/

 

[JournCat]

Is he already in NU's all-time Top 5? The case could be made ...

 

[7th Cir. Cat]

I don't know about statistically, but he gets a huge boost for that game against Vandy. You could argue that his 25 points was the most clutch performance in NU hoops history.

 

[IdahoAlum]

He's the all-time and single season assist leader, a four-year starter and leader of only NCAA tournament team. So yes he's one of the top 25 NU players of all time.

 

[Catreporter]

McIntosh has had a few of those games where he just carried the team on his back. Columbia and Wisconsin in the 2015-2016 seasons come to mind as does Wake Forest in 2016-17, and then were the clutch game clinching shots like the one against Dayton and the biggie vs. Rutgers at home when we were wobbling.

 

[NJCat]

Is he already in NU's all-time Top 5? The case could be made ...

My top 5:
Joe Reiff (two time All American and won 2 Big 10 Championships)
Otto Graham (All American)
Evan Eschmeyer (All American)
Billy McKinney
Jon Shurna (All American)

 

[7th Cir. Cat]

He's the all-time and single season assist leader, a four-year starter and leader of only NCAA tournament team. So yes he's one of the top 25 NU players of all time.

For sure top 25! But the question was whether he was top 5, which is closer case

 

[JournCat]

My top 5:
Joe Reiff (two time All American and won 2 Big 10 Championships)
Otto Graham (All American)
Evan Eschmeyer (All American)
Billy McKinney
Jon Shurna (All American)

This is a good list and it's hard to find someone on it to downgrade. Mac's at 1,341 career points right now and if he matches last year's point total, he'll come close to 1,900. Add the assists and hopefully two NCAA bids, and I think we'd have to consider putting him over Shurna at a minimum.

 

[NJCat]

This is a good list and it's hard to find someone on it to downgrade. Mac's at 1,341 career points right now and if he matches last year's point total, he'll come close to 1,900. Add the assists and hopefully two NCAA bids, and I think we'd have to consider putting him over Shurna at a minimum.

For me, if Bryant makes first team All Big 10 he passes the Baby Faced Assassin.

 

[DaCat]

For me, if Bryant makes first team All Big 10 he passes the Baby Faced Assassin.

BMac already cemented his place in NU bball history, leading the Cats to The Dance. Clearly in the top ten all time, the question remains what he has in store for his senior season. If he leads the Cats to a Big 10 crown and an Elite Eight or better, he could vault to the top of the list.

 

[chicagocatfan24]

BMac already cemented his place in NU bball history, leading the Cats to The Dance. Clearly in the top ten all time, the question remains what he has in store for his senior season. If he leads the Cats to a Big 10 crown and an Elite Eight or better, he could vault to the top of the list.

"Could" vault to the top of the list??? If this was the season they had, and he was the reason why, he'd go down as the best basketball player in NU history BAR NONE!!!

 

[DaCat]

"Could" vault to the top of the list??? If this was the season they had, and he was the reason why, he'd go down as the best basketball player in NU history BAR NONE!!!

Absolutely. But I do expect others like Lindsey, Pardon, Law, et. al. to have some contribution to the overall success, maybe just enough to make it debatable.

 

[VirginiaWildcat]

My top 5:
Joe Reiff (two time All American and won 2 Big 10 Championships)
Otto Graham (All American)
Evan Eschmeyer (All American)
Billy McKinney
Jon Shurna (All American)

Aaron Molnar?

 

[chicagocatfan24]

Absolutely. But I do expect others like Lindsey, Pardon, Law, et. al. to have some contribution to the overall success, maybe just enough to make it debatable.

Well of course, that goes without say.

I said it after they los to the Zags last year - I'll be disappointed if they're not in the sweet 16 or better this year, unless they're ravaged by injuries (which would be so NU I feel like)

 

[NJCat]

Aaron Molnar?

Just behind Dan Kreft.

 

[Kelly_32]

Bryant has a shot at becoming the only player in Big 10 history with 1,750+ points and 750+ assists.

Currently, he's one of only 15 players in league history with 1,340+ points and 550+ assists.

 

[NJCat]

Bryant has a shot at becoming the only player in Big 10 history with 1,750+ points and 750+ assists.

Currently, he's one of only 15 players in league history with 1,340+ points and 550+ assists.

"Stats are for losers".

Oh, sorry, wrong sport.

 

[backdoorpass]

Bryant has a shot at becoming the only player in Big 10 history with 1,750+ points and 750+ assists.

Currently, he's one of only 15 players in league history with 1,340+ points and 550+ assists.

For context, I looked up the all time B1G assist leaders. There are actually are only B1G players to ever dish more than 750 assists:

Mateen Cleeves, MSU with 816 assists & 1541 pts (1996-2000)
Bruce Douglas, ILL with 765 assists & 1261 pts (1982-86)

Go BMac!

 

[Kelly_32]

No way he can catch Cleeves in assists but he's got a shot at catching Douglas.

He's 26th in Big 10 history going into this season. Barring injury, he will finish somewhere in the top five.

 

[scru]

No offense to Reiff or Graham, but I think sports has evolved quite a bit and I'm not sure they would even see the court in today's game. Is the list based on accomplishments or on basketball talent as it relates to the current game? If the latter, BMac must be top 5, right?

That said, I've never seen a single play from either of these two or McKinney. So, I'm aware that this post is a bit of a troll.

 

[Deeringfish]

No offense to Reiff or Graham, but I think sports has evolved quite a bit and I'm not sure they would even see the court in today's game. Is the list based on accomplishments or on basketball talent as it relates to the current game? If the latter, BMac must be top 5, right?

That said, I've never seen a single play from either of these two or McKinney. So, I'm aware that this post is a bit of a troll.

Couldn't you also say that the speed and style of the game has changed so that BMac has had some advantage in getting got these numbers?
I'm not arguing, I'm asking. I don't know BB that well.

 

[Kelly_32]

RANK PLAYER ASSISTS SCHOOL
1 Mateen Cleeves 816 Michigan State
2 Bruce Douglas 765 Illinois
3 Demetri McCamey 733 Illinois
4 Gary Grant 731 Michigan
5 Aaron Craft 694 Ohio State
6 Bruce Parkinson 690 Purdue
7 Dee Brown 674 Illinois
8 Scott Skiles 645 Michigan State
9 Tim Frazier 641 Penn State
10 Denzel Valentine 639 Michigan State
11 Kevin "Yogi" Ferrell 633 Indiana
12 Jeff Horner 612 Iowa
13 Eric Snow 599 Michigan State
14 Deron Williams 594 Illinois
15 Drew Neitzel 582 Michigan State
16 Jamar Butler 579 Ohio State
17 Rumeal Robinson 575 Michigan
17 Andre Woolridge 575 Iowa
19 Dan Earl 574 Penn State
20 Brian Walker 572 Purdue
21 Mark Montgomery 561 Michigan State
21 Dean Oliver 561 Iowa
23 Kalin Lucas 558 Michigan State
24 Mike Gesell 557 Iowa
25 Travis Walton 555 Michigan State
26 Bryant McIntosh 551 Northwestern

 

[backdoorpass]

No way he can catch Cleeves in assists but he's got a shot at catching Douglas.

He's 26th in Big 10 history going into this season. Barring injury, he will finish somewhere in the top five.

So amazing that Cleeves was able to set such an untouchable career assists total while also missing 13 games with a broken foot his senior year. One of the all-time greats!

 

[Kelly_32]

Players with 1,340+ career points and 550+ career assists

PLAYER POINTS ASSISTS SCHOOL
Gary Grant 2222 731 Michigan
Scott Skiles 2145 645 Michigan State
Kalin Lucas 1996 558 Michigan State
Kevin "Yogi" Ferrell 1986 633 Indiana
Dee Brown 1812 674 Illinois
Demetri McCamey 1718 733 Illinois
Denzel Valentine 1645 639 Michigan State
Dean Oliver 1561 561 Iowa
Tim Frazier 1543 641 Penn State
Mateen Cleeves 1541 816 Michigan State
Drew Neitzel 1534 582 Michigan State
Andre Woolridge 1525 575 Iowa
Jeff Horner 1502 612 Iowa
Rumeal Robinson 1446 575 Michigan
Bryant McIntosh 1341 551 Northwestern

 

[haywood jahblowme]

this really shows some of the talent at guard that illinois and msu have had. really incredible over the years

RANK PLAYER ASSISTS SCHOOL
1 Mateen Cleeves 816 Michigan State
2 Bruce Douglas 765 Illinois
3 Demetri McCamey 733 Illinois
4 Gary Grant 731 Michigan
5 Aaron Craft 694 Ohio State
6 Bruce Parkinson 690 Purdue
7 Dee Brown 674 Illinois
8 Scott Skiles 645 Michigan State
9 Tim Frazier 641 Penn State
10 Denzel Valentine 639 Michigan State
11 Kevin "Yogi" Ferrell 633 Indiana
12 Jeff Horner 612 Iowa
13 Eric Snow 599 Michigan State
14 Deron Williams 594 Illinois
15 Drew Neitzel 582 Michigan State
16 Jamar Butler 579 Ohio State
17 Rumeal Robinson 575 Michigan
17 Andre Woolridge 575 Iowa
19 Dan Earl 574 Penn State
20 Brian Walker 572 Purdue
21 Mark Montgomery 561 Michigan State
21 Dean Oliver 561 Iowa
23 Kalin Lucas 558 Michigan State
24 Mike Gesell 557 Iowa
25 Travis Walton 555 Michigan State
26 Bryant McIntosh 551 Northwestern

 

[EagerFan]

Assuming Kelly's numbers are legit, it appears that even if he only averages 10 points and 3 assists per game (and remains healthy omg), he'll be in Denzel territory.