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Willy, this post is not for you.

Verbal Commits is showing Vasser transferring as new news and sources a reporter.

Is this a year old and mislabeled?

Does this happen automatically?

Any details?

Guards look to be a dime a dozen and for an academically inclined student athlete to move on to a lesser school would not seem likely. But maybe one of the Ivies.
 
Medill90 said:
Willy, this post is not for you.

Verbal Commits is showing Vasser transferring as new news and sources a reporter.

Is this a year old and mislabeled?

Does this happen automatically?

Any details?

Guards look to be a dime a dozen and for an academically inclined student athlete to move on to a lesser school would not seem likely. But maybe one of the Ivies.
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Even though I wasn't supposed to read your unconfirmed post, I ignored your attempt at censoring and secretly did. Maybe he's headed to Champaign, as they are running out of bodies not behind bars.
 
Medill90 said:
Willy, this post is not for you.

Verbal Commits is showing Vasser transferring as new news and sources a reporter.

Is this a year old and mislabeled?

Does this happen automatically?

Any details?

Guards look to be a dime a dozen and for an academically inclined student athlete to move on to a lesser school would not seem likely. But maybe one of the Ivies.
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This is old news, originally reported by that guy 1 year ago. Check the date on the twitter feed.
 
But it's also on ESPN site as well so maybe something is brewinh
 
Fitzphile said:
This is old news, originally reported by that guy 1 year ago. Check the date on the twitter feed.
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I would highly suggest you check the date on it which was 3-14-16, which if it was a year ago time sure does fly. Jon Rothstein of CBS Sports has it on his twitter. Now all we need to have is Doc show up saying how Chris Collins wrong the poor kid. Not a bad deal, two years of NU education for 30 minutes of playing time in one year. Poor Johnny!
 
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Jeffrey Cat said:
I would highly suggest you check the date on it which was 3-14-16, which if it was a year ago time sure does fly. Jon Rothstein of CBS Sports has it on his twitter. Now all we need to have is Doc show up saying how Chris Collins wrong the poor kid. Not a bad deal, two years of NU education for 30 minutes of playing time in one year. Poor Johnny!
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Click on the John Rothstein link and you will see the twitter feed.



Our own Louise Vaccher retweeted:



Sheesh!!!!!
 
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Fitzphile said:
Click on the John Rothstein link and you will see the twitter feed.



Our own Louise Vaccher retweeted:



Sheesh!!!!!
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Where to? Now doc and his crowd will have another school to cheer for besides Holy Cross. BTW, how did their suffocating D do the other night? No congratulatory posts from the usual subjects. Wonder why?
 
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willycat said:
Where to? Now doc and his crowd will have another school to cheer for besides Holy Cross. BTW, how did their suffocating D do the other night? No congratulatory posts from the usual subjects. Wonder why?
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This post is a little confusing in Verbal comits. It shows a date of now and Rothstein's twitter is from last year. Well all I can say is, who knows
 
Jeffrey Cat said:
This post is a little confusing in Verbal comits. It shows a date of now and Rothstein's twitter is from last year. Well all I can say is, who knows
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What we can say is, Vassar announced last year he wanted to transfer but is still a student at NU. The VerbalCommits site screws up sometimes.
 
willycat said:
Where to? Now doc and his crowd will have another school to cheer for besides Holy Cross. BTW, how did their suffocating D do the other night? No congratulatory posts from the usual subjects. Wonder why?
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The Cross gave up a LOT more points this postseason than NU did.
 
This might be the first time in his life that Vasser has been at the same school two years in a row.
 
Stay classy, folks. No need disparage a kid like Vasser on a public forum without getting all the facts right.
 
Ok I may have missed it, if so I apologize, but wouldn't it be a simple thing for a reporter to ask Vassar and Collins what's going on?
 
DaCat said:
Stay classy, folks. No need disparage a kid like Vasser on a public forum without getting all the facts right.
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Same folks who were fawning all over him based on prep video footage. This procedure is being repeated right now and will be repeated again.
 
cometclear said:
Same folks who were fawning all over him based on prep video footage. This procedure is being repeated right now and will be repeated again.
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I think there was *one* person fawning over Vassar. That clearly bothered you, though...
 
Fitzphile said:
What we can say is, Vassar announced last year he wanted to transfer but is still a student at NU. The VerbalCommits site screws up sometimes.
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Since he has chosen not to play for a year and has not transferred, can we at least convert his scholarship so we can free up the spot?
 
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Well, we have not arrived into the Fall of 2017, but seems that I opined this may be the case. I think some argued that there was no chance. Lucky all these threads are saved for posterity now...
 
Put me in the club that was impressed with Johnny Vassar's highlights. I was looking forward to him developing into an exciting backup for McIntosh. No need to trash the kid, although I also hope he figures out what he wants to do so that we can free up a scholarship.
 
VirginiaWildcat said:
And lost 20 games
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Give it up. Really. Inst
hdhntr1 said:
Since he has chosen not to play for a year and has not transferred, can we at least convert his scholarship so we can free up the spot?
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No, I have heard that he was guaranteed four years on scholarship. Coach Collins doesn't want him on the team. Collins gambled that Vassar would just leave, but Vassar has not obliged.
 
YesterdaysCat said:
Give it up. Really. Inst


No, I have heard that he was guaranteed four years on scholarship. Coach Collins doesn't want him on the team. Collins gambled that Vassar would just leave, but Vassar has not obliged.
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Not quite what I was asking. Since he is no longer with the team can it be changed to a different kind of scholarship? They do it with kids with medical issues. Maybe they get it classified as mental. Kid still gets a scholarship and the education, just a different kind and it doesn't count against the 13. I mean you don't exactly want him at the training table or tying up tutoring resources. Isn't that sort of what happened with Turner?
 
YesterdaysCat said:
Give it up. Really. Inst


No, I have heard that he was guaranteed four years on scholarship. Coach Collins doesn't want him on the team. Collins gambled that Vassar would just leave, but Vassar has not obliged.
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That's true but he is on a basketball schlorship, don't think he's injured or sick and not playing. Hope he finally realizes that he is hurting his former teammates and the program as a whole and chooses to leave or put in for other aid. Wonder if this has ever happened at NU or any other program for that matter and how it was handled.
 
YesterdaysCat said:
Give it up. Really. Inst


No, I have heard that he was guaranteed four years on scholarship. Coach Collins doesn't want him on the team. Collins gambled that Vassar would just leave, but Vassar has not obliged.
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I have to say this situation is weird. Whatever his deficiencies and development areas may be, Vassar has Div1 skills. If not at NU, then certainly a mid-major. Even watching him in limited action, or in scrimmages, and practices (the play where Sanjay dunks the ball with authority actually I was impressed with Vassar coming from far side to help and skying high to almost block him). Can anyone say that he doesn't have skills way beyond some of the players that have spent 4-5 years at NU over the years?

I realize that Collins may not see much of a fit for Vassar, but if Vassar isn't actually transferring to get PT somewhere else, it certainly seems like Collins ran him off. And it doesn't help NU - would rather that they have come to a mutual understanding, and that Collins uses his network or whatever to help place him. Vassar staying at NU ties up a scholarship, and if he cannot go elsewhere, then at least have him rejoin the team and serve as a practice body. Who knows, maybe he might even develop into someone of value to the team - I certainly saw sufficient raw athleticism to warrant something more than letting him tie up a scholarship and not playing on the team.

Don't get me wrong - I'm a CC fan still, but this whole situation just seems very weird to me and sub-optimal.
 
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Gladeskat said:
Yeah, it's called being a fan of a program and having some optimism for its players.
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No, it's called being a "homer" - rejecting any skepticism or criticism. I'm trying to think of single instance, in all the years of lurking here, in which I've seen any objectivity when it comes to player evaluations of recruits. I can't come up with one. Not to any significant degree. Each recruit is a good signing. The track record suggests otherwise. Giving an honest assessment does not render you a non-fan.

The homers are more sensitive about this than the kids. They understand this is a business. They attend the summer meat markets, they see the ranking services that evaluate them like horses.

Guys, guys...when you have some recruits with no other Big Ten offers, sometimes no other major conference offers either, or maybe one or two offers from major conference bottom-feeders, chances are you are not getting a Big Ten-level player. Of course you will find some undiscovered gems, but that is not a regular occurrence.
 
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That's horsecrap. At least the part about never witnessing anythign but homerism on these boards. There have been plenty of instances where people have been less than glowing on recruits. Certainly so on the football board. And here on the hoops board. In your lurking, you must have missed all the bitching about Carmody and his obvious inability to recruit (still denied by some Carmody huggers). I tend not to say anything about kids who don't excite me as much rather than rip into them, but I remember when we signed Turner, I was like WTF as were a number of others. You don't want to rip on a kid though if you can avoid it though, just out of basic human decency. As people have bitched about on the football board, I have never had a problem downplaying our recruiting at a broader level (not focusing on individual kids). I call it like it is. Whether I'm right or wrong is another story.

I agree with you on your last paragraph though. Emphatically. And some people will hound you for it, going so far as to faceitously say that somehow our coaching staff possesses a unique skill to pick out diamonds in the rough and evaluate kids better than any other program or they'd rather have kids who are a better "fit" for our program and were no stars than 5 star prima donnas.

Enter Gladeskat stage right
 
EvanstonCat said:
That's horsecrap. At least the part about never witnessing anythign but homerism on these boards. There have been plenty of instances where people have been less than glowing on recruits. Certainly so on the football board. And here on the hoops board. In your lurking, you must have missed all the bitching about Carmody and his obvious inability to recruit (still denied by some Carmody huggers). I tend not to say anything about kids who don't excite me as much rather than rip into them, but I remember when we signed Turner, I was like WTF as were a number of others. You don't want to rip on a kid though if you can avoid it though, just out of basic human decency. As people have bitched about on the football board, I have never had a problem downplaying our recruiting at a broader level (not focusing on individual kids). I call it like it is. Whether I'm right or wrong is another story.

I agree with you on your last paragraph though. Emphatically. And some people will hound you for it, going so far as to faceitously say that somehow our coaching staff possesses a unique skill to pick out diamonds in the rough and evaluate kids better than any other program or they'd rather have kids who are a better "fit" for our program and were no stars than 5 star prima donnas.

Enter Gladeskat stage right
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I clearly indicated I was writing about skepticism before recruits suit up. There is no question that after some of these players demonstrate they are not Big Ten-caliber, some begin being critical. Again, I think the kids are far less sensitive than the homers about giving honest assessments.

I think Chris Collins is doing an excellent job. The bottom line, though, is that he will need to start getting players that the better teams in major conferences want if NU is going to make the jump to an NCAA Tournament team. There is still a long way to go in that department. More like Vic Law.
 
cometclear said:
I clearly indicated I was writing about skepticism before recruits suit up. There is no question that after some of these players demonstrate they are not Big Ten-caliber, some begin being critical. Again, I think the kids are far less sensitive than the homers about giving honest assessments.

I think Chris Collins is doing an excellent job. The bottom line, though, is that he will need to start getting players that the better teams in major conferences want if NU is going to make the jump to an NCAA Tournament team. There is still a long way to go in that department. More like Vic Law.
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I was talking about before campus as well. When we offered Turner, a number of people were definitely wondering WTF was going on. In football, a recruit's dad got into a back and forth with a guy because that guy didn't speak entirely glowingly about his son (who still has not hit campus yet). There are definitely evaluations of recruits there that talk about the work they need to do and that are a bit more objective. Even on kids whom we offered and haven't even committed. Naturally, though, people rarely are too scathing, because what's the point? Just because you avoid overly ripping a kid doesn't mean you're a homer.

Agree that we need better recruits to break through. Though I will point out that most of his recruits are already falling into that category. To wit - Iowa this year had just one top 100 player on the floor in this year's 2nd round. We will have 4 on the roster next year which has never happened before (though two of them will be freshmen). Not including the likes of Bryant McIntosh who could play for anyone in the B1G. I don't know that we are a long way to go still - we're getting there and are a lot closer than we were before CCC came in that department.

I also am hopeful that next year is the year. Then again, I was hopeful for that outcome this year. Who knows what could have been if Law hadn't been hurt all year.
 
cometclear said:
No, it's called being a "homer" - rejecting any skepticism or criticism. I'm trying to think of single instance, in all the years of lurking here, in which I've seen any objectivity when it comes to player evaluations of recruits. I can't come up with one. Not to any significant degree. Each recruit is a good signing. The track record suggests otherwise. Giving an honest assessment does not render you a non-fan.

The homers are more sensitive about this than the kids. They understand this is a business. They attend the summer meat markets, they see the ranking services that evaluate them like horses.

Guys, guys...when you have some recruits with no other Big Ten offers, sometimes no other major conference offers either, or maybe one or two offers from major conference bottom-feeders, chances are you are not getting a Big Ten-level player. Of course you will find some undiscovered gems, but that is not a regular occurrence.
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Then I'm a homer! A proud homer!

Did you ever attend any of those summer meat markets yourself? Ever have anybody literally squeeze and poke your flesh? Were you ever a horse anybody gave a damn about? When I was eating my oats, I liked having fans that were positive about the potential I brought to the stable. I liked being brushed and stroked. I dreamed of being Giacomo.

I'm sorry you're just a bitter old swayback mule nobody gives a damn about. You'd be more liked if you were glue.
 
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EvanstonCat said:
I have to say this situation is weird.

Don't get me wrong - I'm a CC fan still, but this whole situation just seems very weird to me and sub-optimal.
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What I find weird is, if Vassar still wants to play Div I basketball, he has now lost a year of eligibility. You have 5 years to play 4 seasons of ball, and if he transfers now, he will need to sit out a season, which means at best he has 2 seasons of playing time left. At this point maybe he is just hunkering down to get his NU degree and move on with his life. I bet he is on one heck of an IM team though!
 
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Fitzphile said:
At this point maybe he is just hunkering down to get his NU degree and move on with his life.
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Indeed, it's a good deal! A Northwestern degree on a basketball scholarship without actually having to play basketball. I don't blame the kid at all; sounds like he has his priorities straight.

Of course, if Northwestern decides that he should play basketball, then he's obligated to play basketball. Someone's at fault for him not playing basketball, and it's not him.
 
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I certainly can't speak for Vassar, but why on earth would he transfer? He certainly doesn't seem to have a future in professional basketball. He's got a chance at a free NU education. If what YesterdayCat said is accurate that Collins does not want him on the team, he wouldn't likely be interested in doing the team any favors. If he truly loves basketball, he would have already transferred to Directional-Hyphenate-State U.
He was guaranteed four years, which is the right thing to do. He's going to take advantage of it. Sucks for us to be down to 12 scholarship players, but good for him to make the most out of his educational opportunity.
 
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