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I'm curious as to why you think Mr. Closson would merit a job as an editor at this point. To my mind, he has thrown his reporters under the bus due to outside pressure. I don't presume to understand how hard it is for him at the moment, but if I were a reporter and he was hired to be my editor, I would not be filled with confidence.

That's not to say that he won't be a great editor or reporter some day, but the evidence to me seems otherwise.
Who said as an editor? Like any other 22-year-old fresh out of college, start at the beginning and work your way up.

I'm a firm believer in hiring for character and capability rather than established skill set. A good manager teaches his or her employees what they need to be successful. I also like working with people who have struggled with something before and found their way through it, for many of the same reasons that have been discussed on this thread.

I don't necessarily think the Daily and its staffers did everything right here, but I think they genuinely tried to examine their own procedures and make a call on what was right. Most college kids think not for one second about the prospective consequences of their actions and their decisions...like the ones here who were upset for being reported on when they took part in a public protest. I'll take up the mantle of someone who struggled with a difficult decision on behalf of his staff and expressed his position eloquently even if it's not the position I would have taken. If I'm in a position to hire an entry-level person, the process from which a potential employee has learned is more important to me than the results achieved. Teach a man to fish/give him a fish, etc.
 

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I see my sons papers and what he is being taught. NU is one of the most liberal schools in the nation and one of the worst for free speech and they definitely have their students write liberal dribble. My gf can't believe how liberal NU is and there is no debate or discussion. She went to a much better University for learning To cut out discussion and debate is horrible.
I wish you would provide specific examples of what he’s written they has been so objectionable. You never do. Just generalities.

It’s been two decades since I was a student — and we’re in a far different world, and I was (perhaps) far less informed then — but I very rarely felt any political leanings in the classroom. For reference, I double majored in journalism and economics.
 
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Who said as an editor? Like any other 22-year-old fresh out of college, start at the beginning and work your way up.

I'm a firm believer in hiring for character and capability rather than established skill set. A good manager teaches his or her employees what they need to be successful. I also like working with people who have struggled with something before and found their way through it, for many of the same reasons that have been discussed on this thread.

I don't necessarily think the Daily and its staffers did everything right here, but I think they genuinely tried to examine their own procedures and make a call on what was right. Most college kids think not for one second about the prospective consequences of their actions and their decisions...like the ones here who were upset for being reported on when they took part in a public protest. I'll take up the mantle of someone who struggled with a difficult decision on behalf of his staff and expressed his position eloquently even if it's not the position I would have taken. If I'm in a position to hire an entry-level person, the process from which a potential employee has learned is more important to me than the results achieved. Teach a man to fish/give him a fish, etc.
That's fair, although I would hope he comes around on his decision after some more reflection, especially in light of the fantastic response from Dean Whitaker. As I said, I don't envy what he has gone through or is continuing to have to deal with, and I wish him the best.
 

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Who said as an editor? Like any other 22-year-old fresh out of college, start at the beginning and work your way up.

I'm a firm believer in hiring for character and capability rather than established skill set. A good manager teaches his or her employees what they need to be successful. I also like working with people who have struggled with something before and found their way through it, for many of the same reasons that have been discussed on this thread.

I don't necessarily think the Daily and its staffers did everything right here, but I think they genuinely tried to examine their own procedures and make a call on what was right. Most college kids think not for one second about the prospective consequences of their actions and their decisions...like the ones here who were upset for being reported on when they took part in a public protest. I'll take up the mantle of someone who struggled with a difficult decision on behalf of his staff and expressed his position eloquently even if it's not the position I would have taken. If I'm in a position to hire an entry-level person, the process from which a potential employee has learned is more important to me than the results achieved. Teach a man to fish/give him a fish, etc.
It's a student paper and for those working on it, a student paper experience.

It is one of the finest work products of its kind in the country/world.

This rough patch is far more beneficial to those currently working than if events were benign or their work was not being questioned. It is the sausage-making of journalism. Embrace the mess and learn.

I've read and followed what Closson has written. What a fine young man. How proud his parents must be of him. He will be a great hire for someone.
 

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All these college kids who claim to be "retraumatized" by getting knocked onto a floor and having their pictures taken after defying police orders at a planned protest need to spend some time with combat vets suffering from PTSD.
 

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All these college kids who claim to be "retraumatized" by getting knocked onto a floor and having their pictures taken after defying police orders at a planned protest need to spend some time with combat vets suffering from PTSD.
The student who was retraumatized by having her picture published was apparently unretraumatized by being interviewed by the NY Times in a story they published today......her 15 minutes of fame I guess.

After the event, Ying Dai, one of the students, saw a photo of herself on his Twitter feed — sprawled painfully on the floor — and addressed him directly.

“Colin please can we stop this trauma porn,” she wrote on Twitter.“I was on the ground being shoved and pushed hard by the police. You don’t have to intervene but you also didn’t have to put a camera in front of me top down.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/13/us/college-campus-journalists-newspapers.html
 
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This is dumb and stupid and bad journalism, whatever that means in a college paper (which do good work in general covering communities that otherwise would lack coverage, and which, in this case, is not affiliated with or monitored by the journalism school). These students made a mistake, and they will learn for it and be better journalists from it. In other words, exactly what’s supposed to happen in school. The only difference here is loaded language, a social media maelstrom, and a lot of people giddy at the chance to show off their jealousy at NU by pointing a finger and laughing when they’re getting the chance.

If this doesn’t blow over in about two days, it says more about the people keeping it going than it does the people who screwed up.
You have to be kidding. I attended a conference ,sponsored and hosted by Medill faculty and illustrious graduates, shortly after the 2016 election. The moderator was laughed off the podium because her questions and positions were so ridiculously biased that it was clear that the meeting was not about true journalistic evaluation of the stunning election results but a lesson in biased liberal reporting. I have no doubt that the student journalists at The Daily are exposed to this type of "education" routinely
 
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You have to be kidding. I attended a conference ,sponsored and hosted by Medill faculty and illustrious graduates, shortly after the 2016 election. The moderator was laughed off the podium because her questions and positions were so ridiculously biased that it was clear that the meeting was not about true journalistic evaluation of the stunning election results but a lesson in biased liberal reporting. I have no doubt that the student journalists at The Daily are exposed to this type of "education" routinely
This was my hot take on the episode. I figured faculty influence weighed pretty heavily on the editorial, and it certainly jibes with my own narratIve on higher education today.

I have a degree of empathy for the student editors, whom I think were effectively bullied by their peers. It’s an understandable mistake, and I think those kids will grow from it.

but it stinks that the protesters got their way without any real consequences. Their behavior during the protest was generally fine, though it appears they “forced” their way past a police presence (the police likely declined the opportunity to engage in any physical response).

The issue is accountability and consequences for choices and actions. If you choose to protest—an act which by definition is an expression of conflicting or opposing views—then you should expect discomfort. Not physical discomfort, but intellectual and even emotional discomfort.

and if you don’t like being outed or being viewed in an unflattering situation on social media, then you need to make better choices.
 
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You have to be kidding. I attended a conference ,sponsored and hosted by Medill faculty and illustrious graduates, shortly after the 2016 election. The moderator was laughed off the podium because her questions and positions were so ridiculously biased that it was clear that the meeting was not about true journalistic evaluation of the stunning election results but a lesson in biased liberal reporting. I have no doubt that the student journalists at The Daily are exposed to this type of "education" routinely
OK, Doc. You do you. Feel free to name the people involved in this conference if you want to discuss them, preferably in a different thread. We've already established the Daily is not run by Medill professors or by the school itself. Nothing you wrote here is material to this episode.

I'd point you to the other poster on this thread who saw what you saw, reacted the way you reacted, learned new facts that changed his opinion, and has adjusted his criticism to parties in the story who are more deserving of it. But I'm sure you'll come back, hackles raised, to me anyway.
 

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All these college kids who claim to be "retraumatized" by getting knocked onto a floor and having their pictures taken after defying police orders at a planned protest need to spend some time with combat vets suffering from PTSD.
Many people on this thread seem traumatized by this event
 

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OK, Doc. You do you. Feel free to name the people involved in this conference if you want to discuss them, preferably in a different thread. We've already established the Daily is not run by Medill professors or by the school itself. Nothing you wrote here is material to this episode.

I'd point you to the other poster on this thread who saw what you saw, reacted the way you reacted, learned new facts that changed his opinion, and has adjusted his criticism to parties in the story who are more deserving of it. But I'm sure you'll come back, hackles raised, to me anyway.
Are you stating that none of the student journalists and editorial staff of The Daily Northwestern are journalist majors and have no contact with Medill professors ? I did not state that Medill ran the newspaper only that the students involved were probably influenced by their Medill experience. Your rejection of my criticism of the event actually has no merit with regards to what I posted

The conference I attended was at The National Press Club, sponsored by Medill 2 days after the election. The moderator was Ava Thompson Greenwell . Panelists included Lynn Sweet (USA Today) Kelly O'Donnell, Susan Page , James Rosen, Peter Alexander and possibly others that escape my memory

I believe my post was certainly relevant to the event , if the students are attending Medill. Their journalistic practices have to be a reflection of their educational experience.
 
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Are you stating that none of the student journalists and editorial staff of The Daily Northwestern are journalist majors and have no contact with Medill professors ? I did not state that Medill ran the newspaper only that the students involved were probably influenced by their Medill experience. Your rejection of my criticism of the event actually has no merit with regards to what I posted

The conference I attended was at The National Press Club, sponsored by Medill 2 days after the election. The moderator was Ava Thompson Greenwell . Panelists included Lynn Sweet (USA Today) Kelly O'Donnell, Susan Page , James Rosen, Peter Alexander and possibly others that escape my memory

I believe my post was certainly relevant to the event , if the students are attending Medill. Their journalistic practices have to be a reflection of their educational experience.
Of course not. I'm stating that it's ridiculous to say that college professors have such influence on all of their students as to control their own minds forever. Your post implies that journalism students had no such beliefs prior to attending college, attended college and were influenced by professors who inculcated them with those beliefs, and that those students have never altered or challenged those beliefs and merely spout them whenever given the chance. Otherwise, your argument boils down to you merely providing your personal POV, which you are of course welcome to do.

Read the two official statements NU published in response to this incident, one by the president of the university and one by the dean of the journalism school, and tell us all again that NU has each and every one of its journalism students wrapped around its finger, subjects in its own conservative-hating, truth-avoiding Treadstone experiment.
 
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