Rutgers and Maryland
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But, oh baby, look at that footprint!
I hope the B1G bailout has strengthened Maryland's finances. Rutgers has been a bust in every way (seemingly they still suck at all sports, nobody in NYC cares about them still, and they're our police blotter leaders...)
I think expansion is pretty much over at this point, but I really wish that the B1G would make another run at Ga Tech and ... someone else. (Probably UNC, but Kentucky is contiguous... Sheesh, can't believe the conference ignored Mizzou...)
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Passing on Mizzou was stupid. I would not go into the ACC at all.
If we expand (and this may mean we do not), I would add the likes of Oklahoma and Texas. We did charity the last time around for the sake of footprint. Time to add another Nebraska or PSU (even though they are weak these days). UT is watching TAMU (and quite frankly TCU) pass them and become the premier programs in the state of Texas. They may be more inclined to make a bold move than before. With OU, I know they don't fit the academic profile, but for the sake of bringing in UT and getting us back on par with the SEC (and because we flubbed on Mizzou), I say we hold our noses, especially since Nebraska lost it's AAU status anyways.
If we expand (and this may mean we do not), I would add the likes of Oklahoma and Texas. We did charity the last time around for the sake of footprint. Time to add another Nebraska or PSU (even though they are weak these days). UT is watching TAMU (and quite frankly TCU) pass them and become the premier programs in the state of Texas. They may be more inclined to make a bold move than before. With OU, I know they don't fit the academic profile, but for the sake of bringing in UT and getting us back on par with the SEC (and because we flubbed on Mizzou), I say we hold our noses, especially since Nebraska lost it's AAU status anyways.
Academics at UT are actually quite good. They have put a ton of oil money into upgrading the faculty. I'm not saying that the football players are top scholars, but I'd posit that academics at UT are better on average than Missouri or TCU or Baylor.
I meant OU and corrected it. UT is definitely an academic powerhouse and more than worthy of the B1G and the CIC. The sake of bringing in UT part assumes that they'd be more inclined to come with the OU rivalry intact and that with the Sooners coming over they make the B1G an even stronger and more powerful conference and hence more attractive.
Hmmm. I do not believe Rutgers sucks at all sports. Didn't Rutgers whip UNC in a bowl game last year (40-21)? By the way, were we in a bowl game last year?
When Rutgers fans post here, they seem to have a positive attitude about NU and are enthusiastic about being in the B1G. I suggest we make an effort to return the favor. Schools are judged not just by the performance of their teams, but also by the behavior of their fans.
Is there some way to drop these 2 turds? MD fans hate the BIG. RU fans are good, but the school isn't a good fit for the BIG.
Maryland won several league championships last year, went to a bowl game and is one of the favorites to win the men's basketball championship this year. A lot of Marylanders are being won over by the improvement in revenues, including Tom McMillen, whom I believe was the only trustee to vote against the move. Attendance in football and most other sports has been up, including volleyball and wrestling, which are not tradition-heavy sports at Maryland. Certainly, there is a lot of ACC nostalgia, but that should mellow out over time. The ACC, especially in basketball, has centered on the North Carolina triangle, and they were never quick to do Maryland any big favors.
If I ever venture to the Rutgers board,
I'll be plenty respectful of their dominant program, and the great success of Ray Rice and his followers. (I don't venture to other boards, except to get banned from Peegs when that Elston punk cheap-shotted Marcotullio five or six years ago.)
Fact is, going to Rutgers to 'access New York' is the same as annexing Moncton in order to access Canada. (Nobody in those locales cares.)
Obviously, Rutgers was nothing but a mandatory sports tier cable package eyeballs play (you bought it, now we're adding BTN, whether you like it or not). I hope the B1G gets its money's worth in the next 3-5 years, because it'll all dry up when the world heads a la cart/cut the cord, as it already is.
Im fine, though not enthusiastic, about Maryland. I think Ga Tech would be a spectacular addition.
GT is also very highly ranked and would be a good addition, although I would take UT/OU in a heartbeat.
We should u wind
I still hate the fact that we dumbed down the conference with Rutgers and MD. They don't belong. They've married well above what they deserve. And I still believe that in the long run, Delany will prove to be the worst thing to ever happen to this conference. He brokered all these deals with the devil. And when they blow up it'll all be on him.
I still hate the fact that we dumbed down the conference with Rutgers and MD. They don't belong. They've married well above what they deserve. And I still believe that in the long run, Delany will prove to be the worst thing to ever happen to this conference. He brokered all these deals with the devil. And when they blow up it'll all be on him.
The biggest benefit from Maryland and Rutgers was the East-West split in football division. I think that will help us in the long run.
As far as whether they " belong" in the B1G, well they are here. It makes no sense arguing about it and only makes us look like snobbish pathetic aholes. There wa a time when there was a question of whether Northwestern belonged in the B1G. I think we proved our worth on and off the field but it took time. I don't want to be that fanbase that looks down on other schools. THAT attitude is beneath me.
As far as whether they " belong" in the B1G, well they are here. It makes no sense arguing about it and only makes us look like snobbish pathetic aholes. There wa a time when there was a question of whether Northwestern belonged in the B1G. I think we proved our worth on and off the field but it took time. I don't want to be that fanbase that looks down on other schools. THAT attitude is beneath me.
Wait a minute!
Last year Maryland was third in the East at 4-4 and Rutgers was tied for 4th in the East with Michigan at 3-5
Northwestern at 3-5 and SIXTH in the West.
Now WHY are we complaining about Rutgers and Maryland? Certainly not because they are the doormats of the B1G. Those that live in glass houses.....I know, three B1G titles in the past 20 years. We are simply not in a position to be criticizing these two schools, at least not about football.
Last year Maryland was third in the East at 4-4 and Rutgers was tied for 4th in the East with Michigan at 3-5
Northwestern at 3-5 and SIXTH in the West.
Now WHY are we complaining about Rutgers and Maryland? Certainly not because they are the doormats of the B1G. Those that live in glass houses.....I know, three B1G titles in the past 20 years. We are simply not in a position to be criticizing these two schools, at least not about football.
...gosh, that stat was way more impressive when it was "three in the past six years", or "three in the last ten years", or "three in the last 15 years"...
I think we need to stop hanging our hat on wins for players who are could be fathers of teenagers at this point.
And my main point is not "we're so great and MD and Rutgers suck." My point is mostly that, in a world where the B1G didn't need to expand, why should the B1G settle for programs with as many warts as Maryland and Rutgers?
Ga Tech, UNC, Texas, Notre Dame, Florida, Mizzou, arguably Kansas, arguably Oklahoma, definitely University of Toronto all would have been better, more well-round options (depending on your goals, of course.)
The goal here was clearly expansion to major markets exclusively for purposes of cable subscribers. And, again, the cable subscriber cash cow is going to be a short term benefit.
If the goal was gaining cable subscribers--and I think it clearly was--it's pretty hard to do better than picking up the state of Texas and it's Dust Bowl cousin.
Precisely. Rutgers and Maryland were both more successful than us last year. We put the succ in success for two years. Oh, and while Texas is a behemoth, they have been terrible with no end in sight, and Missouri, I agree is doing well, isn't the second coming of ND/Stanford etc
Don't hate on our brothers
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Maryland was highly successful in their first year in the Big Ten. In football and other sports. Their football program lacks a bit with the current coach but over time they will be solid. In other sports they will be highly successful. So all positive. Rutgers, not so much so.
Not adding Missouri was clueless. Complete fit in sports, academics and culture.
Not adding Missouri was clueless. Complete fit in sports, academics and culture.
Missouri would have made a great founding partner, or a great addition 50 years ago, but in this day and age they were "more of the same."
Texas is the reason the entire Big 12 is in a weird a loveless marriage. The UT brand is strong and they are a valuable (the most valuable?) property in college athletics, but they are toxic like Notre Dame in wanting to be the prettiest girl at the dance and force everyone to acknowledge it, which doesn't work in the socialist B1G. I don't know how close we ever truly came to picking them up with ND, but for the long-term sustainability of the conference, I'm glad we didn't.
And honestly, I don't want to see us touch UNC with a 10-foot pole. They are an academic fraud when it comes to athletics and I would honestly like to see NU shun even a bowl bid to play them. They have no honor or integrity and don't deserve to share a field with us.
Rutgers and Maryland...a marriage of convenience if there ever was one in conference realignment. Rutgers became the Jerry Springer show the minute they fired Tim Pernetti - the only reason Rutgers made it into the Big Ten in the first place. I would have preferred UVA and VT, but whatever.
Texas is the reason the entire Big 12 is in a weird a loveless marriage. The UT brand is strong and they are a valuable (the most valuable?) property in college athletics, but they are toxic like Notre Dame in wanting to be the prettiest girl at the dance and force everyone to acknowledge it, which doesn't work in the socialist B1G. I don't know how close we ever truly came to picking them up with ND, but for the long-term sustainability of the conference, I'm glad we didn't.
And honestly, I don't want to see us touch UNC with a 10-foot pole. They are an academic fraud when it comes to athletics and I would honestly like to see NU shun even a bowl bid to play them. They have no honor or integrity and don't deserve to share a field with us.
Rutgers and Maryland...a marriage of convenience if there ever was one in conference realignment. Rutgers became the Jerry Springer show the minute they fired Tim Pernetti - the only reason Rutgers made it into the Big Ten in the first place. I would have preferred UVA and VT, but whatever.
Actually both are fine additions to the Big Ten and both are sleeping Giants , who will benefit greatly both academically and Athletically from Big Ten money.
When Schiano had Rutgers undefeated after 8-9 games a few years ago the Rutgers buzz could be head from Long Island to Philly , they were in the front pages of Newspapers and were the lead in spinets shows every night, if they can keep JUST an extra two top NJ/ NY/conn players every year out of the 44 div 1 kids that come out of just NJ, they will be highly competitive.
Rutgers had an increase of OOS applications last year in the area of 15%, their new Honors College is already very highly regarded and they are ranked higher than quite a few other Big Ten colleges as academic institutions also.
They and Maryland both bring a lot of TV screens and money potential to the table
When Schiano had Rutgers undefeated after 8-9 games a few years ago the Rutgers buzz could be head from Long Island to Philly , they were in the front pages of Newspapers and were the lead in spinets shows every night, if they can keep JUST an extra two top NJ/ NY/conn players every year out of the 44 div 1 kids that come out of just NJ, they will be highly competitive.
Rutgers had an increase of OOS applications last year in the area of 15%, their new Honors College is already very highly regarded and they are ranked higher than quite a few other Big Ten colleges as academic institutions also.
They and Maryland both bring a lot of TV screens and money potential to the table
Any school that has to have an honors college sucks. It's such an obvious admission, it's undebatable. Yet somehow, somebody here will debate it anyway...
It gets worse for RU. They have suspended star receiver Leonte Carroo:
''Leonte Carroo has been suspended from our program as a result of an incident that happened last night outside of our stadium that is currently under investigation,'' coach Kyle Flood said.
That team seems to be pretty much out of control.
Kansas? If Kansas, presumably for basketball, then why not MD, which has an actual football program with recent success? Perhaps you are counting on metro KC to support, then I say it is the same as the RU/NYC argument.
OK so leaving out the Kansas hyperbole, one thing people don't get when they say it is for cable subscribers, do you realize how many visiting fans descend on MD and RU? Jeez I went to the dOSU MD game last year and it was like an NU/OSU game re fan support. Likewise, we are going to Sparty/RU in a month. People from ESU (Enormous State University) want to visit DC and NY. OR, equally likely, they LIVE there and want to see their team. They don't want to go to Kansas or Oklahoma (says a guy that lived in IOWA for six years for chrissakes).
I do agree that the Big 12 continues to be vulnerable to departures. Also agree that Tex and ND would be better "gets"; however, I'm sure they were approached and the gap could not be bridged. Maryland will be fine. RU probably will be if they ever get their head out of their a$$3s re off the field issues.
Totally agree. RU and Mary are ABSOLUTELY PERFECT additions for all the right reasons...LOTS of unrealized potential....If RU created all that buzz a few years ago, imagine what would happen if they had a magical season now in the B1G....say RU in the B1G championship game....it'd be humongous....
Fact is the fortunes of athletic programs rise and fall....IOA was terrible a few decades ago, while Minny was a powerhouse earlier, as was Army...and of course there is the case of NU....RU today is in a much better position than NU was back in the early 90's...and we all know how that went...Mary is in an even better position. If NU did it, no questions RU or Mary (two flagship universities from populous states in major metropolitan areas) can definitely do it as well.
