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The 3-2-1 going into Week 4

I like this like re Duke administration:

"The school presumably has an administration much more capable than Northwestern’s has shown. "
 
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I haven't figured out what's the driving principle of this coaching staff, but it's clearly not building for the future. In fact, it seems just the opposite.
 
They are trying to win games and secure their jobs while busting their asses. I wish them well, they are in the here and now!
Do really think that they are trying to secure their jobs, at NU??
 
Still think if Braun beats Howard and 1BIG team they offer him HC next year if he wants it.Maybe
a 3or5 year. Contract At A Big. Salary. Brings goodFCS asst coaches and a passel of good FCS players via portal. Well I can dream ,can't I?
 
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Still think if Braun beats Howard and 1BIG team they offer him HC next year if he wants it.Maybe
a 3or5 year. Contract At A Big. Salary. Brings goodFCS asst coaches and a passel of good FCS players via portal. Well I can dream ,can't I?
That would not be a bad idea. We might win two B1G games.
 
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Still think if Braun beats Howard and 1BIG team they offer him HC next year if he wants it.Maybe
a 3or5 year. Contract At A Big. Salary. Brings goodFCS asst coaches and a passel of good FCS players via portal. Well I can dream ,can't I?
I’ll say it again. Braun seems like a terrific guy and the DC job at a P5 was a significant promotion. I believe he had an excellent shot at sucess. However, he is not experienced enough to take over this program that is at it most critical point in decades! I hope he gets a chance to run a program down the line.
 
I’ll say it again. Braun seems like a terrific guy and the DC job at a P5 was a significant promotion. I believe he had an excellent shot at sucess. However, he is not experienced enough to take over this program that is at it most critical point in decades! I hope he gets a chance to run a program down the line.
Neither was Pat Fitzgerald.
 
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That's pretty damn informative. Just as I thought, the answer was without substance. I mean it's hard to defend bs with facts.

OK big boy, here's a few facts for you:

1) Gragg was nowhere near the TEAM at the most critical time of this entire soap opera. He was in what, Italy, ON VACATION. Good planning, when he damn well knew when the initial report was going to be released. At best, this was a dereliction of the duties and responsibilities of his position - at worst, it was cowardly!

2) During that vacation, he magnanimously spent a few minutes on a ONE WAY zoom call with the most important people, (outside of Fitzgerald), affected by his and Schiff's decision. And, of course, Gragg took no questions, abruptly left the call, and had no meaningful exchange with the players, at a time that it was most needed.

3) Instead of keeping his stupid mouth shut about the "Cats Against the World" T shirts, he just had to throw the team under the bus, yet again. He should have just STFU. The players had a right to express their distaste for the manner the situation was handled, or better yet, mis-handled.

4) He certainly did an outstanding job of recruiting and hiring the baseball coach.

5) I would guess, if you polled this board, or better yet alumni who are football season ticket holders (of which I have been one for 28 years, and also a Benchwarmer), Gragg would receive a 90% disapproval rating. Of course that's anecdotal, not a fact, but pretty damn much right on. Just ask yourself how many other relatives of Gragg have come forward to claim support for him on this board.

6) If you have any confidence in Gragg's ability to do an outstanding job in hiring the next football coach, you are a member of a very small group of people who need help in dealing with reality.

7) Finally, if you're a relative of his, please help him pack up his $hit, and move as far away as he can get from NU. His longevity in the job is a rather large negative exponential function. The only thing standing in the way of getting rid of him, is the doofus he reports to.

Was that informative enough for you bunky?
 
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OK big boy, here's a few facts for you:

1) Gragg was nowhere near the TEAM at the most critical time of this entire soap opera. He was in what, Italy, ON VACATION. Good planning, when he damn well knew when the initial report was going to be released. At best, this was a dereliction of the duties and responsibilities of his position - at worst, it was cowardly!

All three of the principals in the story thought that nobody would notice. All three are idiots.

“I was disappointed when I learned…” hahahahahahahahahah lolololololololol hahahahahahahahahahahahahah EVERYBODY KNEW EXCEPT THE HEAD COACH lololololololololololololololol
 
All three of the principals in the story thought that nobody would notice. All three are idiots.

“I was disappointed when I learned…” hahahahahahahahahah lolololololololol hahahahahahahahahahahahahah EVERYBODY KNEW EXCEPT THE HEAD COACH lololololololololololololololol
Didn’t miss an opportunity to let Wave’s facts open the door for your speculation, well done 320!
 
OK big boy, here's a few facts for you:

1) Gragg was nowhere near the TEAM at the most critical time of this entire soap opera. He was in what, Italy, ON VACATION. Good planning, when he damn well knew when the initial report was going to be released. At best, this was a dereliction of the duties and responsibilities of his position - at worst, it was cowardly!
Fact: The report was reviewed. A decision was made to suspend Fitz. He and Gragg met to discuss. After meeting, they shook hands. Fitz wished him a good vacation and Gragg said spend some time with your family and see you in two weeks. At this point, everyone was comfortable that this would rectify the situation and the issue would blow over and not become a big story.
2) During that vacation, he magnanimously spent a few minutes on a ONE WAY zoom call with the most important people, (outside of Fitzgerald), affected by his and Schiff's decision. And, of course, Gragg took no questions, abruptly left the call, and had no meaningful exchange with the players, at a time that it was most needed.
Fitz's firing was almost as much news to Gragg as it was to us. Gragg's method of addressing the team was directed by his superiors and the legal team. At this point, the University leadership realized that this was a case with potentially enormous consequences. Why do you think the BOT, Dr. Shill, Fitz, Gragg, or players have made statements from the podium or took direct questioning?
3) Instead of keeping his stupid mouth shut about the "Cats Against the World" T shirts, he just had to throw the team under the bus, yet again. He should have just STFU. The players had a right to express their distaste for the manner the situation was handled, or better yet, mis-handled.
BS. Gragg's statement concerning the t-shirts didn't reference the players in NO way. It was clearly addressing the staff's decision to wear the shirts.
4) He certainly did an outstanding job of recruiting and hiring the baseball coach.
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5) I would guess, if you polled this board, or better yet alumni who are football season ticket holders (of which I have been one for 28 years, and also a Benchwarmer), Gragg would receive a 90% disapproval rating. Of course that's anecdotal, not a fact, but pretty damn much right on. Just ask yourself how many other relatives of Gragg have come forward to claim support for him on this board.
No I haven't polled anyone. This issue and ramifications are much bigger than our tiny little NU bubble. I can guarantee you that if you polled the country, your sentiments would be so wildly supported. Does Gragg really have relatives on this board???
6) If you have any confidence in Gragg's ability to do an outstanding job in hiring the next football coach, you are a member of a very small group of people who need help in dealing with reality.
I have confidence that Gragg and his staff will vet several candidates and present them to the power brokers, who will ultimately decide who our next coach will be. This is the REALITY and the way that coaching hires are made in P5 football.
7) Finally, if you're a relative of his, please help him pack up his $hit, and move as far away as he can get from NU. His longevity in the job is a rather large negative exponential function. The only thing standing in the way of getting rid of him, is the doofus he reports to.

Was that informative enough for you bunky?
I'm not related to Gragg. I'm confident that when the time comes, Gragg's stuff will be packed without my help and yours.

PERHAPS THE PLAYERS SHOULD BE UPSET WITH GRAGG BECAUSE HE HASN'T REMOVED THE HAZERS FROM THE TEAM (For the record, I am not advocating for this).

One last thing, I'm not your damn bunky!
 
Fact: The report was reviewed. A decision was made to suspend Fitz. He and Gragg met to discuss. After meeting, they shook hands. Fitz wished him a good vacation and Gragg said spend some time with your family and see you in two weeks. At this point, everyone was comfortable that this would rectify the situation and the issue would blow over and not become a big story.
Talk about bs. Your style is to imply that you were actually present at an imaginary meeting between Fitzgerald and Gragg AFTER the report was reviewed, and you claim Gragg suspended Fitzgerald. If Gragg suspended Fitzgerald, why is Shill claiming that he suspended Fitzgerald? The report was submitted Friday, Shill suspended Fitzgerald Friday, or so he claims. Saturday, Shill stated his misgivings at the "lightness" of the punishment for Fitzgerald. Monday, Shill fired Fitzgerald. There has never been any indication that Gragg had any involvement in this process. When did Gragg leave for his vacation?

Fitz's firing was almost as much news to Gragg as it was to us. Gragg's method of addressing the team was directed by his superiors and the legal team. At this point, the University leadership realized that this was a case with potentially enormous consequences. Why do you think the BOT, Dr. Shill, Fitz, Gragg, or players have made statements from the podium or took direct questioning?
Gragg's method of addressing the team leaves a lot to be desired. Regardless of the legal implications that Shill, and Gragg perpetrated, is it not remotely possible for Gragg, when zooming in and out, to say something like, "I know you guys are hurting now. I know all of you were recruited by coach Fitzgerald, and this is not easy for any of us. When I get back to Evanston, we'll get together and I'll try my best to help all of you get through this". Far as I can tell, there is no legal ramification in trying to be a decent human being and show some understanding as far as what the players feelings and emotions were at the time. Nah, just make a quick splash, then dash.

BS. Gragg's statement concerning the t-shirts didn't reference the players in NO way. It was clearly addressing the staff's decision to wear the shirts.
Am I mistaken, or did he not refer to the PLAYERS as tone deaf? And if he was directing his comments towards the staff, why not take it up with them directly, instead of making his ill advised comments to the press?

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You know, there's acronym for that statement. It's WAS - old Marine Corps expression - you'll figure it out. However, you're correct in one respect, the statement is true. Is Gragg the ATHLETIC DIRECTOR, or only the football director? Does he not have a responsibility for all sports, including baseball players? (I resent the implication since I played that sport -too long). Did you know in the minors, for the first three years you're a prospect, after that you're a suspect? Does hiring a completely wrong person for the job NOT reflect on his job performance? He sure didn't hit a home run on that one, (he took a called third) which is good reason to question his ability as far as VETTING, and hiring a football coach.

No I haven't polled anyone. This issue and ramifications are much bigger than our tiny little NU bubble. I can guarantee you that if you polled the country, your sentiments would be so wildly supported. Does Gragg really have relatives on this board???
You may not think it's relevant. But then why is it that so many people on this board, and in the stands, have a negative opinion of Gragg? Are we all misinformed, wrong thinkers? But then you seem to agree that my "sentiments would be wildly supported" - sorry, couldn't stop myself. Also sorry that I may have implied that you were related. Wouldn't wish that on you.

I have confidence that Gragg and his staff will vet several candidates and present them to the power brokers, who will ultimately decide who our next coach will be. This is the REALITY and the way that coaching hires are made in P5 football.
This one is really rich! You lecturing me on the hiring process. Since you have no idea of my family's football background, I really should give you a pass, but your comment was somewhat condescending, so I really have to set you straight. The REALITY is that one of my relatives has spent 40 years in the football coaching business at the highest levels of the NCAA FBS division and the NFL. NCAA stops would include Purdue, Illinois, Missouri, Texas A&M (with Hankwitz), TCU and a few ohers. NFL stops - St Louis, Arizona, San Francisco, Chicago, Carolina, and Washington. I'm pretty well versed on not only the hiring process, but the firing process, and the relocation process. Oh, I forgot to mention my nephew who is a vice president of an NFL franchise. See, one gets hired and fired, and the other one hires and fires. Yeah, I think I know the REALITY, perhaps even better than you. That was kinda like a trap block, dontcha think?

I'm not related to Gragg. I'm confident that when the time comes, Gragg's stuff will be packed without my help and yours.
Already apologized for implying you were, but I thought only an employee, or relative would defend him.

If he does need help packing, or transiting, I'd be delighted to participate.

One last thing, I'm not your damn bunky!
OK, you're not. By the way, I didn't say you were my damn bunky.

By the way, I'm done! You think he's qualified, and an overwhelming majority of the rest of us don't.

And just for NUCat320, nowhere in either of my posts, have I defended Fitzgerald. I'd have no problem if he were fired because of his teams performance, but this entire process was bungled to a fairtheewell by lightweights.
 
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Oh goodness.
1. Never said who made the decision, only that the coach and AD met to discuss.
2. Ummm! Maybe a little more cuddling would have been nice. But don't forget that there were hazers and victims on that zoom. Perhaps a better approach would have been "I will do all I can to protect you, get you the help you need, and kick you out of the program if you're a hazer."
3. A review of Gragg's statement reads that his comments were directed at the coaching staff. Disclaimer: I didn't attend NU.
4. My original question/concern was about why FOOTBALL players disliked Gragg.
5. My statement was to reflect that in the grand scheme we, NU fans, about this aren't supported by the general population. I can imagine the difficulty in losing the native son gatekeeper to those inside.
6. Congratulations to you and your family! My point remains.
7. No apology needed. I'm sure Gragg would appreciate and kindly decline you offer. Considering your feelings about him, I find it quite noble.
8. There was no way out of the trap without losing a leg.
 
Fact: The report was reviewed. A decision was made to suspend Fitz. He and Gragg met to discuss. After meeting, they shook hands. Fitz wished him a good vacation and Gragg said spend some time with your family and see you in two weeks. At this point, everyone was comfortable that this would rectify the situation and the issue would blow over and not become a big story.

Fitz's firing was almost as much news to Gragg as it was to us. Gragg's method of addressing the team was directed by his superiors and the legal team. At this point, the University leadership realized that this was a case with potentially enormous consequences. Why do you think the BOT, Dr. Shill, Fitz, Gragg, or players have made statements from the podium or took direct questioning?

BS. Gragg's statement concerning the t-shirts didn't reference the players in NO way. It was clearly addressing the staff's decision to wear the shirts.

Not related to football and players

No I haven't polled anyone. This issue and ramifications are much bigger than our tiny little NU bubble. I can guarantee you that if you polled the country, your sentiments would be so wildly supported. Does Gragg really have relatives on this board???

I have confidence that Gragg and his staff will vet several candidates and present them to the power brokers, who will ultimately decide who our next coach will be. This is the REALITY and the way that coaching hires are made in P5 football.

I'm not related to Gragg. I'm confident that when the time comes, Gragg's stuff will be packed without my help and yours.

PERHAPS THE PLAYERS SHOULD BE UPSET WITH GRAGG BECAUSE HE HASN'T REMOVED THE HAZERS FROM THE TEAM (For the record, I am not advocating for this).

One last thing, I'm not your damn bunky!

I don’t think you’re making the points you think you are. This “defense” of Gragg is mostly “see the ways he mismanaged everything… it wasn’t his fault and/or he was clueless!”
 
I don’t think you’re making the points you think you are. This “defense” of Gragg is mostly “see the ways he mismanaged everything… it wasn’t his fault and/or he was clueless!”
I'm not trying to make any point. Not trying to defend anyone . I asked a question seeking legitimate answers. I presented information as I believe to be factual. I'm not biased to Fitz, Schill or Gragg. I support NU Football wholeheartedly, until I don't.
 
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