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Was it Really An Upset???

Hungry Jack

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Bear with me. By Vegas standards, we flipped the spread against a favored team. And I certainly did not expect us to win, but was hoping we could play well enough to win.

But, ex post, several things suggest that this game was going to be much closer than Vegas suggested:
1) Stanford's inexperienced defense: I did not know that the Cardinal had ZERO returning starters on defense until it was mentioned during the game (a Cal poster brought it up here too, but I never saw the thread until yesterday). That's amazing, and it really showed in the trenches, especially during the second half. Our ability to run took a lot of pressure of Thorson to make plays (and he still made several), and kept Stanford's (alleged) powerful offense on the sideline.

2) #21 early season ranking don't mean doodly-squat: I think ranking outside the top 10 teams are pretty fluid, and an early season ranking beyond 15 is pretty much a crap shoot. Sure, the Cardinal was ranked and lost to unranked team, but I find this distinction to be almost arbitrary at this point of the season.

3) Early start time: Hogan looked off by quite a bit for a 5th year senior who was throwing very well late last year. His timing was late on several sideline throws, and a few key drops hurt him too. My hypotheses that the early start impacted Stanford, who had several offside/encroachment penalties on defense.

4) Heat and humidity: Stanford's D line was visibly gassed in Q4. They spend a lot of time on the field in conditions that they probably rarely encounter. College teams are never in "game" condition in week 1, but I think the Cardinal was more susceptible to the weather than the Cats.

These things do not explain why Stanford lost. The Cats clearly beat them by controlling the LOS, avoiding turnovers and big mistakes, and making more plays at critical times. I had no idea that the Oline had this type of game in them, and the defense was probably better than most of us expected. But I am not sure this game was the mismatch that many might have expected.
 
Clearly the proof was in the pudding but NU had not show much evidence in the last two years that the pudding mix was very good.
 
Bear with me. By Vegas standards, we flipped the spread against a favored team. And I certainly did not expect us to win, but was hoping we could play well enough to win.

But, ex post, several things suggest that this game was going to be much closer than Vegas suggested:
1) Stanford's inexperienced defense: I did not know that the Cardinal had ZERO returning starters on defense until it was mentioned during the game (a Cal poster brought it up here too, but I never saw the thread until yesterday). That's amazing, and it really showed in the trenches, especially during the second half. Our ability to run took a lot of pressure of Thorson to make plays (and he still made several), and kept Stanford's (alleged) powerful offense on the sideline.

2) #21 early season ranking don't mean doodly-squat: I think ranking outside the top 10 teams are pretty fluid, and an early season ranking beyond 15 is pretty much a crap shoot. Sure, the Cardinal was ranked and lost to unranked team, but I find this distinction to be almost arbitrary at this point of the season.

3) Early start time: Hogan looked off by quite a bit for a 5th year senior who was throwing very well late last year. His timing was late on several sideline throws, and a few key drops hurt him too. My hypotheses that the early start impacted Stanford, who had several offside/encroachment penalties on defense.

4) Heat and humidity: Stanford's D line was visibly gassed in Q4. They spend a lot of time on the field in conditions that they probably rarely encounter. College teams are never in "game" condition in week 1, but I think the Cardinal was more susceptible to the weather than the Cats.

These things do not explain why Stanford lost. The Cats clearly beat them by controlling the LOS, avoiding turnovers and big mistakes, and making more plays at critical times. I had no idea that the Oline had this type of game in them, and the defense was probably better than most of us expected. But I am not sure this game was the mismatch that many might have expected.
It was a huge upset in terms of how people perceived NU and our recruiting class rankings after the last two seasons against how people perceived Stanford and their recruiting class rankings after the last two seasons. That is what pre-season rankings are all about.

Now there are some games played and the rankings are going to begin to reflect the actual teams on the field (at least a little bit).
 
I'm hoping it's an upset like the ND game was an upset in '95. At the time it seemed unlikely, but as the season wore on it became clear that NU was the better team.
 
Bear with me. By Vegas standards, we flipped the spread against a favored team. And I certainly did not expect us to win, but was hoping we could play well enough to win.

But, ex post, several things suggest that this game was going to be much closer than Vegas suggested:
1) Stanford's inexperienced defense: I did not know that the Cardinal had ZERO returning starters on defense until it was mentioned during the game (a Cal poster brought it up here too, but I never saw the thread until yesterday). That's amazing, and it really showed in the trenches, especially during the second half. Our ability to run took a lot of pressure of Thorson to make plays (and he still made several), and kept Stanford's (alleged) powerful offense on the sideline.

2) #21 early season ranking don't mean doodly-squat: I think ranking outside the top 10 teams are pretty fluid, and an early season ranking beyond 15 is pretty much a crap shoot. Sure, the Cardinal was ranked and lost to unranked team, but I find this distinction to be almost arbitrary at this point of the season.

3) Early start time: Hogan looked off by quite a bit for a 5th year senior who was throwing very well late last year. His timing was late on several sideline throws, and a few key drops hurt him too. My hypotheses that the early start impacted Stanford, who had several offside/encroachment penalties on defense.

4) Heat and humidity: Stanford's D line was visibly gassed in Q4. They spend a lot of time on the field in conditions that they probably rarely encounter. College teams are never in "game" condition in week 1, but I think the Cardinal was more susceptible to the weather than the Cats.

These things do not explain why Stanford lost. The Cats clearly beat them by controlling the LOS, avoiding turnovers and big mistakes, and making more plays at critical times. I had no idea that the Oline had this type of game in them, and the defense was probably better than most of us expected. But I am not sure this game was the mismatch that many might have expected.
They did NOT have zero starters back on defense. Linebacker Blake Martinez was one of their stars on D last year and had 14 tackles in the game. Also, the two other linebackers, Anderson and Kalambayi combined for 11 sacks last year. Their D line and secondary was all new but it wasn't like they were playing a bunch of freshmen out there (like Texas was vs. ND). And their offense, which rang up 45 vs. Maryland in their bowl win had nine starters back (4/5 of their formidable offensive line), so yes, they should have been favored.
 
Maybe the 'Cats O-line and D-line just got that much better over the off-season.

Might need a larger sample size for the O-line (don't think EIU is going to do the trick).

If the O-line holds up well against Minny's D-line (don't know enough about the Dookies yet), then we'll know that the 'Cats really have something up front.
 
They did NOT have zero starters back on defense. Linebacker Blake Martinez was one of their stars on D last year and had 14 tackles in the game. Also, the two other linebackers, Anderson and Kalambayi combined for 11 sacks last year. Their D line and secondary was all new but it wasn't like they were playing a bunch of freshmen out there (like Texas was vs. ND). And their offense, which rang up 45 vs. Maryland in their bowl win had nine starters back (4/5 of their formidable offensive line), so yes, they should have been favored.


This. Stanford has talent and experience. No excuse for their offense stinking up the joint, except they were outplayed.
 
Bear with me. By Vegas standards, we flipped the spread against a favored team. And I certainly did not expect us to win, but was hoping we could play well enough to win.

But, ex post, several things suggest that this game was going to be much closer than Vegas suggested:
1) Stanford's inexperienced defense: I did not know that the Cardinal had ZERO returning starters on defense until it was mentioned during the game (a Cal poster brought it up here too, but I never saw the thread until yesterday). That's amazing, and it really showed in the trenches, especially during the second half. Our ability to run took a lot of pressure of Thorson to make plays (and he still made several), and kept Stanford's (alleged) powerful offense on the sideline.

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They had zero returning starters on the D line, not the entire defense.
 
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