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Somewhat OT: MSU Pulls Offer

Insecure much? That will not help your recruiting Mark.
I think it'll greatly help recruiting by limiting the number of decommitments by kids shopping around after they committed while you think you have them in the bag. There's nothing worse then when you have 1 prospect commit, back off of a 2nd prospect, watch another school pick him up, and then have your 1st prospect decomit. Now you're scrambling try to find a replacement. It's especially bad when the 2nd prospect is the one you wanted.

I'm pretty confident that happened to us with QBs. We were recruiting Deuce Wallace and Joshua Jackson. Wallace committed but didn't sound too convincing. We stopped recruiting Jackson (which to my untrained eye was the first choice). Wallace decommitted and we returned to Jackson. It appear like it was too little too late and Joshua Jackson went to Virginia Tech. We quickly got a commitment from Aidan Smith. While many on the board think Smith is the best of the 3, Smith was definitely the last QB from that group to get a scholarship offer. I believe, as does the moderator, that if Wallace didn't commit, we would've had Jackson. I also believe, don't know about the moderator, that Wallace just committed to hold his spot in case Jackson jumped on board.

If a recruit is playing games like that and is looking around, then I think it helps your recruiting to get rid of him as quickly as possible and recruit your other guys.
 
I think it'll greatly help recruiting by limiting the number of decommitments by kids shopping around after they committed while you think you have them in the bag. There's nothing worse then when you have 1 prospect commit, back off of a 2nd prospect, watch another school pick him up, and then have your 1st prospect decomit. Now you're scrambling try to find a replacement. It's especially bad when the 2nd prospect is the one you wanted.

I'm pretty confident that happened to us with QBs. We were recruiting Deuce Wallace and Joshua Jackson. Wallace committed but didn't sound too convincing. We stopped recruiting Jackson (which to my untrained eye was the first choice). Wallace decommitted and we returned to Jackson. It appear like it was too little too late and Joshua Jackson went to Virginia Tech. We quickly got a commitment from Aidan Smith. While many on the board think Smith is the best of the 3, Smith was definitely the last QB from that group to get a scholarship offer. I believe, as does the moderator, that if Wallace didn't commit, we would've had Jackson. I also believe, don't know about the moderator, that Wallace just committed to hold his spot in case Jackson jumped on board.

If a recruit is playing games like that and is looking around, then I think it helps your recruiting to get rid of him as quickly as possible and recruit your other guys.

The question is how do you know if the recruit is "holding a spot"? OSU can do whatever they want, they have the top rated class in the country. Someone decommits, they just go out and cherry pick a top recruit that already committed to a lesser program. We can't do this and often end up with a lightly recruited target. Sometimes it works out like it seems to have with XWash.

Last year our run of commits was on the DL. We ultimately lost Zach Allen at the 11th hour. This year it was the OL and I sure hope we aren't a victim of a decommit there, especially to Hardballs again. Unfortunately, iMO the system is broke and gives ALL of the advantages to the top programs that just sit back and offer the sleepers that the next tier programs identify before they take off in their Senior year. There has to be a better process, and for a school like NU I think the Fitz policy makes some sense.
 
Man, you must really have no life if you are trolling a Northwestern football board. If I was a Buckeye fan I'd spend zero time on other boards.
he was referring to Mark Dantonio, not us.
 
Man, you must really have no life if you are trolling a Northwestern football board. If I was a Buckeye fan I'd spend zero time on other boards.

I prefer going on other boards. I find it more interesting to have discussions where people have very different views. But I don't post with the intention to flame. Well, I might have on the Michigan board a few times..but more in fun than to be derogatory.
 
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I go back and forth with the whole players being allowed to visit other schools after committing, but I lean more on letting them. I'm sure very few coaches tell the prospects that they really want, "I don't want you to commit to our program until National LOI Day in case you change your mind."

So if the coaches are putting more pressure on players to commit before they are ready, or while recruiting classes are still fluid, then i can't blame a player if they change their minds.

And if a coach tells a player that they can't look at other schools or change their minds after they give a verbal commitment, then to avoid being a hypocrite, they should refuse to allow players who have given verbals to other schools from visiting their own schools and flipping in their favor.
 
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I go back and forth with the whole players being allowed to visit other schools after committing, but I lean more on letting them. I'm sure very few coaches tell the prospects that they really want, "I don't want you to commit to our program until National LOI Day in case you change your mind."

So if the coaches are putting more pressure on players to commit before they are ready, or while recruiting classes are still fluid, then i can't blame a player if they change their minds.

And if a coach tells a player that they can't look at other schools or change their minds after they give a verbal commitment, then to avoid being a hypocrite, they should refuse to allow players who have given verbals to other schools from visiting their own schools and flipping in their favor.

Strangely, the rest of the university somehow survives and thrives by letting kids know in March if they got in, except for Early Commitment types. They know they will get a certain percentage of commits and some will turn them down. They wait-list others just in case.
 
I go back and forth with the whole players being allowed to visit other schools after committing, but I lean more on letting them. I'm sure very few coaches tell the prospects that they really want, "I don't want you to commit to our program until National LOI Day in case you change your mind."

So if the coaches are putting more pressure on players to commit before they are ready, or while recruiting classes are still fluid, then i can't blame a player if they change their minds.

And if a coach tells a player that they can't look at other schools or change their minds after they give a verbal commitment, then to avoid being a hypocrite, they should refuse to allow players who have given verbals to other schools from visiting their own schools and flipping in their favor.

I think NU doesn't allow a visit unless the athlete has de-committed.
 
I think NU doesn't allow a visit unless the athlete has de-committed.
I believe the article I saw on Flynn Nagel said that Fitz told Nagel that he wouldn't receive his scholarship offer until he decommitted from Duke. Nagel did, Fitz offered, Nagel committed. Their's a pretty fine line giving a kid offer in hopes he decommits, and telling him that if he decommits, then an offer will be available. I'm not going to toe that line. I imagine the stance on taking visitors is the same.

The issue, which I've said over and over, is that signing day is a joke and the only people it favors are ESPN, and Rivals, and the like. It does nothing for the kids. It does nothing for the schools. It does nothing at all. I believe the original idea was to not pressure kids into committing to anything until a certain date. Yet, all we do is talk about commitments and decommitments. They need to get rid of signing day and let kids sign whenever they want. Make a binding commitment with some outs for the kids if the college is sanctioned by the NCAA, a coach leaves or is fired, personal situations (sick family member, pregnant girlfriend...) require a player stays closer to home.

Now players game the system by committing to safety schools while waiting on offers. That's matched by coaches over recruiting or recruiting safety players that they can cut loose as time goes on.
 
When T. Pryor didn't commit on LOI Day he got a lot of bad publicity. While he certainly did enough to get some bad publicity, I think the negative response in this case want completely warranted. LOI Day was supposed to designate the first time players could officially commit. Not the last time.

I agree Shakes that players should b allowed to commit whenever they like. There's a risk for both an early or a late commit, but it should be the player's choice. As a footnote, I do believe that they should be allowed to de-commit if the head coach leaves for any reason.
 
Insecure much? That will not help your recruiting Mark.
Disagree. Setting up your program to allow kids to accept your offer but stay in the recruiting process with other schools so that they can jump ship at the last minute is worse. This kid appears to have been working for an offer from OSU and would have dropped MSU at the last minute if one was proffered. Who knows if the 3-star they picked up would have been available then.

Dantonio has a topnotch recruiting class and is developing a borderline premier program. He might as well start acting like it.

Send the message to your recruits and go ahead and pick up the kid that is not going to drop you at the last minute.
 
Allowing your verbal,commits to visit other programs is a risk. Telling players that if they commit then they decide to take a look at other schools will cause them to lose their offer is also a risk.

The Coach just needs to decide what is a bigger risk for his program. Urban Meyer as well as Tressel allow players to look elsewhere if just to ensure that they made a right decision in committing in the first place. It tends to happen much more frequently with out of state players. Kareem Walker, the number one ranked runningback in the country and OSU commit was in Arizona State this weekend looking at the school.
 
Allowing your verbal,commits to visit other programs is a risk. Telling players that if they commit then they decide to take a look at other schools will cause them to lose their offer is also a risk.

The Coach just needs to decide what is a bigger risk for his program. Urban Meyer as well as Tressel allow players to look elsewhere if just to ensure that they made a right decision in committing in the first place. It tends to happen much more frequently with out of state players. Kareem Walker, the number one ranked runningback in the country and OSU commit was in Arizona State this weekend looking at the school.

To be fair, when you have one of the historically top 5 or 6 programs in the entire country, you can afford to be pretty liberal with letting kids look around...........someone decommits, you just plug in the next guy and keep on rolling. OSU has advantages to offer players that very, very few other schools have. Heck, MSU isn't even historically the premier program in its own state!
 
Insecure much? That will not help your recruiting Mark.
Dantonio did the right thing. Recruits think they are bigger than the programs they commit to. Fitz would most likely do the same thing I am guessing. If a player commits to a school, why would he go to your rival school and compete for an offer? If a guy got engaged to a woman and the guy tried to have sex with her sister, would you call the woman insecure when she dumped him? Dantonio makes it clear when a player commits whst is expected of him. Dantonio and his staff are one of the most straight forward and honest staffs in NCAA football in my opinion.
 
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Dantonio did the right thing. Recruits think they are bigger than the programs they commit to. Fitz would most likely do the same thing I am guessing. If a player commits to a school, why would he go to your rival school and compete for an offer? If a guy got engaged to a woman and the guy tried to have sex with her sister, would you call the woman insecure when she dumped him? Dantonio makes it clear when a player commits whst is expected of him. Dantonio and his staff are one of the most straight forward and honest staffs in NCAA football in my opinion.

How was the visit last month?
 
How was the visit last month?
Fitz is awesome. I believe in him as a coach and leader. Great example to our young men. Fitz is honest, straight forward, loves NU, and genuinely cares for his players. What Father of a recruit wouldn't love that?
 
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Fitz is awesome. I believe in him as a coach and leader. Great example to our young men. Fitz is honest, straight forward, loves NU, and genuinely cares for his players. What Father of a recruit wouldn't love that?

It's wonderful when people can look to how a decision can affect their entire lives.
 
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Fitz is awesome. I believe in him as a coach and leader. Great example to our young men. Fitz is honest, straight forward, loves NU, and genuinely cares for his players. What Father of a recruit wouldn't love that?

Great to hear. Did you ask him for an update on the Lakeside Facility?
 
Great to hear. Did you ask him for an update on the Lakeside Facility?
The Lakeside facilities are going along as planned. Fitz can only tell me what he is told. But there have been positive changes made to the original plans that will make the facilities even nicer. The Lakefront is a tricky venture due to where it is and preserving the beauty of the area. I have faith that within the next two years everything will be completed. Fitz is just as anxious as anyone to see it built. We spent a great amount of time with Fitz, love how straight forward he is and how he is with the players. I seriously trust him, and I don't give my trust too easily.
 
It's wonderful when people can look to how a decision can affect their entire lives.
The most important thing to me is that a coching staff continues to develop my son in a positive manner. That they share the same morals and beliefs that I raised him with. Fitz is great example for anyone to follow.
 
The Lakeside facilities are going along as planned. Fitz can only tell me what he is told. But there have been positive changes made to the original plans that will make the facilities even nicer. The Lakefront is a tricky venture due to where it is and preserving the beauty of the area. I have faith that within the next two years everything will be completed. Fitz is just as anxious as anyone to see it built. We spent a great amount of time with Fitz, love how straight forward he is and how he is with the players. I seriously trust him, and I don't give my trust too easily.

Thanks. Great to hear. Glad you had an excellent visit, and looking forward to watching Jango this fall.
 
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I go back and forth with the whole players being allowed to visit other schools after committing, but I lean more on letting them. I'm sure very few coaches tell the prospects that they really want, "I don't want you to commit to our program until National LOI Day in case you change your mind."

So if the coaches are putting more pressure on players to commit before they are ready, or while recruiting classes are still fluid, then i can't blame a player if they change their minds.

And if a coach tells a player that they can't look at other schools or change their minds after they give a verbal commitment, then to avoid being a hypocrite, they should refuse to allow players who have given verbals to other schools from visiting their own schools and flipping in their favor.
That said, they probably say "Don't commit to us unless you are sure. If your are not, check out other places before you commit. Of course we do only have x number of fill in the blank in this class. Basically, be sure before you accept but try to do it in a timely manner.
 
That said, they probably say "Don't commit to us unless you are sure. If your are not, check out other places before you commit. Of course we do only have x number of fill in the blank in this class. Basically, be sure before you accept but try to do it in a timely manner.
You can't commit to MSU without meeting Dantonio. Dantonio will ask the recruits if they are 100% sure they want to be a Spartan. He then tells them to shut down their recruiting and explains what is permitted and what isn't. He also tell his recruits to ask if they have any doubts about what is permitted.
 
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The Lakeside facilities are going along as planned. Fitz can only tell me what he is told. But there have been positive changes made to the original plans that will make the facilities even nicer. The Lakefront is a tricky venture due to where it is and preserving the beauty of the area. I have faith that within the next two years everything will be completed. Fitz is just as anxious as anyone to see it built. We spent a great amount of time with Fitz, love how straight forward he is and how he is with the players. I seriously trust him, and I don't give my trust too easily.
That is really encouraging to hear. It is going to be a great boost to the program. IMO
 
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