REALITY - if you that think that NU doesnt recruit 8th graders . . .

[WaveJumper]

Not football - but YES, NU offered an 8th grader and the offer was accepted (who wouldn't). Not football, but nevertheless a scholarship sport.

Ask anyone who is knowledgeable about girls softball in Cincinnati.

For purposes of privacy, I will not reveal more about the individual player. I do have first hand knowledge since my granddaughter played on the same travel team with this young lady. That team won the eastern National Softball championship in 2011, and has qualified for the Nationals every year since.

You are naive if you think NU doesn't do this.

 

[Hungry Jack]

There once was a man from Nantucket.

 

[60657Cat]

Not football - but YES, NU offered an 8th grader and the offer was accepted (who wouldn't). Not football, but nevertheless a scholarship sport.

Ask anyone who is knowledgeable about girls softball in Cincinnati.

For purposes of privacy, I will not reveal more about the individual player. I do have first hand knowledge since my granddaughter played on the same travel team with this young lady. That team won the eastern National Softball championship in 2011, and has qualified for the Nationals every year since.

You are naive if you think NU doesn't do this.

Northwestern Football does not recruit Eighth Graders. Fact.

 

[Deeringfish]

Northwestern Football does not recruit Eighth Graders. Fact.

Not yet. At the same time I see no problem with this if the circumstances are exceptional. NU is an exceptional school.

 

[pawildcat]

Not yet. At the same time I see no problem with this if the circumstances are exceptional. NU is an exceptional school.

I see a big problem with this, but whatever.

 

[Cat In The Cradle]

I see a big problem with this, but whatever.

If "recruiting" is defined broadly, then NU is definitely recruiting pre-teens, as is any collegiate program that publishes schedules, markets itself to the general public, organizes itself within a Power 5 Conference, attends community service offerings as a team, etc.

The "accusation" that is posted in the opening thread is too vague and cagey to support even a shred of evidence of impropriety that it implies.

 

[shakes3858]

If "recruiting" is defined broadly, then NU is definitely recruiting pre-teens, as is any collegiate program that publishes schedules, markets itself to the general public, organizes itself within a Power 5 Conference, attends community service offerings as a team, etc.

The "accusation" that is posted in the opening thread is too vague and cagey to support even a shred of evidence of impropriety that it implies.

Spot on. Until either side can sign on the dotted line or there is at least an expectation that both sides can and will fulfill their responsibilities, then there is no offer.

 

[WaveJumper]

You guys are funny!

Who implied impropriety? I merely reported a FACT. I made no judgement about the act of offering an 8th grader. Only suggested that you all obviously don't know much about how, and when NU recruits athletes in certain sports.

The fact is - that NU did (really did, Shakes) offer an 8th grade girl softball player a FULL ride. Contrary to your statement that there was no offer, there was an offer. And the fact is, that the OFFER was accepted. Obviously, the offer can not be consummated until the recipient is able to sign the scholarship agreement. Perhaps you meant to say that there is no contractual agreement, but sure as the sun will rise tomorrow, there is an offer.

I also said twice that it was NOT football.

You may want to believe that NU doesn't do this. But then you would be wrong.

 

[SciCat]

You guys are funny!

Who implied impropriety? I merely reported a FACT. I made no judgement about the act of offering an 8th grader. Only suggested that you all obviously don't know much about how, and when NU recruits athletes in certain sports.

The fact is - that NU did (really did, Shakes) offer an 8th grade girl softball player a FULL ride. Contrary to your statement that there was no offer, there was an offer. And the fact is, that the OFFER was accepted. Obviously, the offer can not be consummated until the recipient is able to sign the scholarship agreement. Perhaps you meant to say that there is no contractual agreement, but sure as the sun will rise tomorrow, there is an offer.

I also said twice that it was NOT football.

You may want to believe that NU doesn't do this. But then you would be wrong.

What a quandary we have here. Unless you were part of the conversation where the "offer was made", you don't know the conditions. A formal scholarship offer cannot be issued by any athletic department member until admissions has cleared the student for admission. Did they say " if....then you will"? There's absolutely nothing wrong with this, legally or ethically.

It's also interesting that they supposedly offered a "full ride". NU rarely odds full rides for non-revenue producing women's sports.

 

[WaveJumper]

OK, I'm done. Obviously a lot of non-scholarship, wannabees have much more knowledge of this specific situation than I do.

Thanks for playing wishful thinking.

 

[Gladeskat]

OK, I'm done. Obviously a lot of non-scholarship, wannabees have much more knowledge of this specific situation than I do.

Thanks for playing wishful thinking.

The wannabees simply don't know who you are or what your qualifications are. They tend to inject themselves in that vacuum of information. "When the cat's away, the mice will play" sort of thing. The guys who've "strapped it on and entered the various sports arenas" need to assert ourselves again on the board over those with pencil-necked, pom-pom opinions.

 

[hdhntr1]

What a quandary we have here. Unless you were part of the conversation where the "offer was made", you don't know the conditions. A formal scholarship offer cannot be issued by any athletic department member until admissions has cleared the student for admission. Did they say " if....then you will"? There's absolutely nothing wrong with this, legally or ethically.

It's also interesting that they supposedly offered a "full ride". NU rarely odds full rides for non-revenue producing women's sports.

I would guess that they offer far more full rides for non revenue women's sports than for men's. They have to balance out FB scholarships and the only way to do that is rides in non revenue women's sports.

 

[Mr. Stupor]

I would guess that they offer far more full rides for non revenue women's sports than for men's. They have to balance out FB scholarships and the only way to do that is rides in non revenue women's sports.

No question that there are more full rides for women's sports. And as to the 8th grader issue, there's no doubt that 8th grade girls are a much safer bet for rides than boys. 13 year old girls have done quite well in many womens' sports. Andrea Jeager. Michelle Wie. Just about all of US Olympic gymnasts. Softball is a different animal, though. I'll bet this girl has had at least 3 older sisters be awesome D-1 players, and coaches are saying "she's as good as her sisters" and there's a consistent physical element among the sisters. Under circumstances like that, offering an 8th grader starts making sense...

 

[wildcat229]

No question that there are more full rides for women's sports.

Not really the case -

For the men's 8 sports, the NCAA equivalent scholarship limits total 148.4 scholarships. For the women's 11 sports, the NCAA equivalent scholarship limits total 122 scholarships.

The NCAA classifies sports into "headcount" and :"equivalency" sports. Students receiving scholarships for headcount sports are limited to the number of scholarships allowed; i.e. all scholarships are generally "full ride". For NU, head count sports are football (85) and basketball (13) for the men, and basketball (15), tennis (8) and volleyball (12) for the women.

All other sports are "equivalency" sports where scholarships can be broken up so that more students than the scholarship limit for individual sports can receive aid. Hence, the use of partial scholarships in all of these sports.

This past year, the women's cross country team was upgraded to a "track and field" team with an increase in equivalent scholarships from 6 to 18.

 

[Mr. Stupor]

No question that there are more full rides for women's sports.

Not really the case -

For the men's 8 sports, the NCAA equivalent scholarship limits total 148.4 scholarships. For the women's 11 sports, the NCAA equivalent scholarship limits total 122 scholarships.

The NCAA classifies sports into "headcount" and :"equivalency" sports. Students receiving scholarships for headcount sports are limited to the number of scholarships allowed; i.e. all scholarships are generally "full ride". For NU, head count sports are football (85) and basketball (13) for the men, and basketball (15), tennis (8) and volleyball (12) for the women.

All other sports are "equivalency" sports where scholarships can be broken up so that more students than the scholarship limit for individual sports can receive aid. Hence, the use of partial scholarships in all of these sports.

This past year, the women's cross country team was upgraded to a "track and field" team with an increase in equivalent scholarships from 6 to 18.

Given football, the fact that the numbers are even close makes the point. You have to throw out football because it skews the numbers too much.

 

[WaveJumper]

Pretty good guess Stupor, she does have a half-sister with D-1 talent. But the offer was based on what she has done.

Of course it is conditional on her meeting admissions requirements, but I doubt that will be a problem. This (2015-2016) will be her junior year in H.S. If she doesn't opt to start college early, she will be on NU's roster in fall 2017.

I was hoping my granddaughter would also be offered, but that didn't happen. For what it's worth, my granddaughter now holds five all-time softball records at her high school. For those of you who haven't experienced it, the recruiting game can be a cruel bitch.