The former 4-star 6-11, 240-pound center shot 49% (31% from 3) in limited minutes last season while also averaging 3.5 pts and 2.3 rebounds. He joins the Wildcats after stops at USC and Cincinnati. There’s a lot of raw talent here to work with. Let’s see if the staff can actualize this potential.
ARRINTEN PAGE IS A ‘CAT!
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It would have been good to get a more proven commodity for this critical role, especially in a teams that’s fairly loaded with scoring 1-4, but the upside here is interesting if we can tap into it. More of a boom or bust situation at center than I can remember in a long time.
I feel pretty decent about this roster next year, but with everybody in this conference cr loading up on an annual basis I’m gonna need to see a review of the whole league to learn where we stack up
I feel pretty decent about this roster next year, but with everybody in this conference cr loading up on an annual basis I’m gonna need to see a review of the whole league to learn where we stack up
The more proven commodities chose not to come to NU, This guy likely has more potential than most of them but has not really gotten it all together in his time at USC and Cincinnati. Hopefully it all comes together for him this year,
I fully expect him to have more O that Nicholson (pretty hard not to) He would appear to have a lot more athleticism, But Nicholson's strength and real importance was on D. He held his position very well likely helped a lot by his 280 lbs frame. By comparison, Page tips the scales at 240 and it would seem it might be a lot harder to hold his position against the big boys at 40 lbs lighter. Hopefully he can add a few and/or his athleticism can help him overcome that lack of bulk
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Fluid athlete who can run the floor, block shots, and score around the rim. He’s shown flashes of a face-up game, ability to stretch the floor, and has the tools to be a really versatile defender. Right now, he’s still developing, he needs to get stronger, rebound more consistently, and sharpen his feel defensively, but the potential is easy to see. He’s the kind of big who could take a big leap with more minutes and a defined role. Very high upside pickup. Production leaves something to be desired. If the staff can develop him, watch out. Highest upside big in a while.
Everybody is eligible immediately, as long as they haven't played 4 seasons, under current rules.
Page is very unusual transfer for NU. We have had the stretch 5 types like Nance, bulkier 5 like Nicholson and the long 5 like Fitzmorris. Page seems move like a raw athlete which NU either doesn't get or doesn't go after. On the pessimistic side: 3rd school in 3 years makes me skeptical especially since he didn't get tick at either place. However on the optimistic side, raw athletic player (i.e. still learning basketball) take a lot longer to develop and often struggle in early years. I am really interested to see how collins changes his offensive game plan with Page. At a minimum, he should be able to rebound and should be athletic enough to run a higher pace offense.
Thanks to this new House settlement, colleges no longer need to launder money through “collectives”. They will now just pay players directly. For whatever reason, they’ve decided to call it “revenue sharing”.
It's because it's TV revenue passed through to the players. Collectives will still exist and be paying, though. It will be required to be reported now though.
At 240, he might be fairly quick on his feet and if he can shoot the three he sounds like the kind of center Collins has always wanted. That he didn't get a lot of play at two prior schools is concerning. He'll have to be a quick study on defense to get up to speed or the Cats will definitely suffer there.
You could be at three different schools in three games and still be eligible these days.
In his two seasons, Page produced consistent numbers, according to Evan Miyakawa.
Miyakawa rates players based on productivity adjusted by playing time (as opposed to aggregate stats).
He played about 500 possessions each season, or about 20% of the available minutes.
At USC as a freshman, he had a DPR (Defensive Performance Rating) of 1.46 and an OPR of -0.55.
At Cincy as a sophomore, he had a DPR (Defensive Performance Rating) of 1.98 and an OPR of -0.43.
An Average D1 player gets a zero in each category. Average Power 5 rotation players score about 2.5 for OPR+DPR.
That means he is well above average defensively (41st of 168 in the Big 12)
Page ranked well below average offensively (149th of 168 in the Big 12).
Thru 2 seasons.
Luke Hunger had a DPR of -0.61 (192nd of 196 in the Big Ten) and an OPR of 0.60 last season.
Nicholson had a DPR of 3.42 (2nd of 196 in the Big Ten) and an OPR of 1.83 last season.
Fitzmorris had a DPR of -1.21 (195th of 196 in the Big Ten) and an OPR of 1.82 last season.
Miyakawa rates players based on productivity adjusted by playing time (as opposed to aggregate stats).
He played about 500 possessions each season, or about 20% of the available minutes.
At USC as a freshman, he had a DPR (Defensive Performance Rating) of 1.46 and an OPR of -0.55.
At Cincy as a sophomore, he had a DPR (Defensive Performance Rating) of 1.98 and an OPR of -0.43.
An Average D1 player gets a zero in each category. Average Power 5 rotation players score about 2.5 for OPR+DPR.
That means he is well above average defensively (41st of 168 in the Big 12)
Page ranked well below average offensively (149th of 168 in the Big 12).
Thru 2 seasons.
Luke Hunger had a DPR of -0.61 (192nd of 196 in the Big Ten) and an OPR of 0.60 last season.
Nicholson had a DPR of 3.42 (2nd of 196 in the Big Ten) and an OPR of 1.83 last season.
Fitzmorris had a DPR of -1.21 (195th of 196 in the Big Ten) and an OPR of 1.82 last season.
Great! So Page is better than Boo!!
(I'm just giving you a hard time PWB... 😆 )
A closer comp may be Pardon, who was only about 6-9 on a good day but had a seven-foot wing span. He was a lot more polished around the rim, one of our better bigs in recent years, but it appears Page is more athletic. If the coaching staff can help him develop that inside game, Page will be an important piece for us.
With Martinelli's skillset, you probably don't want Page playing on the post too much anyway. If he can provide 20-25 solid defensive minutes without fouling and just finish lobs and layups on the other end, this would be a home run.
Did not say he could not. Just that Nicholson was able to be that D presence because of his bulk and that is something that Page does not have. He will have to do it differently than what we have been used to for the last few years. Many of the centers in the BIG tend to be 245-260 so he is a bit on the light side but he has company at his size in the league.
If he is playing that few minutes, likely a lot were more preseason and those stats can be pretty scewed
Sizewise this guy is almost the same as Yanic Konan Niederhauser, who transferred from Northern Illinois to Penn State and improved significantly. (7'0" 250).
Nicholson did a lot of little things on the offensive end to get teammates open looks - Page is going to (presumably) be called on to do that sort of thing. Lowery will (presumably) get improvement from him on the defensive end.
Seems like a fine pickup - trusting the coaches to judge his work ethic and team-first attitude. They really haven't been wrong yet on that.
Miyakawa adjusts for the level of competition, so probably not.
You won't find better player performance ratings.
Page did see his minutes cut way back in the last 11 games of the Big 12 season.
He averaged about 3 minutes a game in that stretch, which is probably why he transferred.
He had averaged about 11 minutes a game in the first half of the Big 12 season.
That’s a worrying statement given Miyakawa ranked Martinelli as the 5th best player on the team last year. Yikes.
Seems like an athletic big that justified his 4* ranking out of HS based on size and athleticism. Not sure why he didn't show progress to earn PT - was it due to schemes or his lack of effort/commitment to improve within those schemes. If all I saw were the highlights, I'd say he as great touch with the ball, good balance and footwork, and of course the aforementioned size and athleticism. Cant comment on his court vision with the ball or decision making without the ball given that I see very few plays here where he passes or is in a set offensive scheme (High P&R, etc). I have to hope that with coaching and hard work he has the chance to be something special here - more raw talent and balance than any big man we've had recently.
Not much to see there on D either. That said hard to see from that why he was not on the floor more with Cincinnati and did not score more in his time on the floor. Looks from the highlights like a double digit type scorer. Let's hope he makes that leap
Also, should be for a return of legitimate services and not a payment for playing. The payment is covered in the revenue share. Hopefully, they put out some guidance for market rates for promoting products etc.
I get scared when we are expecting rapid mass improvement from a player on his third stop. He had P5 Coaching staffs in the first two stops and ended up out of the rotation. I like both James and the Wizard, but this IMO may take some time to get to where we need it to be. Big Matt was a defensive stopper and we shouldn’t expect the same no matter how much athleticism we see. Hopefully there is a gain on the offensive side to offset the defensive loss.
Now Reid and Green have the potential to both be in our top 4 scorers next season. I don’t see them shying away from playing the big boys. Their challenge will be on defense. The Wizard has his work cut out for himself and this team blends together. Maybe more shootouts next year and we seem to have enough bodies to pick up the pace.
Remember Big Matt was a fouling machine his first two+ years. His improvement was slow but steady.
The number of "put backs" and bunnies that NU bigs missed because they lacked hops should be reduced. I hope we are in for a surprise by his performance. MN was not a great rebounder and never developed any semblance of an offensive game, so I will be cautiously optimistic-8-10ppg 6-8 rpg
Talking specifically and only about transfers.
Look at the real list.
Verhoeven, Audige, Preston, Langborg, Fitzmorris, Leach, Elyjah Williams, Justin Mullins.
Every one of those guys has been a team-oriented player and worked hard.
So Collins and staff have done well judging the attitudes of the transfers they've brought in.
That comment reveals your mis-understanding of Miyakawa's ratings.
I could explain it to you again, but it never seems to sink in, so I won't bother.
The guy who scores the most points isn't always the most impactful player.
And defense is half of the game.
Does that help?
So you think there were 4 players more impactful than Martinelli on last years team? Matt, Brooks, KJ, Jalen? In that order? I don’t think there’s a soul on this earth that would agree with that. Nick led them in points and rebounds. He was the offense at the end of the season and not a poor defender.
Miyakawa's ratings are normalized based on minutes played.
How well did the team play when this guy was in the game and how much did each player contribute - offensively and defensively.
Who was on the court with him and against him?
Exactly which player did what on each possession.
Extrapolate that to 40 minutes.
Miyakawa's ratings are very impressive - the scope and scale are fantastic.
If you combine Miyakawa and Torvik, that will probably align better with how you view players.
Like many people, you skew toward "playing time" being a better indicator of value. Thats fine - it could help the ratings.
Miyakawa has a rating of 2.89 for Ty Berry, a 2.87 rating for Jalen Leach and a 2.69 rating for Martinelli.
Those are essentially equal - nobody other than you is ranting about Martinelli being slightly below the other 2.
Leach missed a lot of time. Berry was a better defender than Martinelli.
Take it with a grain of salt.... Miyakawa is NOT declaring to the world that Martinelli was the 5th best player on the team.
He's rating the play of each player when he was in the game.
I have real trouble with extrapolating anything to 40 minutes. It just doesn’t work, due to fatigue, situational issues, and most especially, random variation in player performance.
All models are wrong; some are useful. This is definitely wrong and debatably useful. Just because a model is complex does not mean it’s predictive (over-fitting can occur).
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