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Where does player development fit in?

NUCat320

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Going by recruiting rankings, and by the opinion of those on this board who watch film, NU’s talent is higher than it’s ever been. Or close anyway. Certainly better than it was five or eight years ago.

NU has always punched above its weight - going by recruiting rankings, most years NU should have finished dead last in the conference - but, despite this surge in recruiting, the program is more or less where it was five years ago. Double digit wins, then a year lost in the woods. (The West is baaaaad, so maybe there’s a light at the end of the tunnel, still.)

A disturbing truism is that NU seems to rarely have guys ascend the depth chart over time. If an NU player is to become a star, it’s generally obvious from his first year on the field. This is probably typical. However, it seems to me that NU does a worse-than-average job of moving players from scout team to third string to competitive depth to starter to stardom.

Am I off-base here? Are there exceptions? Cam Green seems to potentially be one, but that may simply be do to the position opening up. Opportunity more than ascendance.

Looking at the drafted players of recent ilk, JJ, Walker, Campbell, Vitale, Lowry, and Siemian were difference-makers from their first snap. The only exception in the last five years of draft classes might be Odenigbo, who was known to be green when he signed.

Development as a coaching skill is tough to measure, but it’s also the most important part. Do we have evidence that suggest NU is worst at developing players than other programs in the conference? I think we probably do.
 
Going by recruiting rankings, and by the opinion of those on this board who watch film, NU’s talent is higher than it’s ever been. Or close anyway. Certainly better than it was five or eight years ago.

NU has always punched above its weight - going by recruiting rankings, most years NU should have finished dead last in the conference - but, despite this surge in recruiting, the program is more or less where it was five years ago. Double digit wins, then a year lost in the woods. (The West is baaaaad, so maybe there’s a light at the end of the tunnel, still.)

A disturbing truism is that NU seems to rarely have guys ascend the depth chart over time. If an NU player is to become a star, it’s generally obvious from his first year on the field. This is probably typical. However, it seems to me that NU does a worse-than-average job of moving players from scout team to third string to competitive depth to starter to stardom.

Am I off-base here? Are there exceptions? Cam Green seems to potentially be one, but that may simply be do to the position opening up. Opportunity more than ascendance.

Looking at the drafted players of recent ilk, JJ, Walker, Campbell, Vitale, Lowry, and Siemian were difference-makers from their first snap. The only exception in the last five years of draft classes might be Odenigbo, who was known to be green when he signed.

Development as a coaching skill is tough to measure, but it’s also the most important part. Do we have evidence that suggest NU is worst at developing players than other programs in the conference? I think we probably do.
I think you are imagining things. The DL is definitely an exception. OL as well. WR as well . Larkin moved up the depth chart. But I would guess you would say the same at most programs other than the Blue Blood programs. If a guy comes in and starts as a Frosh (or RS Frosh), as long as he remains healthy how does someone move up? CT started as a Frosh and how does someone get a head of him? JJ as well. So other than injury, who was going to take their place? Then they will have the game experience that keeps them a head.
 
I think you are imagining things. The DL is definitely an exception. OL as well. WR as well . Larkin moved up the depth chart. But I would guess you would say the same at most programs other than the Blue Blood programs. If a guy comes in and starts as a Frosh (or RS Frosh), as long as he remains healthy how does someone move up? CT started as a Frosh and how does someone get a head of him? JJ as well. So other than injury, who was going to take their place? Then they will have the game experience that keeps them a head.

Larkin was ready to start day 1. Justin Jackson was the only reason he didn’t.
 
Going by recruiting rankings, and by the opinion of those on this board who watch film, NU’s talent is higher than it’s ever been. Or close anyway. Certainly better than it was five or eight years ago.

NU has always punched above its weight - going by recruiting rankings, most years NU should have finished dead last in the conference - but, despite this surge in recruiting, the program is more or less where it was five years ago. Double digit wins, then a year lost in the woods. (The West is baaaaad, so maybe there’s a light at the end of the tunnel, still.)

A disturbing truism is that NU seems to rarely have guys ascend the depth chart over time. If an NU player is to become a star, it’s generally obvious from his first year on the field. This is probably typical. However, it seems to me that NU does a worse-than-average job of moving players from scout team to third string to competitive depth to starter to stardom.

Am I off-base here? Are there exceptions? Cam Green seems to potentially be one, but that may simply be do to the position opening up. Opportunity more than ascendance.

Looking at the drafted players of recent ilk, JJ, Walker, Campbell, Vitale, Lowry, and Siemian were difference-makers from their first snap. The only exception in the last five years of draft classes might be Odenigbo, who was known to be green when he signed.

Development as a coaching skill is tough to measure, but it’s also the most important part. Do we have evidence that suggest NU is worst at developing players than other programs in the conference? I think we probably do.

Uh oh, judging from the bball board, these guys really don't think player development is a cut and dry, or even fair topic, to be discussed in public...
 
I think you are imagining things. The DL is definitely an exception. OL as well. WR as well . Larkin moved up the depth chart. But I would guess you would say the same at most programs other than the Blue Blood programs. If a guy comes in and starts as a Frosh (or RS Frosh), as long as he remains healthy how does someone move up? CT started as a Frosh and how does someone get a head of him? JJ as well. So other than injury, who was going to take their place? Then they will have the game experience that keeps them a head.

Neither of these two positions provide great example. These are two position groups that have shown little to no talent development, so players simply graduate onto the field.

So howabout QB? Nope CT started as a frosh. SB? DB? LB?
 
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