We are headed for a disaster of biblical proportions

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  1. villox

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    Call me a chicken little all you want, but what’s about to happen in Arizona, Oklahoma, Florida, Texas, and even California will be a huge disaster.

    We will see:
    Hospitals overrun
    Many people of all ages sick and dying
    All sports canceled
    More shutdowns
    Hundreds of thousands more dead

    I hopE I’m wrong. But when I’m not I will humbly accept the apologies of skeptics.
     
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    At this point, you may just be trolling.
     
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    ...trolling for dead bodies.
     
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    OK Jeff Foxworthy.
     
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    It doesn't have to be, but these states are going to have to entirely shut down again..... which they won't.
     
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    Trump's rally tomorrow IS going to kill people. Trump is the poster child for the problem. Do something about him and we do something about the problem. But because our national representatives are spineless, we must wait until November, when we should be doing something now. With this guy in office and a stranglehold on any possible positive progress, we are just stuck in the ditch with a flat tire. The irony is, if things get bad enough he could get a foothold and concoct some justification to be re-elected. I think he wants things to get worse, so he can claim to be the savior. These are dark times for many Americans and they will vote for any extreme that gives them hope. If this transpires, you will be CHICKEN LITTLE. And you will be right.
     
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    “Call me a chicken little all you want, but what’s about to happen in Arizona, Oklahoma, Florida, Texas, and even California will be a huge disaster.

    We will see:
    Hospitals overrun
    Many people of all ages sick and dying
    All sports canceled
    More shutdowns”

    I fully expect parts or all of California to go back into lockdown again. Summer is a prime time tourism period when we have tourists coming in from hot-weather states like Utah, Nevada and Arizona, states now experiencing spikes in infections and hospitalizations. The summer influx of tourists flocking to the SoCal tourist attractions in the process of reopening does not bode well. Couple this with resistance by many to recommended precautions of social distancing and wearing masks so I agree this could become a disaster, even before we reach flu season later this fall/winter.
     
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    You are right.
     
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    Based on that logic, BLM is killing many more people by organizing protest marches across the country. Weddings are murder. Church services are homicide. Airplanes are guns. Trains and buses are cyanide.

    I agree that large indoor gatherings are likely super spreader events. But one thing you might note about people is that they tend to make their own decisions on things that are risky. We eat bad foods, smoke, drink, do drugs, drive too fast, play with matches, fail to wear safety goggles when using miter saws, have unprotected sex, swim in shark-filled waters, and juggle flaming torches while riding a unicycle.

    Yes. People do dumb and dangerous stuff all the time. It’s who we are.
     
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    Amen - murder to healthy brain cells and logic.
     
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    You guys should be thrilled about the rally. It likely means more dead Republicans.
     
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    The protests have so far not borne out any increase in cases. People attending large indoor gatherings are not only putting themselves at risk. They’re increasing the reach of the virus into populations that didn’t attend the rally, like pharmacists, restaurant workers, grocery cashiers, etc. It’s irresponsible and EVIL.
     
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    If the disease wasn't so easily spreadable to anyone they came into contact with, I would have no issue with people running out and contracting the virus. But since this is a public health concern that affects everyone, my enthusiasm at their potential demise is tempered.
     
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    Waht?
     
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    Well then, let's go out have some unprotected sex. Bring your mask.

    I know one thing, I would not go to an NU football game at this time (sad), even being outside. Especially against Iowa.
     
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    Most of the things you mentioned are things that only put the individuals at risk. Allowing large indoor gatherings put the entire community at risk. They’re different and they should not be allowed.
     
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    I’m done
     
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    Waht?
     
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    Perhaps if you could state exactly what’s confusing you we could have a civil discourse about it.
     
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    Having unprotected sex? Good!
     
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    It explains why Father's Day has special significance to me
     
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    I am being civil. I did not call you names or insult your pet horse.

    Both events are large gatherings. LOTS of people in close quarters. I assume the MAGA rally is indoors, but we are still talking about LOTS of people in close quarters.

    Arguing that the marches have not resulted in any increase in cases is just bogus. You are much, much smarter than that.

    And how is a protest march different from a political rally in terms of risk of community spread? Both are large gatherings of people from different households, neighborhoods, and walks of life. I do not see how they are materially different.

    That said, the protest marches serve a vital purpose. Honestly, I cannot think of a better cause. Now the mayors, county executives and police union chiefs need to show some balls and put some teeth into the labor contracts governing police forces.

    As for MAGA rallies, meh.
     
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    IMO the difference is the protests are people deciding that even at this time protests are necessary. In the case of MAGA rallies, it is a leader dictating a policy that puts his followers at risk.
     
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    Not happening!

    Why are you and liberals such fearful people who need big govt to take care of you?
    Havent you learned by now that fear obstructs a sound mind and that Man and his govt is overrated and will never save you?
    I believe in Paully Mc and his live and let die! We cant control some things, and there is too much of a compromise in living to pay any mind to covid, other than mask and social distancing.
    Gotta live free or die! I lived in NH for 10 years so a shout out to their philosophy!
     
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    That’s a logical stretch. Unless the local authorities deem otherwise, it is a personal choice to assemble and accept the risks. I see no difference in that regard.

    As I expressed above, the protests against police violence are critically important to changing society. Political rallies, not so much.
     
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    I am of the personal belief that our lives are much more ruled by randomness than our brains would ever let us accept. Humans have an innate need to feel in control of their environment. When catastrophe strikes, we immediately look for something to blame.

    Now that I am older and watch too much Uhtred, I am just as inclined to blame the gods.
     
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    Now that you have posted your argument, I can tell you why you are incorrect.

    Firstly, packing 20,000 people into an indoor arena is a very different risk scenario than outdoor gatherings. This is because the hvac systems recirculate and disperse the virus. This has been studied and simulated. All large spreading events known to date have been indoors.

    You agree that protests are important and rallies are not. What you are not acknowledging is that knowing people will take unnecessary risks, it is the government’s job to limit them. The protests are not organized by any central group. I know this because I have attended several of them and there are often even “competing” protests that coincidentally run into one another. Even if we wanted to or it was constitutional to shut them down, we couldn’t.

    However, Trump (and the GOP Politicians allowing him to) could stop the rally simply by not going there. It is a permitted, ticketed at an arena paid for and advertised by the campaign. Holding it is dangerous and irresponsible and goes against his own CDC’s guidance.

    Finally, we know that the protests are not (yet) responsible for spikes because they have been going on for weeks and they have not yet led to them. USA Today analyzed the data and found no connection. The protests I have attended have all been outdoors and nearly 100% are wearing masks. Plus you don’t really remain in contact with the same individuals for extended periods.
     
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    Fair enough. I think the onus is on the local authority to deny the permit. Obviously Trump chose Tulsa for a reason. Now that the permit is granted, it is up to individuals to decide if they will attend and accept the risks.
     
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    Does the president have any responsibility to display better judgment and avoid an action that could hurt a lot of people?

    Yes, the local authority bears responsibility for its decision, as do the people choosing to attend. No question. Everyone is responsible. But if everyone is responsible, doesn't Trump bear some of the responsibility as well?
     
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    Quite different . The Trump goings on are indoors , with no safe distance spacing and a few if any people wear face coverings. The protests are conducted outdoors with natural spacing because they are walking and most are wear face masks. Simple differences.
     
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    Meh. The biggest difference is indoor vs. outdoor, which is significant.
     
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    So it begins...

     
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    Remember the Legionnaires Disease outbreak in Philadelphia? It was a virus in the air conditioning. Just one person with COVID sneezing into a return vent could infect the entire 19,000 people. But of course the trump team has thought of that.
     
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    Thank you, I'm now going to go out and walk into an airplane propeller. After all, it is my right.
     
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    best news of the month. F*ck them all.
     
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    Is one that lying Press Secretary?
     
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    It's called going "full press secretary".
     
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    Gee surprise, surprise. Mostly white(99.9%) and mask-less.
     

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