Yeah OL and running game will have to be big next year.
Also, hopefully Robinson is back to full speed next year giving him another big target.
Slight correction... Robinson is definitely not a “big target.” He’s probably 5-11 on a good day.
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Yeah OL and running game will have to be big next year.
Also, hopefully Robinson is back to full speed next year giving him another big target.
The key is our OL improving enough that he can play HIS gameThe knock on Ryan is that he's not that mobile. Are we talking like compared to Kolter or Persa? He seems to be more like a ultra-more-talented Siemian?? Either way, I think he will excel for us
Isn't Robinson more of a little target?Yeah OL and running game will have to be big next year.
Also, hopefully Robinson is back to full speed next year giving him another big target.
Agree, although it is rare that our line is that good or receivers get open that quicklyFrankly, I'd rather have a QB who can throw it around a bit, than a mobile QB who can't pass. I'm hopeful that the OL will be improved and will give him (or whoever the starter is) time to throw.
Slight correction... Robinson is definitely not a “big target.” He’s probably 5-11 on a good day.
Look, Anderson is getting his guys in place and developing them We have higher rated recuits at these positions than ever before. I would expect to see improvements so that a more pro style O is possible (though running QBs have become more prevalent recently. While I feel it is necessary for QBs to run on occasion, I want to see my QB survive and that is not best served by having them run all the timeAgree, although it is rare that our line is that good or receivers get open that quickly
Being a statue is limiting. You might call it the Statue of Limitations
I mostly just wanted to say Statue of LimitationsLook, Anderson is getting his guys in place and developing them We have higher rated recuits at these positions than ever before. I would expect to see improvements so that a more pro style O is possible (though running QBs have become more prevalent recently. While I feel it is necessary for QBs to run on occasion, I want to see my QB survive and that is not best served by having them run all the time
I think I agree with corbi that Siemian was probably a bit more mobile. Depends on how you measure; he's never going to be able to run downhill, but extending plays in the pocket is important and there was times Siemian had to do that. Not sure Ryan can do it to that extent.Yep. The best "big target" would be Genson Hooper-Price, though I liked what I saw from Wayne Dennis in the Citrus Bowl, too.
I'm also curious about Hilinski's lack of mobility. I had thought he at least had some wiggle to him. It makes me wonder if Hunter could get some run next year as a change-of-pace "mobile threat" QB... he was a state track champion, after all.
I think that if anything about coach Jake is obvious, it is that he molds and evolves his offenses around the talent and players that his teams possess. I anticipate if Ryan does wind up starting for us the next 3 years, we might have a talent in Ryan like Carson Palmer. I hope that Ryan is that good. The opus on coach jake and Fitz now is to design their team now around the personnel that they put on the field. I think we are going to be really good- possibly even better than our 2020 version of a football team that we had. The win-loss ratio might also depend on how well our new dc can keep our defense elite. Hope I am right.I think I agree with corbi that Siemian was probably a bit more mobile. Depends on how you measure; he's never going to be able to run downhill, but extending plays in the pocket is important and there was times Siemian had to do that. Not sure Ryan can do it to that extent.
We do have a potential bell cow RB in Porter, and if that's the case, it really does make it possible for Ryan to play the part of a traditional pocket passer where we asked Ramsey for quite a bit more on the ground.
I'm pretty optimistic we can make a pocket passer work given the pieces we have and how the OL has looked this year. I suppose it probably would be a bit of a shift though for Bajakian given the emphasis he played on the running game at BC and having QBs who can run.
But Hilinski is a big get either way, and Bajakian will have to make it work if he's the starter.
I think that if anything about coach Jake is obvious, it is that he molds and evolves his offenses around the talent and players that his teams possess. I anticipate if Ryan does wind up starting for us the next 3 years, we might have a talent in Ryan like Carson Palmer. I hope that Ryan is that good. The opus on coach jake and Fitz now is to design their team now around the personnel that they put on the field. I think we are going to be really good- possibly even better than our 2020 version of a football team that we had. The win-loss ratio might also depend on how well our new dc can keep our defense elite. Hope I am right.
Yeah, that was one of the main things that Fitz cited about Bajakian when he was hired; he's been a part of a bunch of different offenses based on what personnel are available.I think that if anything about coach Jake is obvious, it is that he molds and evolves his offenses around the talent and players that his teams possess. I anticipate if Ryan does wind up starting for us the next 3 years, we might have a talent in Ryan like Carson Palmer. I hope that Ryan is that good. The opus on coach jake and Fitz now is to design their team now around the personnel that they put on the field. I think we are going to be really good- possibly even better than our 2020 version of a football team that we had. The win-loss ratio might also depend on how well our new dc can keep our defense elite. Hope I am right.
Well Ryan has at least three more years to increase his mobility.I think I agree with corbi that Siemian was probably a bit more mobile. Depends on how you measure; he's never going to be able to run downhill, but extending plays in the pocket is important and there was times Siemian had to do that. Not sure Ryan can do it to that extent.
We do have a potential bell cow RB in Porter, and if that's the case, it really does make it possible for Ryan to play the part of a traditional pocket passer where we asked Ramsey for quite a bit more on the ground.
I'm pretty optimistic we can make a pocket passer work given the pieces we have and how the OL has looked this year. I suppose it probably would be a bit of a shift though for Bajakian given the emphasis he played on the running game at BC and having QBs who can run.
But Hilinski is a big get either way, and Bajakian will have to make it work if he's the starter.
Yeah, he doesn't have to get to the level of being able to read pash rushes instinctively like a true dual-threat QB, but if he can learn to extend plays, he can do great things for us. He already at least looked like he had the basic tools for a pocket passer in 2019.Well Ryan has at least three more years to increase his mobility.
Wondering if he’s had a previous knee injury. The photo of him in a wildcat uniform has a brace on his left knee I wonder if that’s part of his immobility
They really are into their football down there.Hilinski to Northwestern.
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Hunter will surprise folks. He's got all the tools to be an All Big Ten QB and NFL Player!Big get; obviously things didn't work out between him and the OC there (who brought his own transfer QB in) this past year, so it's understandable that he wanted out. Looked good in the games he played in 2019.
Honor roll student as well at South Carolina, so obviously seemed like he cared about academics.
3 years of eligibility is really nice too.
Torn meniscus in 2019. Not a big deal.
South Carolina QB Hilinski to have knee surgery
South Carolina starting quarterback Ryan Hilinski will have surgery to repair a torn meniscus in his left knee and is expected to be fully healthy when the Gamecocks start offseason workouts next month.www.espn.com
They really are into their football down there.
The more the fans are different, the more they are the same. I hope they don't visit here and read ECat's take on O'Neil.This was indeed quite the thread.
I’ve noticed that QBs tend to become less mobile over time.Well Ryan has at least three more years to increase his mobility.
Super impressed that they knew about his maybe competition with HJ. They also said lots of nice things about NU. Makes me want to add them to the list of teams “if not playing Nu...root for them.”They really are into their football down there.
I suppose you got your MD too while you were pushing papers for Fitz.Really not a big deal.
Well Ryan has at least three more years to increase his mobility.
Super impressed that they knew about his maybe competition with HJ. They also said lots of nice things about NU. Makes me want to add them to the list of teams “if not playing Nu...root for them.”
I suppose you got your MD too while you were pushing papers for Fitz.
Most likely that NU's QB will be running for his life the first half dozen games or so given so many newcomers on the OL. That's what history tells us anyway. My bet is that Marty or HJ will get their number called because of that. I see the Hillinski transfer as less about a saviour for next year and more about late season development next year and following years.
Well, that was just against Alabama and Georgia and the like. Just wait until he faces Illinois......Did you see the numbers Hilinski put up his freshman year at South Carolina?
What makes you think that Hunter will start?Congratulations. Hunter will start next season though
He threw 400 passes as a frosh and did quite well. He is clearly the best QB in the room today, if only by default.Most likely that NU's QB will be running for his life the first half dozen games or so given so many newcomers on the OL. That's what history tells us anyway. My bet is that Marty or HJ will get their number called because of that. I see the Hillinski transfer as less about a saviour for next year and more about late season development next year and following years.
The various recruiting reports about him note Hilinski is a quick study that can learn a complex offense easily; if he picks up the playbook fast as one would expect, there's no reason he wouldn't start if he's the best option to win now and in the future.Most likely that NU's QB will be running for his life the first half dozen games or so given so many newcomers on the OL. That's what history tells us anyway. My bet is that Marty or HJ will get their number called because of that. I see the Hillinski transfer as less about a saviour for next year and more about late season development next year and following years.
I tore mine about a dozen years ago. Needed to use crutches for awhile and got some physical therapy. Things went pretty good and the surgeon agreed that there was no need to cut.Don’t need an MD to realize football players recover pretty quickly from a torn meniscus nowadays.
He threw 400 passes as a frosh and did quite well. He is clearly the best QB in the room today, if only by default.
I for one am really looking forward to watching Ryan play QB for NU. Obviously there will be open competition for the QB position, but my money is on Hilinski. From a cursory look, he has all the tools to be a star, but seemingly developed some (correctable) bad habits as a freshman playing under pressure and injured -- footwork, etc. As zeek pointed out, mastering the playbook is key to success, and one that HJ and Marty seemed to struggle with, but hopefully no longer the case. I'm kind of modeling Hilinski after CJ Bacher, but with a better arm. CJ was not the most athletic QB but he had good pocket presence, and ran the ball effectively when he saw an open lane. Could Hilinski have busted the TD run that Peyton Ramsey made to seal the Citrus Bowl? Maybe not, but who knows?The various recruiting reports about him note Hilinski is a quick study that can learn a complex offense easily; if he picks up the playbook fast as one would expect, there's no reason he wouldn't start if he's the best option to win now and in the future.
His 2019 season shows he can clearly play at this level; he just had an obvious rift with their OC this past year due to circumstances outside of his control.
I for one am really looking forward to watching Ryan play QB for NU. Obviously there will be open competition for the QB position, but my money is on Hilinski. From a cursory look, he has all the tools to be a star, but seemingly developed some (correctable) bad habits as a freshman playing under pressure and injured -- footwork, etc. As zeek pointed out, mastering the playbook is key to success, and one that HJ and Marty seemed to struggle with, but hopefully no longer the case. I'm kind of modeling Hilinski after CJ Bacher, but with a better arm. CJ was not the most athletic QB but he had good pocket presence, and ran the ball effectively when he saw an open lane. Could Hilinski have busted the TD run that Peyton Ramsey made to seal the Citrus Bowl? Maybe not, but who knows?
Even Trevor Siemien made some plays with his feet using his "4.4 speed".That run by Ramsey is a good one for providing a gauge on how mobile today's quarterbacks need to be. Ramsey was faster than he looked (How about that for an analysis?), but if I was picking QB's, that would be the minimum level of athleticism I would be looking for, particularly with an inexperienced OL. Now having the presence to move around the pocket and the judgement to know when to scoot, those are different abilities.
Even Trevor Siemien made some plays with his feet using his "4.4 speed".