ARRINTEN PAGE IS A ‘CAT!

[EagerFan]

Those highlights look pretty good from an offense point of view. He seems like he try more shot blocking from the side/rear rather than bodying up on guys.

I do note that the majority of the teams he faced in the highlights were, uh, less than challenging programs.

 

[DaCat]

The two 3-pointers he made in the highlights are two more than Big Matt had his whole career. The upside is promising.

 

[hoosboot]

I get scared when we are expecting rapid mass improvement from a player on his third stop. He had P5 Coaching staffs in the first two stops and ended up out of the rotation. I like both James and the Wizard, but this IMO may take some time to get to where we need it to be. Big Matt was a defensive stopper and we shouldn’t expect the same no matter how much athleticism we see. Hopefully there is a gain on the offensive side to offset the defensive loss.

Now Reid and Green have the potential to both be in our top 4 scorers next season. I don’t see them shying away from playing the big boys. Their challenge will be on defense. The Wizard has his work cut out for himself and this team blends together. Maybe more shootouts next year and we seem to have enough bodies to pick up the pace.

I would agree with your first sentence for any position other than the 5. It's really rare for big men to be polished right out of high school and really common for them to take three+ years to develop into rotation guys. That's why I have been so skeptical about having a skinny 3-star frosh as the answer on a B1G team hoping to make the Dance.

The hope is that Page has been sold and bought into a vision where his already capable defensive abilities are first, being a force in rebounding (hopefully improved over Big Matt) is second, and scoring opportunistically (without a significant amount of plays called for him) is a distant third. There is no need for him to be a 15 and 10 guy (a 7 & 7 guys would be incredible), so if the team could get 22-24 minutes of that, I think it would be thrilled. Setting expectations appropriately are important.

 

[prez77]

I would agree with your first sentence for any position other than the 5. It's really rare for big men to be polished right out of high school and really common for them to take three+ years to develop into rotation guys. That's why I have been so skeptical about having a skinny 3-star frosh as the answer on a B1G team hoping to make the Dance.

The hope is that Page has been sold and bought into a vision where his already capable defensive abilities are first, being a force in rebounding (hopefully improved over Big Matt) is second, and scoring opportunistically (without a significant amount of plays called for him) is a distant third. There is no need for him to be a 15 and 10 guy (a 7 & 7 guys would be incredible), so if the team could get 22-24 minutes of that, I think it would be thrilled. Setting expectations appropriately are important.

Not to be picky here, because I agree with you basically, but if he is a 7 & 7 guy in 22 minutes, then he would be about a 15 & 10 guy if he played starter minutes.

 

[UpsetAlert]

In his two seasons, Page produced consistent numbers, according to Evan Miyakawa.
Miyakawa rates players based on productivity adjusted by playing time (as opposed to aggregate stats).

He played about 500 possessions each season, or about 20% of the available minutes.
At USC as a freshman, he had a DPR (Defensive Performance Rating) of 1.46 and an OPR of -0.55.
At Cincy as a sophomore, he had a DPR (Defensive Performance Rating) of 1.98 and an OPR of -0.43.
An Average D1 player gets a zero in each category. Average Power 5 rotation players score about 2.5 for OPR+DPR.

That means he is well above average defensively (41st of 168 in the Big 12)
Page ranked well below average offensively (149th of 168 in the Big 12).
Thru 2 seasons.

Luke Hunger had a DPR of -0.61 (192nd of 196 in the Big Ten) and an OPR of 0.60 last season.
Nicholson had a DPR of 3.42 (2nd of 196 in the Big Ten) and an OPR of 1.83 last season.
Fitzmorris had a DPR of -1.21 (195th of 196 in the Big Ten) and an OPR of 1.82 last season.

Is Miyakowa the same guy whose model got you dunked on earlier this week?

 

[UpsetAlert]

Answer: Yes!

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

Is Miyakowa the same guy whose model got you dunked on earlier this week?

I can’t figure out why his rating is clearly superior to anything else out there. It makes no sense to anyone but one person.

 

[Hungry Jack]

I can’t figure out why his rating is clearly superior to anything else out there. It makes no sense to anyone but one person.

By all accounts, he is a tireless worker and drop dead serious about NU hoops.

 

[hdhntr1]

At 240, he might be fairly quick on his feet and if he can shoot the three he sounds like the kind of center Collins has always wanted. That he didn't get a lot of play at two prior schools is concerning. He'll have to be a quick study on defense to get up to speed or the Cats will definitely suffer there.

It is why it would be nice to have him on campus this spring but too late for that

 

[hdhntr1]

Great! So Page is better than Boo!!


(I'm just giving you a hard time PWB... 😆 )

Because he deserves it

 

[hdhntr1]

Not to be picky here, because I agree with you basically, but if he is a 7 & 7 guy in 22 minutes, then he would be about a 15 & 10 guy if he played starter minutes.

22 minutes is basically starters minutes for a 5. They tend to be in for less minutes than other guys and 22 is more than 50%. That we only have two bigs means he likely gets more

 

[PurpleWhiteBoy]

Is Miyakowa the same guy whose model got you dunked on earlier this week?

There are a few people who don't understand Miyakawa's approach. They're loud and ignorant on the subject.

 

[PurpleWhiteBoy]

Because he deserves it

Just trying to help you gain knowledge.

 

[docrugby1]

There are a few people who don't understand Miyakawa's approach. They're loud and ignorant on the subject.

I agree but his Sumo rating system is better

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

I agree but his Sumo rating system is better

It’s just as good that’s for sure!

 

[hoosboot]

22 minutes is basically starters minutes for a 5. They tend to be in for less minutes than other guys and 22 is more than 50%. That we only have two bigs means he likely gets more

Yeah...I was just kind of going by Nicholson's minutes last season. I assume most would consider him the starter last year. 🤷‍♂️

22 minutes a game would be a 250% increase over Page's minutes last year, so I'd be thrilled if he was able to handle that amount.

 

[NJCat]

22 minutes a game would be a 250% increase over Page's minutes last year, so I'd be thrilled if he was able to handle that amount.

Math needs work. He played 9.1 min/game last year. 22 minutes/game is

((22-9)/9)*100 = 144%

Many people struggle with this.

 

[hdhntr1]

There are a few people who don't understand Miyakawa's approach. They're loud and ignorant on the subject.

Every rating system brings something to the table. But they all also have biases and flaws (including this one). They can give added information and insight and help highlight things that might be overlooked but this is not a be all end all that you keep on trying to push.