Trivia Question

[CappyNU]

So we're 11-1 after 12 games, and like I've done in past years, I've compiled the lineup data for the team thus far. In raw totals, we're averaging 1.18 points per possession, and have given up 0.94 points per possession.

My question to the board, is which player is the only player to have a negative +/- rating on the team? When he is in the game, the team has given up 1.16 points per possession.

 

[rwhitney014]

Nikola Baran?

 

[NJCat83588]

So we're 11-1 after 12 games, and like I've done in past years, I've compiled the lineup data for the team thus far. In raw totals, we're averaging 1.18 points per possession, and have given up 0.94 points per possession.

My question to the board, is which player is the only player to have a negative +/- rating on the team? When he is in the game, the team has given up 1.16 points per possession.

Gotta be Charlie Hall. Or Dan Kreft.

 

[Alan Smithee]

Edward T. McCants IV, Esq.

 

[Medill90]

So we're 11-1 after 12 games, and like I've done in past years, I've compiled the lineup data for the team thus far. In raw totals, we're averaging 1.18 points per possession, and have given up 0.94 points per possession.

My question to the board, is which player is the only player to have a negative +/- rating on the team? When he is in the game, the team has given up 1.16 points per possession.

I'd have to venture JVZ primarily because of missed games which were all wins and a couple of which were huge blowouts.

Hall is another candidate but do not think you'd do that to us.

 

[Sec.112]

Demps or Taphorn. I'll say Demps.

 

[ricko654321]

Demps or Taphorn. I'll say Demps.

My guess is Falzon. Good question though, I'm curious.

 

[TheC]

Taphorn

 

[Mr. Stupor]

So we're 11-1 after 12 games, and like I've done in past years, I've compiled the lineup data for the team thus far. In raw totals, we're averaging 1.18 points per possession, and have given up 0.94 points per possession.

My question to the board, is which player is the only player to have a negative +/- rating on the team? When he is in the game, the team has given up 1.16 points per possession.

I am dying for the answer to this.

 

[Deeringfish]

So we're 11-1 after 12 games, and like I've done in past years, I've compiled the lineup data for the team thus far. In raw totals, we're averaging 1.18 points per possession, and have given up 0.94 points per possession.

My question to the board, is which player is the only player to have a negative +/- rating on the team? When he is in the game, the team has given up 1.16 points per possession.

Taphorn.

 

[mikewebb68]

Would be pleasantly surprised if it is not Taphorn, but he is my guess as well.

 

[ubercat]

Jim Sarno

 

[NURoseBowl]

Ash, maybe? I say that more because of the relatively limited floor time . . . that, and the fact that no one else has guessed him.

 

[CappyNU]

Good guesses by everyone, however Medill90 was the only one to answer correctly - it's JVZ. It's not related to the last 4 games that he has missed though, as prior to those he was still the only member with a negative +/-, though Taphorn, Lindsey and Ash were close. I'll give partial credit to those who guessed Taphorn though, as prior to the injury, Tap had a worse defensive PPP (1.17) while having a positive +/-.

Demps is below average, although with a caveat that he's been on the floor for 89% of possible minutes, so it's tough to determine how much he is responsible for defending numbers.

On the other hand, to address Rick's guess, Falzon has some of the best defensive numbers of anyone on the team. Lineups with him in the game have only given up 0.91 PPP.

If we only look at the five toughest games we've played (Columbia, UNC, Mizzou, VT, DePaul), Falzon shines again where the rest of the team does not. The team was a collective +7 and gave up 1.07 PPP, but lineups with Falzon were +33 and only gave up 0.99 PPP. Lineups with Olah were similarly good, at +22 and 1.00 PPP. At the other end, lineups with Lindsey were -24 and gave up 1.08 PPP, while lineups with Taphorn gave up an astounding 1.27 PPP.

While it's great that we've been able to blow out some of our opponents, data like this concerns me for the B1G season. Let's hope that the team is riding high on confidence that helps us keep winning these tight games, because the competition is going to stiffen real quick.

 

[TheC]

Good guesses by everyone, however Medill90 was the only one to answer correctly - it's JVZ. It's not related to the last 4 games that he has missed though, as prior to those he was still the only member with a negative +/-, though Taphorn, Lindsey and Ash were close. I'll give partial credit to those who guessed Taphorn though, as prior to the injury, Tap had a worse defensive PPP (1.17) while having a positive +/-.

Demps is below average, although with a caveat that he's been on the floor for 89% of possible minutes, so it's tough to determine how much he is responsible for defending numbers.

On the other hand, to address Rick's guess, Falzon has some of the best defensive numbers of anyone on the team. Lineups with him in the game have only given up 0.91 PPP.

If we only look at the five toughest games we've played (Columbia, UNC, Mizzou, VT, DePaul), Falzon shines again where the rest of the team does not. The team was a collective +7 and gave up 1.07 PPP, but lineups with Falzon were +33 and only gave up 0.99 PPP. Lineups with Olah were similarly good, at +22 and 1.00 PPP. At the other end, lineups with Lindsey were -24 and gave up 1.08 PPP, while lineups with Taphorn gave up an astounding 1.27 PPP.

While it's great that we've been able to blow out some of our opponents, data like this concerns me for the B1G season. Let's hope that the team is riding high on confidence that helps us keep winning these tight games, because the competition is going to stiffen real quick.

Partial credit!! Partial credit!!

 

[VirginiaWildcat]

Still think Taphorn has had a really good 1st half of the season. Better than Lindsay imo.

 

[NJCat83588]

Still think Taphorn has had a really good 1st half of the season. Better than Lindsay imo.

I agree with you. He seems to have matured and gained confidence. Very pleasant surprise.

 

[hdhntr1]

Good guesses by everyone, however Medill90 was the only one to answer correctly - it's JVZ. It's not related to the last 4 games that he has missed though, as prior to those he was still the only member with a negative +/-, though Taphorn, Lindsey and Ash were close. I'll give partial credit to those who guessed Taphorn though, as prior to the injury, Tap had a worse defensive PPP (1.17) while having a positive +/-.

Demps is below average, although with a caveat that he's been on the floor for 89% of possible minutes, so it's tough to determine how much he is responsible for defending numbers.

On the other hand, to address Rick's guess, Falzon has some of the best defensive numbers of anyone on the team. Lineups with him in the game have only given up 0.91 PPP.

If we only look at the five toughest games we've played (Columbia, UNC, Mizzou, VT, DePaul), Falzon shines again where the rest of the team does not. The team was a collective +7 and gave up 1.07 PPP, but lineups with Falzon were +33 and only gave up 0.99 PPP. Lineups with Olah were similarly good, at +22 and 1.00 PPP. At the other end, lineups with Lindsey were -24 and gave up 1.08 PPP, while lineups with Taphorn gave up an astounding 1.27 PPP.

While it's great that we've been able to blow out some of our opponents, data like this concerns me for the B1G season. Let's hope that the team is riding high on confidence that helps us keep winning these tight games, because the competition is going to stiffen real quick.

For JVZ, he tended to give up a lot of easy fouls and was poor at shooting FTs. That might have something to do with it. Low PPG, more PF per game, more TO than anyone other than our BM etc.

Regarding Falzone, while he is a starter, probably less minutes than any of the others. As such when he is on the floor, he has the entire compliment of first team. Everyone else plays with some of the second team so defensively we are likely weaker.

 

[CappyNU]

Still think Taphorn has had a really good 1st half of the season. Better than Lindsay imo.

On offense, absolutely. Lindsey has been the defensive version of Taphorn though - the team plays well defensively when he is out there, but really struggles to score, at least until this last game.

 

[Mr. Stupor]

So where does Demps rank in terms of the lowest numbers? 3rd lowest? 4th? 7th? What? We are 11-1. He plays a sick percentage of minutes. It stands to reason his +\- numbers should be really really good. Are they?

 

[CappyNU]

So where does Demps rank in terms of the lowest numbers? 3rd lowest? 4th? 7th? What? We are 11-1. He plays a sick percentage of minutes. It stands to reason his +\- numbers should be really really good. Are they?

The team has a collective +/- of +196 for all games, and +7 for the toughest 5. Demps has a +/- of +160 overall and -1 for the toughest 5. With him playing 89% of minutes, one would expect him to have a +/- of +174. In terms of the difference between actual and expected +/-, he's 6th on the team behind Olah, Falzon, Skelly, BMac and Taphorn.

 

[Mr. Stupor]

You're right. I'm sorry. I've said it before many times and I've been criticized for it many times for it. Usually by folks who can't accept truth. Just like another guard that I had things to say about early in his career after an LSU game his freshman year when everybody went bananas over him -- and I was proven right and you all were proven wrong.

So honestly, why do you even bother trying to tell me I'm wrong anymore? Honestly?

Just give me one example of where I stand my ground like this and I am wrong. Just one. I won't hold my breath.

Guys who go 1 on 5 over and over and over again never change. They're anchors. They're selfish by definition.

They can work all they want on "their game" but it doesn't change the fact that they keep teams from being as good as they can be.

Merry Christmas. And yes. Sometimes the truth is disgusting. Sometimes terrifically skilled basketball players (fantastic players in fact) do harm to their team's growth if they can't bring themselves to play team basketball.

 

[hdhntr1]

Jim Sarno

Remember his game against UCLA and Alcindor

 

[Medill90]

Good guesses by everyone, however Medill90 was the only one to answer correctly - it's JVZ. It's not related to the last 4 games that he has missed though, as prior to those he was still the only member with a negative +/-

So I won but I was wrong. This trivia question is just like my marriage.

 

[hdhntr1]

You're right. I'm sorry. I've said it before many times and I've been criticized for it many times for it. Usually by folks who can't accept truth. Just like another guard that I had things to say about early in his career after an LSU game his freshman year when everybody went bananas over him -- and I was proven right and you all were proven wrong.

So honestly, why do you even bother trying to tell me I'm wrong anymore? Honestly?

Just give me one example of where I stand my ground like this and I am wrong. Just one. I won't hold my breath.

Guys who go 1 on 5 over and over and over again never change. They're anchors. They're selfish by definition.

They can work all they want on "their game" but it doesn't change the fact that they keep teams from being as good as they can be.

Merry Christmas. And yes. Sometimes the truth is disgusting. Sometimes terrifically skilled basketball players (fantastic players in fact) do harm to their team's growth if they can't bring themselves to play team basketball.

I would say you are mostly right. TD is a ball hog, takes a lot of shots and is a pretty streaky player. FG % is only about 41% and 3pt % is only 33%. These are much lower %s than BM for example and in fact his shooting % is lower than anyone else on the team but he takes significantly more shots. He takes about 33% more shots than BM to score about 1 pt more. While he has about half the assists of BM in more minutes, although that is not necessarily his job. That said, he is the player most able to create his own shot and that may be missed. Little interesting that for all his athletic ability, his taking a lot of shots, he shoots less FTs. In addition, for all his athleticism, he gets remarkably few steals.

So while you are right, next year the question is, will we have someone who can create their own shot but is less selfish. If we can, it will be an improvement. If not, his willingness and ability to create his own shot may be missed.

 

[mikewebb68]

You're right. I'm sorry. I've said it before many times and I've been criticized for it many times for it. Usually by folks who can't accept truth. Just like another guard that I had things to say about early in his career after an LSU game his freshman year when everybody went bananas over him -- and I was proven right and you all were proven wrong.

So honestly, why do you even bother trying to tell me I'm wrong anymore? Honestly?

Just give me one example of where I stand my ground like this and I am wrong. Just one. I won't hold my breath.

Guys who go 1 on 5 over and over and over again never change. They're anchors. They're selfish by definition.

They can work all they want on "their game" but it doesn't change the fact that they keep teams from being as good as they can be.

Merry Christmas. And yes. Sometimes the truth is disgusting. Sometimes terrifically skilled basketball players (fantastic players in fact) do harm to their team's growth if they can't bring themselves to play team basketball.

We know all about your "truth" Tell us again about how no one, including yourself, ever called for Fitz's firing.