C'mon man, I specifically addressed that in the part of my post that you edited out. There were claims of abuse long before divorce proceedings started.
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You have a point.
I don't know what had come over me, to staunch my Buck hating ways. It must be the summer heat.
Please carry on.
In 2009 there was a marital fight that was not abuse by Courtney Smith’s own words. Watch her interview.
She accused him of picking her up by her shirt after she woke him up and chased/pushed him out of the bedroom at 4:00. Her story is essentially identical to his story. He did not physically assault her based on the story of both of them. Watch the interviews of both and listen to what they (both) claimed actually happened.
This is terrible marriage stuff, but it does not sound like a man physically assaulting anyone.
An enraged pregnant woman (angry from giving husband’s coworker a ride home at 3:00 AM) wakes the man from sleep screaming at him and physically trying to remove him from his bed. While being physically attacked by his wife, the man lifts raging (pregnant) woman up by her shirt to extricate himself from an aggressive confrontation he did not initiate. Perhaps the woman slams into the wall as an inevitable side effect of bodies in motion...
The woman, being pregnant, tired, angry (about late night visitor), and generally upset because the next day was their 1 year wedding anniversary calls the cops.
There’s absolutely zero allegation by the woman that the man struck her although he did use his superior physical strength to mitigate (or hold at bay) a physical altercation started by the woman.
Husband and wife’s story of the event is remarkably similar. Wife woke the husband and started a physical confrontation because the husband was an insensitive Dick (coming home late with a coworker on the sofa). Husband picked up the wife to get the raging wife off him. Husband does not strike wife. Husband leaves room to let wife simmer down. Wife calls cops. The big question is how did the wife hit the wall? Slammed into it intentionally or merely a consequence of momentum caused by scrum infuriated by wife?
Both these people strike me as spazzes that should not be married to each other.
You don’t put your hands on a woman. If she is the instigator, you get up and you walk out the door.
Note to self: do not tangle with enraged pregnant women at 3 am.
I agree, but the question is what is a crime. We already etablished the guy was a scum bag.
Well, that was already obvious once the facts indicated that he was a Buckeye.
Yup, you reminded me that I need to stay on point. I hope Urban Meyer gets fired.
Yes, I fell in the same trap and found myself defending the indefensible. In this case, the end justifies the means, so let's ignore justice in this particular case and bring out the rope. If he wasn't guilty of something here, he surely was guilty of much else.
Plus firing Meyer will make the Buckeyes that much weaker. I approve.
Come on Corbi, I think you're being a bit unfair. Do you ask the rooster not to crow? Do you ask a pig not to roll in the mud?
This is a Buckeye we are talking about here.
What I typically see in any team fan board, are posters who feign bias based on issues of ethics and morality. I appreciate you being honest and admitting bias is the primary motivator.
I have no problem arguing actual football issues, and even to what extent a coach has on the actions of his staff on their own time, as well as what actions should require intervention. I don't think it's appropriate to debate what technically constitutes domestic violence and what doesn't.
I don’t know all the facts so cannot and am not arguing he is guilty of domestic violence. All I am saying is the guy is a scumbag in my book because he physically manhandled his pregnant wife. That’s never acceptable. Tells me all I need to know about Mr. Smith.
Really slippery. There are personnel policies that have to be followed and generally they do not extend outside of work. Especially when no actual charges filed. I think that the employee would have a solid case for wrongful termination. That said, if he did, he would likely be blackballed from future employment as he already might be. I have hear a rumor that she was the actual abuser so it gets really complicated
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If it could be proven, there could be a wrongful termination case. Rather than set themselves up for that they would likely offer a way out allowing the employee to leave on their own. In this case there might be a buyout.
You can add in that there are rumors out there (supposedly from inside the program) that she was the actual abuser. How much would that complicate things? As you I am not an OSU supporter but people are awfully quick at grabbing their pitchforks.
He would not have been released without charging him if she had pressed charges. So the fact that they released him without charging him means she did not press charges or there was not the evidence to back it up or a combination of both
At will basically means that the relationship can be ended by either party for any reason. That said, the employer still has to follow their own HR policies. In addition, as a state employee, civil service rules may also be part of the equation.
Good luck with that. He would have a much better case with the Dept of Labor about wrongful discharge or payment of amounts remaining on his contract. OSU could avoid all this by just buying out his contract or coming to a mutually agreed upon settlement. Then OSU could just have said he was replaced because so and so became available. Happens all the time. Actual firing is much more messy. As it is Smith's career has pretty much been trashed and will have a hard time finding future employment. And I have heard rumors that she might be the actual abuser. At this point, I do not know what the full story is.
He had a restraining order put on him in 2015. Easy ding, if that was the desire.
Usually true. I was gonna get into all that but figured it was beyond the scope of the conversation.
Employers are definitely not incentivized to be transparent in hiring, promoting and firing decisions.
Do you even think that this pregnant lady was an habitual abuser and not a former football player? Really?
You do know that many abused woman are afraid to press charges because of fear of harm to themselves and/or their children, right?
I did find it an interesting fact pattern that both the 2009 and 2015 events started with Courtney waking Zack up in the middle of the night and physical confronting him (2009 push him out of bed and 2015 to pour a chewing tobacco spitter can on him).
I always hide my Red Man spit cup from Mrs. Jack. Those things are toxic.
