The Ohio State Scandal - Urban Liars Tweet
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Finebaum said he thought that Meyer was safe because:
1. the OSU fanbase did not care about the truth if it might cost them wins
2. the Maryland scandal dropped it to back page status at the right time.
I think he is right.
Just lol at this post. If I orrdered sex tpys to be delivered to me at work,or had sex witb a coworker at my place of employment and recorded it, I would be fired on the spot. Not only was Smith not fired, he did a whole host of other things that should have gotten him canned or even a stint in jail and STILL would be at OSU were it not for McMurphy's reporting.
Thanks for the post though, I needed a good laugh today
That’s what I keep thinking as well. Any one of these circumstances might be enough to get a head coach canned and there’s a pretty distinctly questionable pattern forming with Smith. Meyer apologists try to say the latest episode doesn’t have anything to do with him, but whose responsibility would it be except the head coach to know that one of his longtime assistant coaches was banging a staff member IN THE FOOTBALL OFFICES?
Well, if the POTUS wasn't canned for getting BJs in the OVAL OFFICE then why should some low level assistant football coach?
I agree that If you ordered sex toys at work, or had sex with a co-worker at your place of employment, the. You would be fired immediately. Same goes for Zak Smith. The problem is, I don’t think Zak Smith put it on Facebook or Instagram. I don’t think he sent out a group text or an e-mail to the coaching staff.I would bet that he didn’t tell his boss. If you did such acts at work, would you tell your boss?
So yes, if his boss, in this case Meyer knew about it, he should fire him and if he didn’t , then Meyer should be fired, The question remains, is whether Meyer knew about it?
The latest reporting is a sideshow because it doesn’t have anything to do with the current question as to whether Meyer handled the reporting of his knowledge of the accusations of spousal abuse in 2015.
If the new info regarding Zak Smith’s ordering sex toys and taking pornographic pictures of himself is true, that further paints Smith as a despicable person in his private life, but that alone doesn’t make Meyer guilty. If anything, it makes it more likely that Smith lied to Meyer. Again, if it comes out that Meyer knew about the latest, that changes.
I think the one thing that could keep a head coach and others from knowing whether someone had sex in their office, is a door.
I disagree a bit. I do think if there is no evidence that Meyer did wrong outside of that in retrospect he never should have brought Smith to Columbus, then the OSU fans would welcome Meyer back because of his success as a football coach.
On the contrary, I think if he’s fired, regardless of whether it’s due to evidence or just because the University wants to move on, there won’t be a big uproar by the vast majority. Disappointment and some discontent yes. A huge uproar, no.
Nothing that would stop fans from attending games, buying OSU gear, or alumni from donating, so I don’t think the fans play into the decision at all. (From a football standpoint, losing Meyer this year wouldn’t be the worse thing and in the long run may be the best thing). So I don’t believe fan response really impacts the decision at all.
The Maryland situation may help diminish coverage of Meyer, or it may end up creating more of a scope on the actions and responsibility of a college head coach. I could see that part and how it affects OSU’s decision go either way.
I know It looks like I’m defending Meyer in my responses, but just trying to give a different perspective. I’ll say one thing that could take down Meyer, which ironically, got me banned from the PSU BWI board when I said this about Paterno.
“Sometimes it isn’t the fault of the head guy, but sometimes they just have to take the fall- even if they weren’t responsible.”
“Sometimes it isn’t the fault of the head guy, but sometimes they just have to take the fall- even if they weren’t responsible.”
We have lots of doors in my old office which held about 40 people. When two people started having an affair, everyone knew it in two days.
Precisely, and if I ordered 2 freakin' grand of sex toys at work, believe me, someone at work would find out about it. And someone here most certainly did; probably the same person that leaked the info to the reporter.
Child rape is a terrible crime that must be punished swiftly and severely, as the Roman Catholic Church has shown us.
Are you exaggerating Glidecat? I don’t doubt that in a gossipy office that an affair could be discovered and everyone would know about it iin two days, or if one of the couple having the affair was telling everyone, then 40people could know about it in 48 hours. It is not impossible to keep an affair a secret, or at least a secret for a long time, otherwise no one would ever have a long lasting affair.
I’m sure that if it was an ongoing affair the odds would certainly increase as to the likelihood of it being discovered. If it was a one night stand it would be less likely.
As far as Meyer is concerned, I don’t know if it is illegal to order personal items to your office as long as it isn’t offensive and shown to others. While it would be Meyer’s responsibility if someone was sexually abusing another in school property, I’m not sure what the rules would be to have sex behind closed doors with a consenting adult. Not smart, and possibly could lead to termination, but not sure if the manager or in this case head coach would be responsible if he didn’t know about it or advocate it.
Sure, if you worked in a cubicle, or in a small office where delivery people weren’t walking in and out all day long, or if you felt the need to show someone else. People steal, order things in, have sex, do all sorts of stuff at work they shouldn’t be doing- unfortunately. They either get away with it, or do for a long period. You don’t know what you don’t know.
My wife worked in the office of a Fortune 100 company years ago and a guy was called into the managers office. They had HR there and asked him if he knew why they called him in and he said, “Is it because of the furniture and equipment I’ve been stealing?” They called him in becasue he was on internet sites that he shouldn’t have been in on during work hours. They had no idea he was stealing furniture and equipment. Obviously he was stupid, but he got away with it becasue no one was looking for a worker who was stealing furniture and equipment.
It’s guys like Smith that keep Mrs. Jack easily employed at a good salary. Some people just cannot help themselves. It’s amazing to me. Keep it up people! Little Hungry has at least 14 more years of schooling left!
She must have worked at Van DeLay Industries with George Costanza......
Honest question... have you ever spent meaningful time in a football office? These guys spend upwards of 80 hours per week around one another between practices, game planning, travel, etc. There are VERY few secrets.
No. Not kidding. I have been working in office environments a long time. Ranging from very close knit and long hours to the more 8-5 route. I have been the boss of many. Many times - especially in the long hours jobs - affairs have occurred. I always knew. I frequently chose to ignore it if I was just too tired for a confrontation or if I just wanted to put off dealing with it. But I always knew.
I only stepped in when one or both members of the affair were married. Not solely because of my personal beliefs on the issue but because the potential negatives of looking the other way on something that could end up in divorce court were higher than the annoyance of an embarrassing confrontation.
I can understand why a manager would choose not to deal with an affair on his staff. But it would be a very incompetent manager that would have no idea it was going on.
I have been an employment defense attorney for 15 years, and have worked in-house at large international companies for the last 8. The above is accurate.
Especially if the, um, transgressions were happening in the frigging offices.
Not really arguing one way or the other, but it is technically impossible to “actually know” that you knew every time it happened.
I thought about that logic glitch as I wrote it. However, I am comfortable that the statement is true.
Not beyond high school level, but I have like others been in situations that have had co-workers in close in proximity and time spent. You do tend to know a lot about others, including at times when someone commits infidelity. Sometimes others knew, other times not everyone knew, and if no one knew, one really can’t say, unless they were the person committing the act.
Obviously if it was an ongoing event then the likelihood of being discovered increases. If it’s a one or two time occursnce, less likely. Sometimes some co-workers know, but the boss is kept out of the discussion.
Meyer may have known about Smith’s office relations. He may have taken part, he may have known and ignored, or he may have no idea, but we have no way of knowing based on the public facts. As always, there are variables something in the world of social media debate is ignored in favor of absolutes.
The other questions are is what are the University regulations regarding consensual sex between Co-workers? Was it encouraged? Is it a fireable offense, and more specific to Meyer, is it a fireable offense if he didn’t fire the person?
We should know more today or tomorrow. No idea of how it will go down and my reaction will depend on what information gets released.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that it's a bit unlikely the University encouraged co-workers to bone each other
But we don't know based on the precise facts provided.I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that it's a bit unlikely the University encouraged co-workers to bone each other
It is also possible that Urban Meyer has never actually used the restroom number 2. We do not have any information provided by Meyer or the University to attest to that fact. Using logic to extrapolate that he probably has is not allowed. We must wait for a press release on the subject. Or wait for the boom from Columbus when his GI track finally gives up and explodes.
I'd agree if it were any other University but dOSU......I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that it's a bit unlikely the University encouraged co-workers to bone each other
Explains why he's so full ofBut we don't know based on the precise facts provided.
It is also possible that Urban Meyer has never actually used the restroom number 2. We do not have any information provided by Meyer or the University to attest to that fact. Using logic to extrapolate that he probably has is not allowed. We must wait for a press release on the subject. Or wait for the boom from Columbus when his GI track finally gives up and explodes.
Looks like Board of Trustees want to immediately reinstate Urban. OSU President Drake wants to suspend him. Urban refuses to accept a suspension. Drake getting hammered by OSU fans on social media. Calling for Drake’s head in defense of Urban. One thing is clear, he survives.
This is so true. One of the major reasons the Ped State transgressions were so horrific. Plenty of members of that staff knew what was going on and turned a blind eye. Sickening.
Better than the apology that Jeff Snook said Urban was owed! Snook will now go down in history as one of the most delusional beat writers ever....
