BTW, Soltau, Parker and Maley are three of the first seven Carmody recruits (VV, Davor, Hachad and Seacat) in two classes. Not a peep.
3 of 8. Tolic was in the same class as Parker, Maley, Seacat, and Hachad.
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BTW, Soltau, Parker and Maley are three of the first seven Carmody recruits (VV, Davor, Hachad and Seacat) in two classes. Not a peep.
3 of 8. Tolic was in the same class as Parker, Maley, Seacat, and Hachad.
yet BC was allowed to hang on for 13 years.
agree.
hypothetical though (seriously - no info on this - looking for perspective) say a kid decides to leave. tells his teammates and coaches he wants out. explores his options and realizes there are no options up to his standards. then he has decision remorse and wants to come back. do you take him back with open arms? are you excited for that player in your program in which you are trying to build a winning culture? if the player not deemed a fit - at that point what do you do?
How do you feel about BB or FB player employees of the university?
I'm actually quite excited to see the young kids get all the minutes next year. Sure we will take our lumps, but I think it will make us a better team in 2-3 years. Ash, Benson and injured Falzon did nothing for me. We won't miss them.
OK, so it's just your wild-assed guess based on no solid information.55 years as an NU alum and watching how they operate?
Isn’t shooting and driving to the basket the definition of what a wing does on O?If this continues, the staff is going to have to reconsider the type of recruits that they go after (like I have stated, too many wings who aren't particularly good at shooting or driving to the basket).
Thanks. FWIW, I believe MT-1 left because he had a heart condition. Hard to blame that on the coaching staff.A reasonable question.
And let me clarify that I'm not trying to start Collins-Carmody comparison. Collins stands on his own at this point. I'm just shooting for a little consistency in our evaluation.
We'll ignore the KO recruits who transferred. It happens with every transition.
Soltau
Parker
Maley
In the gotcha discussion of 2019, people would add Brandon Lee to the list, but we know he doesn't count.
Mike Thompson
Cote
Gary Lee
Melchoir
Coble
Baran
Rowley
BTW, Soltau, Parker and Maley are three of the first seven Carmody recruits (VV, Davor, Hachad and Seacat) in two classes. Not a peep.
Because that worked so well last time.
I think they are just theorizing, it doesn't seem like they have any inside knowledge
Its nothing like this at all. I remember that because that was my class at NU. Those guys were all young, exciting players with lots of potential (including a future NBA'er) who left after one season. The guys today are all low level reserves who aren't really BIG level players and also have got their NU degree already. Not even remotely close.I also posted a couple weeks back before the transfers hit, how much this team reminded me of the Bill Foster transfer exodus, which saw Walters, Holmes, Nixon and Pedersen leave the program. I hope Dr. Phillips steps in and rights the ship soon.
If Nance and Kopp were to leave, then it would be a player revolt.Again, I think you are missing the point with this argument. When you look at the sum total of the transfers rather than individually, one can only conclude that this goes well beyond issues of playing time or the quality of player development. This can only be construed as a player revolt. They are voting with their feet.
That sounds like a challenge!I don’t use the ignore feature.
My bad. Kenilworth is correct. He is one street over from Winnetka. He lives behind a close friend of mine in Winnetka.Kenilworth
At least wrassler wont be posting about Ash anymore! LOLI'm actually quite excited to see the young kids get all the minutes next year. Sure we will take our lumps, but I think it will make us a better team in 2-3 years. Ash, Benson and injured Falzon did nothing for me. We won't miss them.
I'm actually quite excited to see the young kids get all the minutes next year. Sure we will take our lumps, but I think it will make us a better team in 2-3 years. Ash, Benson and injured Falzon did nothing for me. We won't miss them.
I don't totally disagree with you. My point is this has a similar vibe. Walters played two years at NU. His first year was nondescript. His Sophomore year was his breakout year. He then sat out before his two years at Kansas. His NBA career, though long was below average. Holmes had a mediocre career at Rice. Pedersen was rock solid at St. Louis and Nixon was fairly good at BYU. Our three guys here that have left, came in with some promise, but due to injury, development etc. didn't blossom. Add Rap to the equation and that's four guys who you state, "aren't B1G level players". Well then why the heck were they recruited to a B1G program and why were most of us excited about them when they inked their LOI???Its nothing like this at all. I remember that because that was my class at NU. Those guys were all young, exciting players with lots of potential (including a future NBA'er) who left after one season. The guys today are all low level reserves who aren't really BIG level players and also have got their NU degree already. Not even remotely close.
That block of that particular street is Winnetka on both sides. It becomes Kenilworth slightly to the east.Kenilworth
The bummer is that three of these current guys were 4-star recruits. It seemed like they'd be BIG level guys, but for various reasons, it didn't pan out.I don't totally disagree with you. My point is this has a similar vibe. Walters played two years at NU. His first year was nondescript. His Sophomore year was his breakout year. He then sat out before his two years at Kansas. His NBA career, though long was below average. Holmes had a mediocre career at Rice. Pedersen was rock solid at St. Louis and Nixon was fairly good at BYU. Our three guys here that have left, came in with some promise, but due to injury, development etc. didn't blossom. Add Rap to the equation and that's four guys who you state, "aren't B1G level players". Well then why the heck were they recruited to a B1G program and why were most of us excited about them when they inked their LOI???
I hope NU schedules SIU next year then......Ash and Benson may be Salukis before you know it
I hope NU schedules SIU next year then......
Ash a 4*?The bummer is that three of these current guys were 4-star recruits. It seemed like they'd be BIG level guys, but for various reasons, it didn't pan out.
247 has ranked them the 5th,10th,11th and 19th highest NU recruits since circa 2000.The bummer is that three of these current guys were 4-star recruits. It seemed like they'd be BIG level guys, but for various reasons, it didn't pan out.
247 has ranked them the 5th,10th,11th and 19th highest NU recruits since circa 2000.
But he was no longer a student athlete. And didn't he say that he was transferring? It was bad all around. But to your point, CCC does deserve some for that. However, it was his first recruiting class, he had a lot of spots to fill, he was trying to catch some lightning in a bottle with Vassar and it did not work out so I will cut him some slack on it. But I will take the rest of that class. I am more ready to hold him accountable for Brown as it was a couple years later and he had already had the Vassar situation.You could be right about Lathon but we just don’t know. Could Collins have avoided the whole situation or cut the cord earlier? Not sure.
I am less inclined to give Collins the benefit of the doubt on Vassar. For the very reasons you mentioned and the fact that he wasn’t a very good player, Collins should had never recruited him. What I found most upsetting was the reported handling of the player after it was determined the player was not a fit. Colllins tried to make life difficult on the kid to force him to transfer rather than let him stay in school. That is unacceptable from my perspective. I don’t want student athletes to be treated that way at NU.
We were including Rap in this conversation. He was a 4 star I thought.Ash a 4*?
But he was no longer a student athlete. And didn't he say that he was transferring? It was bad all around. But to your point, CCC does deserve some for that. However, it was his first recruiting class, he had a lot of spots to fill, he was trying to catch some lightning in a bottle with Vassar and it did not work out so I will cut him some slack on it. But I will take the rest of that class. I am more ready to hold him accountable for Brown as it was a couple years later and he had already had the Vassar situation.
The fact that Vassar initially said he intended to transfer is irrelevant. The kid changed his mind and in my view the University has the responsibility to honor his scholarship for the full four year period.
That seems like an especially long delay in taking action. Had heard that it was on a recruiting trip. Did he visit more than once and could it have been on a different trip? Whole thing just seems odd.the papers saw he visited in january and dimissed at the end of may
from a math standpoint that seems like 4.5 months after the visit - so it took 4.5 months to make a decision - at which point recruiting is over
But should the scholarship be an athletic scholarship if no longer an athlete counting against the total? One thing to convert it as in a medical retirement but in this case it was not converted?It's not just your view. Big Ten basketball scholarships are four-year guarantees.
When you were getting laid???Then the kid had too much freedom on the visit, or the visit wasn’t properly structured, or the kid shouldn’t have been recruited.
I had a few revenue sport based officials in H.S. including one to USC. I got laid more than a couple times and drank on most of them. And I have heard stories of more and better officials than mine. If Lathon got in trouble on a visit and no other existing athlete got in trouble then there was a problem.
I was always ‘in the company’ of a coach or athlete.
That seems like an especially long delay in taking action. Had heard that it was on a recruiting trip. Did he visit more than once and could it have been on a different trip? Whole thing just seems odd.
Not even for IGNORE??I don’t use the ignore feature.
Not even for IGNORE??
For Falzon and Ash that is definitely true. Less sure about Benson. Unless he sees things in practice where Young is significantly ahead of him and the threat that Jones/Nash were also putting him in the rear view mirror. If so it also would make senseYou have 3 players all with their degrees who have one year of eligibility left. None of them have contributed much for a variety of reasons. And none of them project to be prime time players next year. In other words, they all find themselves in the same boat at the same time. On a team that must turn to rebuild mode by going young. I too am concerned. But the timing can be explained by the common “got my degree” and “last chance to play” factors .... knowing the latter isn’t going to happen here.
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But that would indicate the leader this years team neededI don’t but when u are recruiting a player you are not his babysitter. I do know what he did but unless he coordinated a Louisville scenario which likely would involve several players it seems highly improbable
That seems like an especially long delay in taking action. Had heard that it was on a recruiting trip. Did he visit more than once and could it have been on a different trip? Whole thing just seems odd.
Should he be on athletic scholarship at that point or should it be changed to some other form?I don't take him back on the team but I let him finish school, without any repercussions, if that is what he wants to do.