some years ago, I recall NU was playing against Indiana at IU. Late in the game, our starting QB got injured, if I remember correctly. A new QB came in and threw something like a 30 yard backwards pass, while spinning and pretty much ended our come back chances. Am I at all close on this? Not sure what made me think of it, well yes, actually the thought of Trevor on the Bears actually triggered this for some reason. Was it Kafka?
who was the QB for NU that threw that really bad pass?
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It had an uncanny resemblance to the Winston pass in the Florida State-Oregon bowl game this year.
Our QB's get eaten alive!!!!
Kafka had tons of early mistakes and was finally relegated to the bench, after starting. CJ proved far superior for the next two years. With the emergence of zeke, ebery, Lane, Brewer, Drake, we had a bunch of receivers under a good wr coach in Coach Johns who ran great routes, caught every pass, and knew what the hell they were doing. And Kafka maintained his health.
IMO, the thing that has killed us the last several years [post Kafka years] is that our QB's have gotten eaten alive behind a shitty OL and lack of recognition by Coach McCall. Our coaches hold the naïve and young Fitz hostage to his misplaced loyalty insomuch that Fitz is more loyal to them than his players and the program. Loyalty that produces insanity is no virtue.
Until Fitz recognizes some otherwise awful coaches on his staff, our QB's will continue to get eaten alive.
From Persa, who got mangled, to Colter, Trevor, our QB's are Clay pigeons who get abused. What interest me is Kafka. Kafka represents a QB who didn't get mangled. IMO, because he was big and also could run. Thus, even though Fitz was boneheaded and stubborn and decided to bring back terrible coaches, I do have some hope that maybe Thorson can escape the onslaught our opponents will attempt to feast upon him since Thorson is big and can run.
Now if we can just get a few grad assistants to coach the wide receivers how to run a route or catch a freakn ball. Good Grief!
Kafka had tons of early mistakes and was finally relegated to the bench, after starting. CJ proved far superior for the next two years. With the emergence of zeke, ebery, Lane, Brewer, Drake, we had a bunch of receivers under a good wr coach in Coach Johns who ran great routes, caught every pass, and knew what the hell they were doing. And Kafka maintained his health.
IMO, the thing that has killed us the last several years [post Kafka years] is that our QB's have gotten eaten alive behind a shitty OL and lack of recognition by Coach McCall. Our coaches hold the naïve and young Fitz hostage to his misplaced loyalty insomuch that Fitz is more loyal to them than his players and the program. Loyalty that produces insanity is no virtue.
Until Fitz recognizes some otherwise awful coaches on his staff, our QB's will continue to get eaten alive.
From Persa, who got mangled, to Colter, Trevor, our QB's are Clay pigeons who get abused. What interest me is Kafka. Kafka represents a QB who didn't get mangled. IMO, because he was big and also could run. Thus, even though Fitz was boneheaded and stubborn and decided to bring back terrible coaches, I do have some hope that maybe Thorson can escape the onslaught our opponents will attempt to feast upon him since Thorson is big and can run.
Now if we can just get a few grad assistants to coach the wide receivers how to run a route or catch a freakn ball. Good Grief!
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BTW, I know you were in the Stadium Club before the game and Fitz' and McCall were there as well. Did you avail yourself of the opportunity to tell Fitz' (and McCall) what you think?
This post was edited on 3/5 11:00 AM by CatQ
How did Dan get mangled? He took some shots being mobile in the pocket, but he was just as adept a runner as Kafka, who you mention as not getting mangled.
BTW, I know you were in the Stadium Club before the game and Fitz' and McCall were there as well. Did you avail yourself of the opportunity to tell Fitz' (and McCall) what you think?
This post was edited on 3/5 11:00 AM by CatQ
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Don't you know all of Turk's stuff is parody? Remember, he told us to look for the signs of his parody, like some of his buddies that will now come on a make some posts agreeing with him so we can keep this thing going! Isn't it great! He's so clever and is the master.
Don't you know all of Turk's stuff is parody? Remember, he told us to look for the signs of his parody, like some of his buddies that will now come on a make some posts agreeing with him so we can keep this thing going! Isn't it great! He's so clever and is the master.
Re: Our QB's get eaten alive!!!!
Persa was mangled twice. He took tons of shots. Missed the rest of his junior season. Not sue what your point is.
Yes i saw fitz. Obviously im not one of his favs because i call it as i see it.he gave me a sorta mean smile. No big deal.
why would i go up to fitz and tell him i wish he would have sent a few coaches packing? Please explain
Persa was mangled twice. He took tons of shots. Missed the rest of his junior season. Not sue what your point is.
Yes i saw fitz. Obviously im not one of his favs because i call it as i see it.he gave me a sorta mean smile. No big deal.
why would i go up to fitz and tell him i wish he would have sent a few coaches packing? Please explain
Re: Our QB's get eaten alive!!!!
Twice? Is that a lot of mangled? He missed the rest of his junior season because he jumped up and down and blew out his achilles. Maybe you should talk to DP directly and get his frank opinion on whether he was 'mangled' or if his offensive line didn't protect him.
Re: Our QB's get eaten alive!!!!
Tell you to talk to Fitz'? I wasn't sure it was you, without your unique NU football jersey. Only after seeing you court side did I realize it was.
Anyway, I was too busy talking to Fitz' and McCall, who didn't really seem like they were in a mood to talk but it didn't deter me.
This post was edited on 3/5 1:04 PM by CatQ
Tell you to talk to Fitz'? I wasn't sure it was you, without your unique NU football jersey. Only after seeing you court side did I realize it was.
Anyway, I was too busy talking to Fitz' and McCall, who didn't really seem like they were in a mood to talk but it didn't deter me.
This post was edited on 3/5 1:04 PM by CatQ
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Fitz was with his family. It chaps my ass when fans interrupt his family time. Also im not any authority so it makes no sense for me to explain to fitz how his loyalty issues are not virtues in this context. As fans, we address our concerns above fitz. We also talk about our concerns one to another. Im not sure it would make any sense for me to tell fitz he should whack his coaches. Nor would it make any sense for him to justify to me why he thinks the coaches didnt fail.
Im not indebted to fitz so i would b free to express my opinion without losing any perks but i think it would b indecent to tell him that.
He answers to phillips.
This post was edited on 3/5 1:13 PM by Turk
Fitz was with his family. It chaps my ass when fans interrupt his family time. Also im not any authority so it makes no sense for me to explain to fitz how his loyalty issues are not virtues in this context. As fans, we address our concerns above fitz. We also talk about our concerns one to another. Im not sure it would make any sense for me to tell fitz he should whack his coaches. Nor would it make any sense for him to justify to me why he thinks the coaches didnt fail.
Im not indebted to fitz so i would b free to express my opinion without losing any perks but i think it would b indecent to tell him that.
He answers to phillips.
This post was edited on 3/5 1:13 PM by Turk
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Turk with Fitz
This post was edited on 3/5 2:20 PM by Gladeskat
So you make up and post all kinds of trash behind his back on message boards but lack the guts to ask him questions in his presence. Instead, you're left speechless like a 12 year old girl backstage with the Biebs while he shows you how he runs practice.
Turk with Fitz
This post was edited on 3/5 2:20 PM by Gladeskat
Re: Our QB's get eaten alive!!!!
Im not sure what you are talking about. I havent said anything private bor would i have any problem expressing my opinion to him in a proper setting. Such a setting would b a more casual one where everyone can shoot the shit over a beer or something. I would never speak to fitz when he is with his family. And i thought it was incredibly ignorant that some fans rudely interrupted him while he was with his wife and kids.
Im not sure what you are talking about. I havent said anything private bor would i have any problem expressing my opinion to him in a proper setting. Such a setting would b a more casual one where everyone can shoot the shit over a beer or something. I would never speak to fitz when he is with his family. And i thought it was incredibly ignorant that some fans rudely interrupted him while he was with his wife and kids.
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For the record, Fitz' came in with McCall and Stacy and the kids that were there came earlier. At least one of his kids is around the program almost all the time he is outside Nicolet, so by your definition, there's no time a fan can ever approach him. And if he didn't want to socialize, he wouldn't make the rounds shaking hands when he came into the Stadium Club. He realizes it's part of his job.
This post was edited on 3/5 2:38 PM by CatQ
Fair enough.
For the record, Fitz' came in with McCall and Stacy and the kids that were there came earlier. At least one of his kids is around the program almost all the time he is outside Nicolet, so by your definition, there's no time a fan can ever approach him. And if he didn't want to socialize, he wouldn't make the rounds shaking hands when he came into the Stadium Club. He realizes it's part of his job.
This post was edited on 3/5 2:38 PM by CatQ
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He's on school property in a room full of big wigs and boosters and is easily identifiable. You and I may see him every game, but that doesn't mean that others in attendance who may only be there this once wouldn't want to shake his hand and say hello. If he wanted to spend some quiet family time, as you assert, he could have done that in Nicolet.
This post was edited on 3/5 2:37 PM by CatQ
You weren't paying attention, Turk. Read my other post, just put up. Since it looks like you're calling me ignorant, Fitz' made eye contact with me and smiled and said hello as he came up while I was talking to McCall (who was standing at a table by himself since Stacy and the kids had left).
He's on school property in a room full of big wigs and boosters and is easily identifiable. You and I may see him every game, but that doesn't mean that others in attendance who may only be there this once wouldn't want to shake his hand and say hello. If he wanted to spend some quiet family time, as you assert, he could have done that in Nicolet.
This post was edited on 3/5 2:37 PM by CatQ
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And u think i should have went up to fitz and mccall and told fitz that he should have fired one of his best friends. Are you out of your mind?
And u think i should have went up to fitz and mccall and told fitz that he should have fired one of his best friends. Are you out of your mind?
Re: Our QB's get eaten alive!!!!
Its one thing to be social but quite another to tell him how to coach. There are things that fitz does that is boneheaded and our shitty seasons are a good witness but why would i or any fan go up to him and toss him in the witness stand and start accusing him of some known bonehead moves? Im not his accuser, im a fan. If he asked me, id tell him i honestly cant understand why on earth he keeps awful coaches.
Its one thing to be social but quite another to tell him how to coach. There are things that fitz does that is boneheaded and our shitty seasons are a good witness but why would i or any fan go up to him and toss him in the witness stand and start accusing him of some known bonehead moves? Im not his accuser, im a fan. If he asked me, id tell him i honestly cant understand why on earth he keeps awful coaches.
I think it's safe to say that you shouldn't judge a quarterback based on one pass that he was trying to throw out of bounds while being sacked. I hope we have settled on that one. He was in for one series at the end of the game and threw two passes. He completed the first one and should have taken the sack on the next play. I know you are just summarizing how the board reacted but it still makes me shake my head that folks used it to conclude Kafka was a bad quarterback.
Re: Our QB's get eaten alive!!!!
Cmon Turk, Persa was hurt jumping up and down to celebrate a game winning touchdown pass. Yes, he took some shots. All QBs do, but they did not cause his injury.
Cmon Turk, Persa was hurt jumping up and down to celebrate a game winning touchdown pass. Yes, he took some shots. All QBs do, but they did not cause his injury.
Re: Our QB's get eaten alive!!!!
Im not sure it was quite like that. From what i remember, the Fields td resulted in persas injury due to him going backwards from oncoming defensive end. Sorta strange injury considering he got pounded more ferociously all season. Colter could scramble but how many hits did he take? I think trevor got sacked 9 times in one game. Our qbs get hit...and plenty of it.
There would b no reason why alviti or oliver transfer given the fact that our opening game qb has been knocked out in every season since kafka.
We need to either do a better job coaching ol or developing our ol more suitably.
Im not sure it was quite like that. From what i remember, the Fields td resulted in persas injury due to him going backwards from oncoming defensive end. Sorta strange injury considering he got pounded more ferociously all season. Colter could scramble but how many hits did he take? I think trevor got sacked 9 times in one game. Our qbs get hit...and plenty of it.
There would b no reason why alviti or oliver transfer given the fact that our opening game qb has been knocked out in every season since kafka.
We need to either do a better job coaching ol or developing our ol more suitably.
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Jumping, Turk - @ 0:23
Turk, really? All QBs get hit at every level of the game. They get hit when they are expecting it, and when they are completely unready for it. They get hit when things go wrong, and when things are going right. It's not like they are punters.
Jumping, Turk - @ 0:23
Re: Our QB's get eaten alive!!!!
I believe i accurately described it. It looked like a tentatively mini jump as though he felt something. Im not sure the injury was a result of celebration. His motion backwards was the result of pressure. Nonetheless, whatever the case, our qbs continue to get pummelled. It wasnt fair to trevor the last two years as mccall continued minimum protections and asinine longer routes. Only post michigan did mccall finally grasp the idea that he must shorten routes and 3 step drops.
I believe i accurately described it. It looked like a tentatively mini jump as though he felt something. Im not sure the injury was a result of celebration. His motion backwards was the result of pressure. Nonetheless, whatever the case, our qbs continue to get pummelled. It wasnt fair to trevor the last two years as mccall continued minimum protections and asinine longer routes. Only post michigan did mccall finally grasp the idea that he must shorten routes and 3 step drops.
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What you say is calling longer routes is, to my eye, receivers not knowing to cut a route short when blitz packages are being used. I started watching the receivers mid-season, and if you focus on them, it is apparent they are not looking back for the ball, not running crisp routes, they were getting almost no separation and there is little to no situational modification at all. So the problem may not actually start with the protection, it may start with the targets. If you have a minimum protection package and an empty backfield, as we often do, and a blitz is called, a receiving target should be open somewhere. I've heard others, much more knowledgeable than me, say the same thing.
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What you say is calling longer routes is, to my eye, receivers not knowing to cut a route short when blitz packages are being used. I started watching the receivers mid-season, and if you focus on them, it is apparent they are not looking back for the ball, not running crisp routes, they were getting almost no separation and there is little to no situational modification at all. So the problem may not actually start with the protection, it may start with the targets. If you have a minimum protection package and an empty backfield, as we often do, and a blitz is called, a receiving target should be open somewhere. I've heard others, much more knowledgeable than me, say the same thing.
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Brother, you may be right. That certainly could explain some of this stuff.
Brother, you may be right. That certainly could explain some of this stuff.
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Thats not exactly right. It was a purple coated cup cake and soft serve ice cream.
Thats not exactly right. It was a purple coated cup cake and soft serve ice cream.
Did anyone mention here that he set a B1G record the next WEEK?
for rushing yards for a QB? (since broken) That was one of the most pleasant surprises I've ever had from the Cats - we all saw him have an inauspicous beginning at home against the lowly hoosiers, then the following week he ran absolutely WILD. Great great game.
for rushing yards for a QB? (since broken) That was one of the most pleasant surprises I've ever had from the Cats - we all saw him have an inauspicous beginning at home against the lowly hoosiers, then the following week he ran absolutely WILD. Great great game.
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You've questioned his ability to do his job. You've come after his integrity concerning the practice facility and frankly called him a liar. You've furthered done this by discussing Fitz's loyalty as if he's harming the university because he has friends. You've even said Fitz is doing drugs. That's crossing many lines. What's worse is that you do it on an internet platform where any defense Fitz provides and any acknowledgement of it's existence makes him look bad. You cross lines because you enjoy it, but you hurt the program in the process. Why don't you start talking about the positives? You'll be a happier person. Instead, you go on the internet and talk trash about people like you're a 15 year old girl that saw a classmate flirting with her boyfriend. And just like that 15 year old, you make up nothing but lies.
Why is Turk allowed to post? The board has rules, which Turk breaks on an hourly basis. Free speech doesn't apply and it's time for some censorship before Tim Beckman gets to send a recruit link saying "Northwestern isn't going to get a practice facility. Look their fans know it's true" with a link to Turk and xBobx and whoever else's drivel.
This post was edited on 3/6 7:20 PM by realcatfan
We live in 2015. We have many methods of communication. You can try the telephone during work hours. If he's busy, you could leave a voicemail. How about emailing p-fitzgerald@northwestern.edu ? You could facebook message him. If you can get it down to 140 characters, you could tweet him. Maybe kick it old school and send a letter. If it's certified mail, he's obligated to read it. Then he'll look at it and say, "who the hell is Turk and why does he pretend to be a fan." Then he'll throw it out and move on with his life.
You've questioned his ability to do his job. You've come after his integrity concerning the practice facility and frankly called him a liar. You've furthered done this by discussing Fitz's loyalty as if he's harming the university because he has friends. You've even said Fitz is doing drugs. That's crossing many lines. What's worse is that you do it on an internet platform where any defense Fitz provides and any acknowledgement of it's existence makes him look bad. You cross lines because you enjoy it, but you hurt the program in the process. Why don't you start talking about the positives? You'll be a happier person. Instead, you go on the internet and talk trash about people like you're a 15 year old girl that saw a classmate flirting with her boyfriend. And just like that 15 year old, you make up nothing but lies.
Why is Turk allowed to post? The board has rules, which Turk breaks on an hourly basis. Free speech doesn't apply and it's time for some censorship before Tim Beckman gets to send a recruit link saying "Northwestern isn't going to get a practice facility. Look their fans know it's true" with a link to Turk and xBobx and whoever else's drivel.
This post was edited on 3/6 7:20 PM by realcatfan
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In the interim, here's what I was able to dig up regarding sacks going back to 2000 versus primary QB rating. In Persa's case in 2009, we gave up a lot of sacks, but his QB rating was also very high. How many of the sacks were because he was trying to use his legs to keep the play alive because he was one of the best ever throwing while on the run? I think that question would need to be asked. The one conclusion we can come at looking at these numbers, I believe, is that (for whatever reason) Baz didn't get sacked a lot.
2014: 35 (106, Siemian)
2013: 35 (126, Siemian, 148 Colter)
2012: 16 (116, Siemian, 129 Colter)
2011: 42 (155, Persa)
2010: 40 (159, Persa)
2009: 31 (129, Kafka)
2008: 20 (117, Bacher)
2007: 32 (125, Bacher)
2006: 26 (123, Bacher)
2005: 11 (135, Basanez)
2004: 12 (110, Basanez)
2003: 23 (103, Basanez)
2002: 13 (118, Basanez)
2001: 17 (124, Kustok)
2000: 30 (130, Kustok)
I'd like to see the numbers on number of sacks versus positive yardage scrambles over history. That would tell a lot. But you are right about getting sacked a lot - not sure how that comes into play (read on .)
In the interim, here's what I was able to dig up regarding sacks going back to 2000 versus primary QB rating. In Persa's case in 2009, we gave up a lot of sacks, but his QB rating was also very high. How many of the sacks were because he was trying to use his legs to keep the play alive because he was one of the best ever throwing while on the run? I think that question would need to be asked. The one conclusion we can come at looking at these numbers, I believe, is that (for whatever reason) Baz didn't get sacked a lot.
2014: 35 (106, Siemian)
2013: 35 (126, Siemian, 148 Colter)
2012: 16 (116, Siemian, 129 Colter)
2011: 42 (155, Persa)
2010: 40 (159, Persa)
2009: 31 (129, Kafka)
2008: 20 (117, Bacher)
2007: 32 (125, Bacher)
2006: 26 (123, Bacher)
2005: 11 (135, Basanez)
2004: 12 (110, Basanez)
2003: 23 (103, Basanez)
2002: 13 (118, Basanez)
2001: 17 (124, Kustok)
2000: 30 (130, Kustok)
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