Question About the Number of Players

[RURahh]

Have been following the story since it broke but not each detail. I did see in the original investigation report that 11 players corroborated the hazing, while I'm sure far more denied it

Since the suspension and firing, have far more players come forward, and if so, is it being seen as a money grab

The more interesting side of this seems to be the number of former players who say nothing overtly sexual or racial went on besides usual locker room hijinx. Those players have nothing to gain by coming forward, but it almost seems like they are being ignored, because that doesn't create as interesting of a narrative

Anyway, 4 of my family members went to NU, and I had always been a fan of Fitz.

Hoping you guys get this sorted out, but man, you gotta get rid of whoever is in a leadership position at your school - this has been a textbook case in how to Not handle a crisis

 

[NUCat320]

It is unclear, though I think unlikely, if the players involved in lawsuits are among the 11 named in the initial report.

NU obviously botched the rollout. Gragg is the worst, and Schill is appropriately named.

That said, I believe Fitz would still have a job had he acknowledged that it was his job to know if this was going on. His ‘see no evil’ shtick is now legally necessary, but pretty improbable.

The report in The Athletic a few days ago does a great job of discussing the apparent progression of hazing from apparently harmless to apparently pervasive in the past 25 years.

 

[RURahh]

Also have to realize that societal norms have prob changed more between 1995 and 2015 than almost any 20 year period in our history with the possible exception of the Civil War

Social media, camera phones and the MeToo movement have made things once considered a normal part of doing business as now felonies

I would use the rise and full acceptance of Me Too into our culture as the dividing line as to when things HAD to have stopped. This is of course easy in hindsight, and that Athletic article was great in that it has a hard time between Boys being Boys and what needed to be a Hard Stop and when that needed to occur

 

[ohiovalleycat]

I hope this hazing matter is sorted out sooner rather than later. At this point, the focus has been on insinuating that there are people in positions of responsibility who did not do enough to stop hazing, yet there has been an almost complete lack of focus on who supposedly did the hazing. If you were walking in New York City as a visitor and you were mugged on a busy city street, then I understand why you can't identify the mugger. If you worked for a company of 120 where you interacted with routinely in-person other employees and you had a holiday party and people got wild and crazy stuff that you considered abusive occurred, then I'm thinking you are going to be able identify at least some of the people involved in the misconduct. The insinuations that authority figures didn't prevent NU hazing can only go so far without the foundational exercise of identifying the who, what, when, where and how. There is an aspect to this situation that is more aligned with the Duke lacrosse scandal or a Salem-like hysteria than something like the Larry Nassar or Jerry Sandusky scandals where there was a very clear identification of the abuser and then a flow up to responsible entities who were notified and should have taken more action to stop the abuse and prevent further abuse. It will be sad if people are punished or have their reputations damaged in this NU hazing situation, and then it is only after later more detailed investigation occurs that it is determined that it didn't happen as originally reported.