Tavaras Hardy named coach at Loyola
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Loyola (Md.) – For those, like me, who were confused by the title.
That's a nice first head coaching job for him. He'll have a chance to build a program without undue pressure.
Congrats to Tavaras. Excellent opportunity to establish himself. He has prepared himself. Best wishes for his success. It should be interesting when they play Holy Cross.
It's a good time to be on the Loyola train, even if it's a different Loyola. Congrats and good luck to a great Wildcat.
Agreed. Hardy or Baldwin would both be great coaches at NU.
And just how do you know this? Just because they were solid players and assistants at NU doesn't mean they will be "great" head coaches........
What’s wrong with a little belief without evidence? But seriously, I should have said they would be great hires ... down the line.
Thank you, but hell no. Tavaras was a great Cat, and I think a decent recruiter.
But, this blurb, automatically crosses him off my personal wishlist forever.
Asked what kind of coaching style he will bring to Loyola, Hardy said it will be a compilation from those he played for at Northwestern, Kevin O’Neill and Bill Carmody, and later worked under — Carmody, John Thompson III and Pastner.
I thin JTIII and Pastner sucked too (the former being influenced by Carmody), but KON was horrible and a drunk (whose only sniff at anything remotely resembling success at NU was due to Bill Foster's recruiting of Evan Eschmeyer) and a big fat NO to anyone who has had any influence by Bill Carmody. Carmody for any and all of his merits is someone I want NU to never have anything to do with again, in part because of the insufferable Carmody huggers that are like drain flies who won't go away, but also because 13 years of that bullcrap is enough.
Pat Baldwin for sure - at least he wasn't poisoned by Carmody, and has some lineage to the Coach K tree via Collins. Give me more Coach K lineage or someone else who has been exposed to what it takes to reach multiple final fours and national championship rings - not the mediocrity that was Bill Carmody.
On what basis does Pastner suck? I don't think he's great, but he always fields competent teams and he has been to the NCAA multiple times (just never advancing beyond the Round of 32, but neither has CCC). His first year with Georgia Tech he made the NIT finals, and he never had a losing season until last season, a season in which they still defeated Northwestern.
You realize that Pat Baldwin is actually older than Chris Collins? Both will be in their 50's when the current Collins contract runs out. Not exactly spring chickens and it would be a stretch to hire an older Baldwin if Collins doesn't work out.......
You should't even say that...as of TODAY we don't REALLY know whether or not they will be great hires "down the line"...it obviously depends on how their careers evolve...they MIGHT indeed become strong B1G coaching prospects...or they may NOT...we just don't know YET.
What NU needs (whenever the need arises) is to hire the best available candidate (available to NU, obviously)...if all things considered he happens to be an NU alumn, great...if not, so be it...CCC isn't an alumn and there are hopeful signs that he may be a long-term "solution" (already accomplished something no one else at NU had)...Gary Barnett isn't one, and we know what he accomplished in only a few years...so...may the best man win (alumn or not).
Well, given that he is under contract through 2025, someone who counts more than message board dopes believes he is a long-term solution......
I don't really know what is your point...CCC has had the best season in school's history (at least in the "modern" era). Still it is only ONE season. Time will tell whether or not he is the long term solution (even if there are people in positions of power who think/hope he is). I do HOPE he will PROVE to indeed be that solution.
P.S. Contract length is relevant but without knowing the buy-out terms it is difficult to assess its TRUE meaning. A ten-year contract with a one-year-salary buy-out clause would allow the school to make a change at any time with a modest financial penalty (and the school might even be able to discount from the BO future money the coach makes elsewhere, if any). I don't really know the BO terms for the case in question.
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Did you see the "modern" era reference? I don't know if there is an "official" definition, but the emergence of major post-season tournaments (NCAA and NIT in the late '30's) would seem a reasonable starting point for the "modern" era.
Since NU had never made the NCAAT before CCC, nor made the NIT when it was the more prestigious T (NU made neither T before 1983), then it's easy to argue that 2017 was NU best season in the modern era (no NIT appearance since 1983 would surpass in prestige the 2017 NCAAT appearance). So, it's an easy argument.
Agree. When Phillips made the contract extension announcement, he said something to the effect that the contract terms were such that neither side could practically break it. If he waited until Carmody's contract was up to fire him, I suspect he or his successor would do the same for Collins. NU doesn't seem to like to pay coaches not to coach.
It all comes down to money..if the program situation was to deteriorate to the point that paying the BO may be preferable than sustaining further damage for several years (to avoid paying it) then they should/would pay it (that is, the BO may be cheaper than allowing the situation to go on for several additional years). Anyhow, as mentioned earlier, BO terms typically allow schools to discount from the BO, money the fired coach makes elsewhere. If the fired coach retains a strong market value (say as a top assistant) then the money actually paid to him by the former school may not be as high as it seemed. Hopefully under CC the program state will never get to that point where paying the BO is even seriously explored.
Anything can flip on a dime in coaching. Chris Mack is a Xavier alum garnering 1-seed’s and he leaves his alma mater for a school some thought a candidate for the Death Penalty 6 months ago!
So every AD will have a super secret wishlist they’ll never admit to. If you have an active coaching tree, you have more options.
So every AD will have a super secret wishlist they’ll never admit to. If you have an active coaching tree, you have more options.
Exactly. The replacement would more likely be needed if Coach Collins decided to leave rather than if NU decided to buy him out.
