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Whoa...if that's true then he gone. Best of luck to him, no shame in losing recruits to the likes of Kansas, Duke, and Kentucky. If CC continues on his trajectory we might be able to keep one of these local kids from going to a blue blood program, i.e we need the next Chris Collins to take a chance on us instead of Duke
 
So is Kansas's offer something he can commit to and not have it go away if someone higher ranked comes along, or is Kansas done recruiting if he accepts? Maybe I am just Harbaughshy but how many other offers does Kansas have out there?
 
Everyone step back from the ledge and let it play out. Who knows what he's thinking, but you have to think we're in the conversation. He's local knows the staff really well and it's the best school on his offer list to set him up for the rest of his life. You only play hoops so long and some kids realize that, plus he will win a heck of a lot of game here in an amazing new stadium.
 
Everyone step back from the ledge and let it play out. Who knows what he's thinking, but you have to think we're in the conversation. He's local knows the staff really well and it's the best school on his offer list to set him up for the rest of his life. You only play hoops so long and some kids realize that, plus he will win a heck of a lot of game here in an amazing new stadium.
This and you never know, Collins is courting more than one trying to convince them that together they can be truly great. All the dominos could still fall NU's way. Is there any program more on the rise than NU right now? I don't think so.
 
Nance was just named MVP of a nike summer tournament.

I think for any of the three or four still active NU recruits it's a tough decision to eliminate the purple. Not saying he picks NU, but it's pretty clear the Cats will be very competitive in the Big Ten the next three to five years.
 
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Nance was just named MVP of a nike summer tournament.

I think for any of the three or four still active NU recruits it's a tough decision to eliminate the purple. Not saying he picks NU, but it's pretty clear the Cats will be very competitive in the Big Ten the next three to five years.

Of course I don't know what it is like, but why wouldn't you want to join a class that is already strong unless unless you position was already taken? How long ago did the FAB 5 play at UM and we still know about them like a legend. We made one kind of history getting to the tournament, this class could write a whole new chapter.
 
So 30 offers for 3 spots at Kansas. Is the that the first 3 that accept or you accept, they keep recruiting? Maybe you accept and kansas's admissions department turns you down....
 
So 30 offers for 3 spots at Kansas. Is the that the first 3 that accept or you accept, they keep recruiting? Maybe you accept and kansas's admissions department turns you down....
Kansas has an admissions department? Their 2016 acceptance rate was 92.9%......wonder what those poor 7.1% of applicants did wrong!;)
 
Of course I don't know what it is like, but why wouldn't you want to join a class that is already strong unless unless you position was already taken? How long ago did the FAB 5 play at UM and we still know about them like a legend. We made one kind of history getting to the tournament, this class could write a whole new chapter.

Playing time could be a factor. Fab 5 knew they were coming in to start at UM. At NU, a 2018 Wing may have to play behind the current set of Law, Turner, and Gaines, assuming Falzon, Rap, and Nance are more 4s than Wings. Again, I consider Wings to be the 2 and 3 spots. If 2-4 spots are all interchangeable wings, the situation is even more crowded.

Strange problem to have for NU... not enough playing time available for a Top 100 recruit with an offer from Kansas. Wow!
 
Playing time could be a factor. Fab 5 knew they were coming in to start at UM. At NU, a 2018 Wing may have to play behind the current set of Law, Turner, and Gaines, assuming Falzon, Rap, and Nance are more 4s than Wings. Again, I consider Wings to be the 2 and 3 spots. If 2-4 spots are all interchangeable wings, the situation is even more crowded.

Strange problem to have for NU... not enough playing time available for a Top 100 recruit with an offer from Kansas. Wow!

1 - NU often plays with 3 wings.
2 - I think it's pretty presumptuous to think that an incoming 2018 wing would play behind Gaines who has yet to play a college game - and at 6-4 185 Gaines is a different kind of wing compared to THT.
3 - Law will graduate this year - so if he has a very good year it's quite possible he'll depart with his class (BMac, Scottie) and go pro (whether NBA or Euro).

So, in sum, I think there's a very, very good chance that THT would come in and start or be the 6th man right away. Same with Lathon and Nance. We all expect them to be in the rotation immediately.

If THT goes to Kansas, would he get time there? Who knows, they get a fair share of one-and-dones like Josh Jackson, so it's very hard to project.

At MSU for that matter - Alvin Ellis was one of the top recruits in Chicago, averaged 20/6/4 at De La Salle, went there and never broke into the rotation. Hard to say why.

But Collins has been on to THT since 2016 and really values him - I'm confident he would be a cornerstone at NU, right from his Freshman year.
 
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Is Kansas that much of a different animal than MSU - in my mind they are both top-tier, blue blood basketball schools.
 
Playing time could be a factor. Fab 5 knew they were coming in to start at UM. At NU, a 2018 Wing may have to play behind the current set of Law, Turner, and Gaines, assuming Falzon, Rap, and Nance are more 4s than Wings. Again, I consider Wings to be the 2 and 3 spots. If 2-4 spots are all interchangeable wings, the situation is even more crowded.

Strange problem to have for NU... not enough playing time available for a Top 100 recruit with an offer from Kansas. Wow!

Most average to above-average programs will have the same situation. Even Lathon, who is likely to start, will have to beat Brown and Ash for the spot. So while guaranteed playing time is probably gone, I think there are plenty of basketball things that only we can offer: a brand-new arena, proximity to Chicago, and a player development staff that has shown major results already. I think he probably goes elsewhere, but there's no reason to rule us out until he does.
 
They are close, but Kansas is a tick better. For example, Kansas has 22 sSweet 16 appearances, while MSU has 17. KU has 14 Final 4s and MSU has 9. I'm sure Kansas has more NBA players etc.
 
Most average to above-average programs will have the same situation. Even Lathon, who is likely to start, will have to beat Brown and Ash for the spot. So while guaranteed playing time is probably gone, I think there are plenty of basketball things that only we can offer: a brand-new arena, proximity to Chicago, and a player development staff that has shown major results already. I think he probably goes elsewhere, but there's no reason to rule us out until he does.

I would bet that Brown starts for two years. Collins really likes Brown and one of the reasons Cormac Ryan committed to Stanford over NU was that he did not expect to start until his Jr. year at NU given the existing roster.
 
Playing time could be a factor. Fab 5 knew they were coming in to start at UM. At NU, a 2018 Wing may have to play behind the current set of Law, Turner, and Gaines, assuming Falzon, Rap, and Nance are more 4s than Wings. Again, I consider Wings to be the 2 and 3 spots. If 2-4 spots are all interchangeable wings, the situation is even more crowded.

Strange problem to have for NU... not enough playing time available for a Top 100 recruit with an offer from Kansas. Wow!
After seeing the condensed non conference schedule, plus Rap and Falzon, could see playing time shared more than last year, effectively turning non con into an extended tryout. I don't count minutes but doesn't more quality depth equate to more minutes for more players?
 
After seeing the condensed non conference schedule, plus Rap and Falzon, could see playing time shared more than last year, effectively turning non con into an extended tryout. I don't count minutes but doesn't more quality depth equate to more minutes for more players?

You would hope that they can lesson the minute load on the Law, Lindsey and BMac. Even only a few minutes a game it can make a big difference. When Lindsey was hurt Law played a ton and would rest in game by taking offensive possessions off - just camping in the corner.
 
I would bet that Brown starts for two years. Collins really likes Brown and one of the reasons Cormac Ryan committed to Stanford over NU was that he did not expect to start until his Jr. year at NU given the existing roster.
It would really surprise me if Brown started for 2 years. Unlike B-Mac, he is not both a scorer and a distributor. In my opinion, ultimately, he will back-up Lathon when B-Mac exits.
 
It would really surprise me if Brown started for 2 years. Unlike B-Mac, he is not both a scorer and a distributor. In my opinion, ultimately, he will back-up Lathon when B-Mac exits.

I'd argue that he *was not* both a scorer and distributor in his true freshman season, coming out of a H.S. role where he needed to be a scorer to carry his team. To assume he can't develop in two years at NU strikes me as pretty pessimistic about both Brown and our coaching staff. I believe he was recruited to play the Lead Guard and the staff will continue working to mold him into this role.
 
I'd argue that he *was not* both a scorer and distributor in his true freshman season, coming out of a H.S. role where he needed to be a scorer to carry his team. To assume he can't develop in two years at NU strikes me as pretty pessimistic about both Brown and our coaching staff. I believe he was recruited to play the Lead Guard and the staff will continue working to mold him into this role.
Time will tell!
 
I would bet that Brown starts for two years. Collins really likes Brown and one of the reasons Cormac Ryan committed to Stanford over NU was that he did not expect to start until his Jr. year at NU given the existing roster.

this is quite false, especially given that brown is a "2" and not a ball handler at NU and cormac was recruited the sam eway lathon was - to be the next lead guard
 
also given the funky layout this year with the team in a random temporary practice gym and all game being "away" games - i think this is an appropiate schedule
 
I'd argue that he *was not* both a scorer and distributor in his true freshman season, coming out of a H.S. role where he needed to be a scorer to carry his team. To assume he can't develop in two years at NU strikes me as pretty pessimistic about both Brown and our coaching staff. I believe he was recruited to play the Lead Guard and the staff will continue working to mold him into this role.

Brown wouldn't be the first recruit who could do whatever he wanted in high school who came to the next level and found he needed to adjust his game. I expect - and more importantly, Coach Collins expects - that he's going to adjust just fine. I still think he's going to be a good one for the Cats.
 
this is quite false, especially given that brown is a "2" and not a ball handler at NU and cormac was recruited the sam eway lathon was - to be the next lead guard

It would help this year's team greatly if Isiah improves at starting the offense and creating shots for others. (I think he will.) Mac and Scottie will take most of the team's playmaking when they graduate, and we're going to probably need Brown as a starter in some capacity to make up for that. So if he improves his PG skills enough, playing him with Law, Pardon and two of the bigger wings would be a really interesting and tough to defend lineup.
 
Isiah Brown has all the tools. He showed last year he can distribute the ball when he wants to. He's got to be better at making the second-to-last, and third-to-last passes that result in a conversion.

It's an issue that when he's on the floor he's often the best scoring option. That results in his going into self isolation. When the ball moves around as Collins envisions an open look is usually there in the last five to seven seconds.

He's in the church but he hasn't exactly gotten religious.
 
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Isiah Brown has all the tools. He showed last year he can distribute the ball when he wants to. He's got to be better at making the second-to-last, and third-to-last passes that result in a conversion.

It's an issue that when he's on the floor he's often the best scoring option. That results in his going into self isolation. When the ball moves around as Collins envisions an open look is usually there in the last five to seven seconds.

He's in the church but he hasn't exactly gotten religious.

Keep the political talk on the Rant Board-strictly separation of church and statement here
 
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