Rpi question
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Their opponents. And I'm not complaining, by the way; they give us two top 50 RPI wins, which is one of the key components the NCAA committee looks at.
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Hope you don't mind my reposting this (buried in another thread), but NCAA is looking to lessen use of RPI - going to meet w/ Sagarin, Pomeroy and others:
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...nalytics-experts-consider-creating-new-metric
http://www.breitbart.com/sports/201...ye-test-blowouts-vs-wins-march-madness-picks/
Kenpom link:http://kenpom.com/index.php
SagarinLink http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/sagarin/
Interestingly both have us at #31.
SagarinLink http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/sagarin/
Interestingly both have us at #31.
RPI doesn't "rank" teams. It is mainly a measure of strength of schedule. Having a numerically "low" RPI means that you played and beat good teams. NU gets dinged because they lost at home, and gets credit for beating PSU, Rutgers and Nebraska on the road. From wiki:
The current and commonly used formula for determining the RPI of a college basketball team at any given time is as follows.
RPI = (WP * 0.25) + (OWP * 0.50) + (OOWP * 0.25)
where WP is Winning Percentage, OWP is Opponents' Winning Percentage and OOWP is Opponents' Opponents' Winning Percentage.
The WP is calculated by taking a team's wins divided by the number of games it has played (i.e. wins plus losses).
For Division 1 NCAA Men's basketball, the WP factor of the RPI was updated in 2004 to account for differences in home, away, and neutral games. A home win now counts as 0.6 win, while a road win counts as 1.4 wins. Inversely, a home loss equals 1.4 losses, while a road loss counts as 0.6 loss. A neutral game counts as 1 win or 1 loss. This change was based on statistical data that consistently showed home teams in Division I basketball winning about two-thirds of the time.[3] Note that this location adjustment applies only to the WP factor and not the OWP and OOWP factors.
The RPI formula also has many flaws. Due to the heavy weighting of opponents winning percentage, beating a team with a bad RPI may actually hurt your RPI. In addition, losing to a good RPI team can help your RPI.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rating_Percentage_Index
Then there's this page at Massey compiling seemingly all the computer rankings--NU sits at 28th currently.
http://www.masseyratings.com/cb/compare.htm
http://www.masseyratings.com/cb/compare.htm
Nice win tonight by the Flyers. They're at the top of the Atlantic 10 now, and our win over them is looking better and better.
Yeah, but Archie's wife is still a tool.......
Nice win for Wake Forest Wednesday over Miami, too. Hope they can follow it up at NC State tomorrow. We need these teams to keep winning esp with Texas in the tank!
I think it is safe to assume this far into the season that NU's RPI will not be what keeps it out of the tournament. Collins and Phillips did their job building a strong OOC schedule, and the team did their job finishing 11-2. If NU can finish 6th or higher in the Big 10 they are in. It is now all about doing what is in the team's control, winning Big 10 games and avoiding "bad losses". I think they get it done.
Sure, but if they don't do those things, their RPI will drop. One doesn't exist separate of the other.
In priority order:
1) NU Wins
2) RPI
If NU takes care of 1), then 2) is a given at this point.
Wake didn't just beat Miami - they crushed them. Wake is a good team that will pull off some upsets in conference play.
Six of our remaining twelve games are against Indiana, Purdue, Wisconsin and Maryland. I'd love to win at least three of those, but it will be tough. Maryland at home will especially be a big (and winnable) game. Those are the games that will get us the valuable RPI wins.
I think we can win 5 of 6 from the first group, and 5 of 6 from the rest. A record of 14-4 in the B1G will put us right near the top. Dream big. I don't want to barely back into the NCAA tournament, I want to charge in like a storm as the Cats did in 1995 when they ran the B1G table to get to Pasadena.
Think NU has a shot against all of the above, except Purdue. There two bigs are scary good.
Swanigan is very good and I look forward to seeing how Lumpkin handles him when playing the 4. Haas has skill, but is surprisingly soft for such a big guy. Purdue is really unpredictable this year. If Iowa can beat them on the road, i think the Cats have a chance. I'd say that this Cats team has a chance to win in every remaining game on the schedule.
FWIW, RealTime RPI has us going 7-5 the rest of way (5 road losses) to finish 22-9, 11-7.
I would take that (as long as Charlie Hall gets his basket).
I would take that (as long as Charlie Hall gets his basket).
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NU is in the Tournament if that happens (22-9 that is, Charlie's bucket would be a bonus).
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