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1) Coming up short against Wisconsin, a likely 4 seed as of today, without Barnhizer doesn't mean we're a bad team. Yes, we're probably somewhere between the 12th and 17th-best Big 10 team now but still a top 60-ish team in the country. We just play in an unforgiving league and came up on the wrong end of some close ones we needed to win. I'm not giving up on these guys making a run to some sort of postseason play.

2) As a Pacific NW resident/native, I'm loving the upcoming trip up this way even though they'll be late start times for most fans watching on TV. I'm happy to be able to be close enough to support the team in person, I'm driving to Seattle on Saturday and Eugene next Tuesday to attend both games.

3) There's been a lot of talk about Nicholson on another thread. EvanMiya has a metric called "Defensive Bayesian Performance Rating" (DBPR) that measures a player's total impact on defense (including how their presence on the floor increases the defensive performance of teammates). Nicholson is tied for 2nd *in the entire Big 10* in this rating with Danny Wolf, just below Morez Johnson. Looking at "on/off the floor" ratings, our defensive rating is 16.4 points better per 100 possessions with Matt on the floor than when he sits. No other player on our team is worth more than 4.6 points per 100 possessions on D, and that's KJ Windham who hasn't played much in conference games. Unsurprisingly, Matt leads our team in raw +/- and we outscored both Wisconsin and Rutgers by 7 points when Matt was on the floor. He's really important despite the lack of development in his offensive game.

4) This may be unpopular, but I don't think "making this Nick's team" is a winning approach the rest of this season. I hope Leach is at least considered option 1B moving forward as he's been playing very well. I like how Leach is able to dribble into good looks from 3 and from the elbow off of high screens, and I think those are much better looks than what Nick throws up 6 or 7 times a game. I love Nick but teams are starting to solve him a bit, and he's forcing shots that just aren't there. I like when the ball moves on offense and Nick is able to get into a move quickly after the catch. I don't like when he gets the ball at the arc and spends 11 seconds backing down a defender only to end up forcing up an off-balance leaner with 3 guys on him. Because he has this funky arsenal of moves it seems like he thinks he can improvise under pressure and it's becoming less successful. He's 18-for-53 the last 3 games, but more concerning is that he's 13-for-36 on 2-pointers. That's too many wasted possessions.

5) Gelo was horribad on Saturday, but he has to play. So does KJ. They're the future of the team. Get them minutes while still keeping the core of Martinelli/Leach/Berry/Nicholson. I used to be higher on Mullins but I'm coming back the other way. Mullins with the other 4 starters is our worst-performing lineup. Let's prioritize the freshmen and use Mullins when needed.

6) I think we'll be fine next year. The incoming class is good. We have two young guys who should take big jumps. Martinelli will be back. We'll have a wide open spot for a big man in the portal who wants to start in the Big 10. We've landed two nice guards out of mid-major programs the last two years, so hopefully we can do that again. I'm not gloomy about the future.
 
Outstanding post!

Could not agree more about time for Gelo and KJ. Gelo was really bad vs Sconnie, but he was pretty good vs Dayton, Purdue and Rutgers. He can play. Same for KJ.

I am fine with Nick dribbling into the paint, drawing a double team, and kicking it to Jalen or Berry, or even a back-cutting Matt. I just hate the forced shots.
 
1) Coming up short against Wisconsin, a likely 4 seed as of today, without Barnhizer doesn't mean we're a bad team. Yes, we're probably somewhere between the 12th and 17th-best Big 10 team now but still a top 60-ish team in the country. We just play in an unforgiving league and came up on the wrong end of some close ones we needed to win. I'm not giving up on these guys making a run to some sort of postseason play.

2) As a Pacific NW resident/native, I'm loving the upcoming trip up this way even though they'll be late start times for most fans watching on TV. I'm happy to be able to be close enough to support the team in person, I'm driving to Seattle on Saturday and Eugene next Tuesday to attend both games.

3) There's been a lot of talk about Nicholson on another thread. EvanMiya has a metric called "Defensive Bayesian Performance Rating" (DBPR) that measures a player's total impact on defense (including how their presence on the floor increases the defensive performance of teammates). Nicholson is tied for 2nd *in the entire Big 10* in this rating with Danny Wolf, just below Morez Johnson. Looking at "on/off the floor" ratings, our defensive rating is 16.4 points better per 100 possessions with Matt on the floor than when he sits. No other player on our team is worth more than 4.6 points per 100 possessions on D, and that's KJ Windham who hasn't played much in conference games. Unsurprisingly, Matt leads our team in raw +/- and we outscored both Wisconsin and Rutgers by 7 points when Matt was on the floor. He's really important despite the lack of development in his offensive game.

4) This may be unpopular, but I don't think "making this Nick's team" is a winning approach the rest of this season. I hope Leach is at least considered option 1B moving forward as he's been playing very well. I like how Leach is able to dribble into good looks from 3 and from the elbow off of high screens, and I think those are much better looks than what Nick throws up 6 or 7 times a game. I love Nick but teams are starting to solve him a bit, and he's forcing shots that just aren't there. I like when the ball moves on offense and Nick is able to get into a move quickly after the catch. I don't like when he gets the ball at the arc and spends 11 seconds backing down a defender only to end up forcing up an off-balance leaner with 3 guys on him. Because he has this funky arsenal of moves it seems like he thinks he can improvise under pressure and it's becoming less successful. He's 18-for-53 the last 3 games, but more concerning is that he's 13-for-36 on 2-pointers. That's too many wasted possessions.

5) Gelo was horribad on Saturday, but he has to play. So does KJ. They're the future of the team. Get them minutes while still keeping the core of Martinelli/Leach/Berry/Nicholson. I used to be higher on Mullins but I'm coming back the other way. Mullins with the other 4 starters is our worst-performing lineup. Let's prioritize the freshmen and use Mullins when needed.

6) I think we'll be fine next year. The incoming class is good. We have two young guys who should take big jumps. Martinelli will be back. We'll have a wide open spot for a big man in the portal who wants to start in the Big 10. We've landed two nice guards out of mid-major programs the last two years, so hopefully we can do that again. I'm not gloomy about the future.
Awesome stuff. Enjoy the west coast games.
 
5) Gelo was horribad on Saturday.
It was not his best game, but he did come up for a loose ball by diving on the floor, and a move like that will always endear him to this fan, as well as many others. He'll have better games but I admire the hustle. He'll be at least a poor man's Barnhizer by the time he's a senior.
 
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It was not his best game, but he did come up for a loose ball by diving on the floor, and a move like that will always him to this fan, as well as many others. He'll have better games but I admire the hustle. He'll be at least a poor man's Barnhizer by the time he's a senior.
You can see the skill is there. And great hops too. Just looks like the game is moving too quickly for him, which is to be expected for a freshman with limited time. He will get there.
 
One problem Collins faced before the Wisconsin game was figuring out a rotation.

Barnhizer had been on the court for maybe 90% of the minutes against the Big Ten, so there wasn't a lot to go on - with Mullins or Ciaravino replacing Barnhizer. The starting lineup of Nicholson/Martinelli/Barnhizer/Ciarvino/Leach had been playing very well as a unit
(80-54 over 41:43) but that is gone.

The best chance for us to be competitive is that Ciaravino or Windham starts making shots. Or Mullins, I suppose.

We need something respectable from Hunger or Fitzmorris - something other than an ass-kicking.

Maybe Collins will finally try Hunger at the 4. I would be so proud of him - no matter what happens.

I admit that it isn't a lot to hang your hat on.
 
4) This may be unpopular, but I don't think "making this Nick's team" is a winning approach the rest of this season. I hope Leach is at least considered option 1B moving forward as he's been playing very well. I like how Leach is able to dribble into good looks from 3 and from the elbow off of high screens, and I think those are much better looks than what Nick throws up 6 or 7 times a game. I love Nick but teams are starting to solve him a bit, and he's forcing shots that just aren't there. I like when the ball moves on offense and Nick is able to get into a move quickly after the catch. I don't like when he gets the ball at the arc and spends 11 seconds backing down a defender only to end up forcing up an off-balance leaner with 3 guys on him. Because he has this funky arsenal of moves it seems like he thinks he can improvise under pressure and it's becoming less successful. He's 18-for-53 the last 3 games, but more concerning is that he's 13-for-36 on 2-pointers. That's too many wasted possessions.

I'm good with Nick taking those 3 pointers if the opponent is in drop coverage, but I align with you in that we can't make "Nick takes tough contested drives" our primary action. Agreed that Leach can hit that 3 off the dribble; and we gotta keep working the pindown screens for Ty. Matty Nix had 10 points last game cause opponents were overplaying the perimeter and he had oop looks and pocket passes. Finally, I'm thinking Jello and Mullins are gonna be able to get points off slashes or open 3 looks.

Cats offense gonna need alot of different types of contributions to make the aggregate work alongside a defense that stays stout for all 40 minutes. It's a very tall order.
 
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You can see the skill is there. And great hops too. Just looks like the game is moving too quickly for him, which is to be expected for a freshman with limited time. He will get there.
His problem is lazy passes and horrible defense. Both can be fixed. I am not sure shooting a high % will be his thing unless he learns to finish inside. He is athletic and shows glimpse, but that same athleticism that bailed him out on the defensive end in HS gets matched in the Big,
 
Outstanding post!

Could not agree more about time for Gelo and KJ. Gelo was really bad vs Sconnie, but he was pretty good vs Dayton, Purdue and Rutgers. He can play. Same for KJ.

I am fine with Nick dribbling into the paint, drawing a double team, and kicking it to Jalen or Berry, or even a back-cutting Matt. I just hate the forced shots.
Nick has been making those wild shots all season up until the last 4 games. We don’t have any other scores inside. Zero. Luka would have trouble facing 3 defenders most plays. I like him being aggressive and shooting whenever he doesn’t have two guys draped on him.
 
1) Coming up short against Wisconsin, a likely 4 seed as of today, without Barnhizer doesn't mean we're a bad team. Yes, we're probably somewhere between the 12th and 17th-best Big 10 team now but still a top 60-ish team in the country. We just play in an unforgiving league and came up on the wrong end of some close ones we needed to win. I'm not giving up on these guys making a run to some sort of postseason play.

2) As a Pacific NW resident/native, I'm loving the upcoming trip up this way even though they'll be late start times for most fans watching on TV. I'm happy to be able to be close enough to support the team in person, I'm driving to Seattle on Saturday and Eugene next Tuesday to attend both games.

3) There's been a lot of talk about Nicholson on another thread. EvanMiya has a metric called "Defensive Bayesian Performance Rating" (DBPR) that measures a player's total impact on defense (including how their presence on the floor increases the defensive performance of teammates). Nicholson is tied for 2nd *in the entire Big 10* in this rating with Danny Wolf, just below Morez Johnson. Looking at "on/off the floor" ratings, our defensive rating is 16.4 points better per 100 possessions with Matt on the floor than when he sits. No other player on our team is worth more than 4.6 points per 100 possessions on D, and that's KJ Windham who hasn't played much in conference games. Unsurprisingly, Matt leads our team in raw +/- and we outscored both Wisconsin and Rutgers by 7 points when Matt was on the floor. He's really important despite the lack of development in his offensive game.

4) This may be unpopular, but I don't think "making this Nick's team" is a winning approach the rest of this season. I hope Leach is at least considered option 1B moving forward as he's been playing very well. I like how Leach is able to dribble into good looks from 3 and from the elbow off of high screens, and I think those are much better looks than what Nick throws up 6 or 7 times a game. I love Nick but teams are starting to solve him a bit, and he's forcing shots that just aren't there. I like when the ball moves on offense and Nick is able to get into a move quickly after the catch. I don't like when he gets the ball at the arc and spends 11 seconds backing down a defender only to end up forcing up an off-balance leaner with 3 guys on him. Because he has this funky arsenal of moves it seems like he thinks he can improvise under pressure and it's becoming less successful. He's 18-for-53 the last 3 games, but more concerning is that he's 13-for-36 on 2-pointers. That's too many wasted possessions.

5) Gelo was horribad on Saturday, but he has to play. So does KJ. They're the future of the team. Get them minutes while still keeping the core of Martinelli/Leach/Berry/Nicholson. I used to be higher on Mullins but I'm coming back the other way. Mullins with the other 4 starters is our worst-performing lineup. Let's prioritize the freshmen and use Mullins when needed.

6) I think we'll be fine next year. The incoming class is good. We have two young guys who should take big jumps. Martinelli will be back. We'll have a wide open spot for a big man in the portal who wants to start in the Big 10. We've landed two nice guards out of mid-major programs the last two years, so hopefully we can do that again. I'm not gloomy about the future.
I have never heard of this defensive rating you referenced, but Big Matt is an elite defender. It’s magnified because Luke and Fitz really struggle on that end. There are two extremes there. I would guess that if they had WAR (wins over replacement) like they do in MLB, Big Matt would lead the team.
 
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I have never heard of this defensive rating you referenced, but Big Matt is an elite defender. It’s magnified because Luke and Fitz really struggle on that end. There are two extremes there. I would guess that if they had WAR (wins over replacement) like they do in MLB, Big Matt would lead the team.
My second cousin flies a cargo prop for Air Kentucky and knows a ton about basketball. He says Matt is one of the best big man defenders he has seen.
 
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1) Coming up short against Wisconsin, a likely 4 seed as of today, without Barnhizer doesn't mean we're a bad team. Yes, we're probably somewhere between the 12th and 17th-best Big 10 team now but still a top 60-ish team in the country. We just play in an unforgiving league and came up on the wrong end of some close ones we needed to win. I'm not giving up on these guys making a run to some sort of postseason play.

2) As a Pacific NW resident/native, I'm loving the upcoming trip up this way even though they'll be late start times for most fans watching on TV. I'm happy to be able to be close enough to support the team in person, I'm driving to Seattle on Saturday and Eugene next Tuesday to attend both games.

3) There's been a lot of talk about Nicholson on another thread. EvanMiya has a metric called "Defensive Bayesian Performance Rating" (DBPR) that measures a player's total impact on defense (including how their presence on the floor increases the defensive performance of teammates). Nicholson is tied for 2nd *in the entire Big 10* in this rating with Danny Wolf, just below Morez Johnson. Looking at "on/off the floor" ratings, our defensive rating is 16.4 points better per 100 possessions with Matt on the floor than when he sits. No other player on our team is worth more than 4.6 points per 100 possessions on D, and that's KJ Windham who hasn't played much in conference games. Unsurprisingly, Matt leads our team in raw +/- and we outscored both Wisconsin and Rutgers by 7 points when Matt was on the floor. He's really important despite the lack of development in his offensive game.

4) This may be unpopular, but I don't think "making this Nick's team" is a winning approach the rest of this season. I hope Leach is at least considered option 1B moving forward as he's been playing very well. I like how Leach is able to dribble into good looks from 3 and from the elbow off of high screens, and I think those are much better looks than what Nick throws up 6 or 7 times a game. I love Nick but teams are starting to solve him a bit, and he's forcing shots that just aren't there. I like when the ball moves on offense and Nick is able to get into a move quickly after the catch. I don't like when he gets the ball at the arc and spends 11 seconds backing down a defender only to end up forcing up an off-balance leaner with 3 guys on him. Because he has this funky arsenal of moves it seems like he thinks he can improvise under pressure and it's becoming less successful. He's 18-for-53 the last 3 games, but more concerning is that he's 13-for-36 on 2-pointers. That's too many wasted possessions.

5) Gelo was horribad on Saturday, but he has to play. So does KJ. They're the future of the team. Get them minutes while still keeping the core of Martinelli/Leach/Berry/Nicholson. I used to be higher on Mullins but I'm coming back the other way. Mullins with the other 4 starters is our worst-performing lineup. Let's prioritize the freshmen and use Mullins when needed.

6) I think we'll be fine next year. The incoming class is good. We have two young guys who should take big jumps. Martinelli will be back. We'll have a wide open spot for a big man in the portal who wants to start in the Big 10. We've landed two nice guards out of mid-major programs the last two years, so hopefully we can do that again. I'm not gloomy about the future.
Great post. Pumped we will have some of our diehards with the boys on the WC trip! Also, agreed we need to run the show through Jalen (Batman) and let Nick be in the side car (Robin) going forward. Guards run college basketball.
 
His problem is lazy passes and horrible defense
You posted several opinions, I agree with most of it, but the "horrible defense" part is just wrong.
Ciaravino plays defense. In fact he's not bad at it.

His problems are that refs target him for cheap fouls because he is aggressive - and he's not hitting his shots right now.

Here's the data for Mullins and Ciaravino with the regulars...
Big Ten games only.

MinutesNUOpptNU/40Oppt/40
NicholsonMartinelliBarnhizerLeachCiaravino41.7805476.7051.78
NicholsonMartinelliBarnhizerLeachMullins19.5313963.7580.21
NicholsonMartinelliBarnhizerBerryCiaravino8.75131359.4359.43
NicholsonMartinelliBarnhizerBerryMullins6.1761638.92103.78

Head to head with Mullins and the data is telling us that Ciaravino has been the better defender when part of the veteran lineups.

As I mentioned, that could change with Barnhizer gone, but we'll have to wait and see.
 
You posted several opinions, I agree with most of it, but the "horrible defense" part is just wrong.
Ciaravino plays defense. In fact he's not bad at it.

His problems are that refs target him for cheap fouls because he is aggressive - and he's not hitting his shots right now.

Here's the data for Mullins and Ciaravino with the regulars...
Big Ten games only.

MinutesNUOpptNU/40Oppt/40
NicholsonMartinelliBarnhizerLeachCiaravino41.7805476.7051.78
NicholsonMartinelliBarnhizerLeachMullins19.5313963.7580.21
NicholsonMartinelliBarnhizerBerryCiaravino8.75131359.4359.43
NicholsonMartinelliBarnhizerBerryMullins6.1761638.92103.78

Head to head with Mullins and the data is telling us that Ciaravino has been the better defender when part of the veteran lineups.

As I mentioned, that could change with Barnhizer gone, but we'll have to wait and see.
The data you're referencing doesn't provide any insight into the individual defender's performance. It completely overlooks variables like the skill level of opposing players, game context (such as defensive substitutions or garbage time), and situational factors that can heavily influence defensive outcomes. Moreover, the sample size is so small that it's highly susceptible to runs. At this scale, it’s impossible to isolate whether another player in the lineup just happened to be playing better for a brief 3-5 minute stretch or an opponent being unstoppable while hot, which could skew the numbers. When you look at the tape, it's clear: Mullins is a significantly better defender, and the gap is substantial.
 
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The data you're referencing doesn't provide any insight into the individual defender's performance. It completely overlooks variables like the skill level of opposing players, game context (such as defensive substitutions or garbage time), and situational factors that can heavily influence defensive outcomes. Moreover, the sample size is so small that it's highly susceptible to runs. At this scale, it’s impossible to isolate whether another player in the lineup just happened to be playing better for a brief 3-5 minute stretch or an opponent being unstoppable while hot, which could skew the numbers. When you look at the tape, it's clear: Mullins is a significantly better defender, and the gap is substantial.
Thats crazy talk. Really bizarro-world.
I mean, I get it, some of you fellas think you are experts on these things, but I rely on the data and I get it right most of the time.

Face it, you're saying Collins is an idiot for benching Mullins and starting Ciaravino.
When the data and the coach see the same thing, thats convincing enough for me.
But I'm surprised Gordie thinks that Collins made a mistake.

No offense.
 
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