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Uh, no their not.PLUS they are on Central time.
FSU is in Eastern Time ZoneSurprisingly FSU meets the academic and health care system requirements. PLUS they are on Central time.
Surprisingly FSU meets the academic and health care system requirements. PLUS they are on Central time.
Dr. Jim has a mutiny on his hands......
Mr. Warren came in, pantsed Dr. Jim, and left.Dr. Jim has a mutiny on his hands......
Mr. Warren came in holding every card he could hope for. Hard to play that hand badly when you have all the leverage in TV negotiations and great schools begging to join your conference.Mr. Warren came in, pantsed Dr. Jim, and left.
Tallahassee’s Big Ten Team!
Won't happen, but I would take him back in a New York minute....Mr. Warren came in holding every card he could hope for. Hard to play that hand badly when you have all the leverage in TV negotiations and great schools begging to join your conference.
Mr. Phillips made a big mistake taking the no win - bad hand ACC job where schools would love to find a way to leave the conference.
Had he stayed at NU for a while, would Phillips likely be driving the BIG Ten pole position in the college football arms/$$$ race?
GOUNUII
Who’s to say?Mr. Warren came in holding every card he could hope for. Hard to play that hand badly when you have all the leverage in TV negotiations and great schools begging to join your conference.
Mr. Phillips made a big mistake taking the no win - bad hand ACC job where schools would love to find a way to leave the conference.
Had he stayed at NU for a while, would Phillips likely be driving the BIG Ten pole position in the college football arms/$$$ race?
GOUNUII
The articles I've read indicate that FSU is pressuring the ACC to move to a model of unequal revenue sharing in order to better compensate certain schools. I hope that never happens in the Big Ten. In fact, I hope it is never even suggested for the Big Ten. I think that policy ultimately destroys a conference.
FSU has a medical school.Health care system requirements? Do tell. They don’t have a medical school or any type of healthcare system that I know of. Are you thinking UF and their prestigious Shands system??
FSU has a medical school.
FSU, Stanford, ND, Cal, Washington and Oregon
no.Would be a little weird to have FSU on a geographic island, but at least we have plenty of eastern time zone teams.
Had previously heard that Washington, Oregon, and Stanford were all ready to go, essentially waiting on ND to make a decision. If ND were to jump on board, the question would then be which PAC-12 school took the fifth spot — would Cal join Stanford and UCLA? Oregon State join Oregon? To a much lesser extent, would Washington State join Washington (B1G coaches/directors not thrilled about that because it’s a pain in the ass to get to Pullman)?
It got to the point where the state legislatures of California and Oregon were considering proposals that would effectively tie in-state P5 football programs to one another, but haven’t tracked closely since then.
no.
I'm hearing that OSU and WSU are non-starters.
Weird, yes. But the footprint would span almost all of the US: from NJ to FLA through the midwest to LA. All they need is Washington to encircle the entire continental US.Would be a little weird to have FSU on a geographic island, but at least we have plenty of eastern time zone teams.
All of this, of course, depends upon Notre Dame. But now it isn't just the B1G applying the pressure
People should listen to the Andy Staples podcast where he got a copy of the Big 12 GOR agreement. It’s not a lengthy document (I think 3 pages) which means it’s not terribly complicated. I’ll summarize the discussion. No one is getting out of a GOR agreement without writing a sizable check (hundreds of millions). FSU (and Clemson, UNC) are screwed.The next big domino is teetering….
There are questions as to the enforceability of the ACC’s provisions, which would likely result in a settlement far less than the potential exposure discussed. The term of the ACC contract is a major issuePeople should listen to the Andy Staples podcast where he got a copy of the Big 12 GOR agreement. It’s not a lengthy document (I think 3 pages) which means it’s not terribly complicated. I’ll summarize the discussion. No one is getting out of a GOR agreement without writing a sizable check (hundreds of millions). FSU (and Clemson, UNC) are screwed.
So you didn’t listen to the podcast. There is a reason a GOR has never been challenged. Because it can’t be brokenThere are questions as to the enforceability of the ACC’s provisions, which would likely result in a settlement far less than the potential exposure discussed. The term of the ACC contract is a major issue
Clemson’s discussions with the SEC, for example, impact the validity of the contract with others. There also is an issue associated with the changed circumstances associated with NCAA governance
Relevant issues at play:No disagreement from me or what I’ve heard. Some consternation that Cal might not be a great cultural fit for the B1G (basically a bunch of hippie weirdos), but that that might just be the cost of doing business if it got Washington/Oregon/Stanford/Notre Dame on board.
YetSo you didn’t listen to the podcast. There is a reason a GOR has never been challenged. Because it can’t be broken
Cal might have a bunch of hippie weirdos, but they also have one of the most elite engineering schools anywhere (ranked higher than any Big Ten engineering school in the US News rankings). They are a major research institution and the flagship of the most populous state in the USA. It seems they tick all the B1G checkboxes.No disagreement from me or what I’ve heard. Some consternation that Cal might not be a great cultural fit for the B1G (basically a bunch of hippie weirdos), but that that might just be the cost of doing business if it got Washington/Oregon/Stanford/Notre Dame on board.
But 17 is such an odd number (but at least it's prime).Relevant issues at play:
1. Notre Dame would not join the B1G without Stanford joining. Stanford will not join without Cal. But Notre Dame would likely join a conference with both Stanford and USC (and Michigan/MSU - interesting that Northwestern has been also discussed as a school with significant history with Notre Dame)
Good grief dude. It’s not happening. And I do t see a scenario where BC, Syracuse etc agree to unequal revenue sharing. FSU agreed to the GOR and now have to live with it. All to get a conference network.
So leaving what I may or may not know aside for the moment, let’s look at this logically from media sources that are widely reporting on FSU’s imminent desire to explore all other options.Good grief dude. It’s not happening. And I do t see a scenario where BC, Syracuse etc agree to unequal revenue sharing. FSU agreed to the GOR and now have to live with it. All to get a conference network.
You are way off. The $120mm is just the exit fee (what Maryland had to pay to leave ACC). That does not include media rights. What are 12 years worth of media rights? Ball park is $350mm. Add I. $120mm exit fee and you are approaching half a billion dollars.So leaving what I may or may not know aside for the moment, let’s look at this logically from media sources that are widely reporting on FSU’s imminent desire to explore all other options.
For example:
https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...ce-conference-powers-potentially-leaving/amp/
https://www.on3.com/college/florida...athletic-director-michael-alford-sec-big-ten/
https://www.tampabay.com/sports/sem...all-florida-state-acc-conference-realignment/
The B1G is set to pay out its schools north of $90MM per year. The ACC will pay its schools $36.1MM per year. Let’s call it a ballpark $50MM difference.
Assume (very incorrectly, I might add) that FSU somehow ends up on the hook for a full $120MM buyout (in reality, the expected buyout is in the $60-$70MM range), that is literally three years worth of merely the delta in revenues added from joining the B1G for FSU’s athletic programs to function at STATUS QUO… while still making what it makes in the ACC on top of that.
If Northwestern can leverage this cash flow to finance a ridiculously awesome new basketball arena and potentially a new stadium while making peanuts from apparel & ticket sales, FSU will make out just fine even with the buyout.
FSU will finance the difference over 5 years and come out cash flow positive over status quo from second one, paying a $65MM settlement to the ACC after $5MM in legal fees (generously). This will be spread out over a much longer period than the time it would take to break even if they wanted to pay the payout back with just the difference above and beyond their current payout. There is zero question of whether the payout makes economic sense - even if FSU were subject to the full buyout fee (and it won’t be).
There has never been a genius in the business of college sports more profound than Jim Delaney.
Ok - so presuming that the ACC would want to spend the millions to defend at best an uncertain/losing case on the grant of rights…You are way off. The $120mm is just the exit fee (what Maryland had to pay to leave ACC). That does not include media rights. What are 12 years worth of media rights? Ball park is $350mm. Add I. $120mm exit fee and you are approaching half a billion dollars.
And even if by some miracle FSU could pay it, the ACC could still say no thanks.
Haven’t we gone through thisSo leaving what I may or may not know aside for the moment, let’s look at this logically from media sources that are widely reporting on FSU’s imminent desire to explore all other options.
I would be willing to bet a lot of money that if (and I don’t think it’s even a remote possibility) Fsu paid to get out of the GOR, it would be multiples higher. Once again, you are making stuff up.Ok - so presuming that the ACC would want to spend the millions to defend at best an uncertain/losing case on the grant of rights…
(For something to be a contract, it must have three components: an offer, an acceptance and consideration. If I walk into a store and buy a pack of gum, my receipt is a valid contract. The store has offered me gum at a specific price. I have accepted those terms. I have given the store that amount of money, and the store has given me the pack of gum.
In the grant of rights, the school has given the conference something of value — its media rights. But what has the conference given the school? It’s not the money for those media rights. That comes from one or several networks based on the terms of the conference’s deal with the network(s). The school’s attorneys could argue that an entirely separate contract covers that consideration.
Meanwhile, the attorneys for the conference and the remaining schools could argue that the consideration the school received was stability in an unstable time. via the Athletic)
…FSU would have immense value to the B1G (and vice versa) even in the impossible scenario of the ACC owning FSU’s media rights while FSU competes in the B1G.
While the ACC would have a limited right to FSU home games for a limited period of time, this would still open the Florida market to the B1G network for FSU’s away games. (Keep in mind the snowbirds that would want BTN access to their teams back home anyway). The difference in value to the B1G in the limited term would be mitigated. The value is in the Florida market, not necessarily the media rights 7-8 FSU home games that the ACC would weirdly have rights to.
In any case, this scenario isn’t happening. The enforceability of the grant of rights in such scenario (particularly given the brevity of the contract) is - in the very best light from the perspective of the ACC - questionable. The Florida legislature would also get involved, fueling the uncertainty.
FSU’s departure gets settled with the ACC for $60-$70MM.