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As it turned out, Feli was right

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We lose to Michigan, and we dont go dancing, end up behind Iowa and in 8th or 9th place in the bigten.
He takes a ripping on this board for standing up for fair, but unpopular, opinion. He always stays gentlemanly, even when radical wildcat pollyannas attack him.

Thankfully, Taphorn's pass saved the year.
 
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Nope. You have absolutely no way of knowing whether we were in or not taking the Michigan win off our resume, zero, zip. But thanks for playing with the trolls as always!
 
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If u think we are going away fuhgetaboutit as they said in good fellas. Collins is here to stay and the arrow will continue to go up with NU basketball.
 
Mr Wickerpark said:
We lose to Michigan, and we dont go dancing, end up behind Iowa and in 8th or 9th place in the bigten.
He takes a ripping on this board for standing up for fair, but unpopular, opinion. He always stays gentlemanly, even when radical wildcat pollyannas attack him.

Thankfully, Taphorn's pass saved the year.
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Huh? How was that Felis? *Everyone* thought we needed that Michigan win. Felis was the only one who thought that win wasnt enough
 
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mikewebb68 said:
Nope. You have absolutely no way of knowing whether we were in or not taking the Michigan win off our resume, zero, zip. But thanks for playing with the trolls as always!
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Pollyannas claimed we punched our ticket with 20 wins. I wouldnt expect otherwise and we especially needed the hope of the pollyannas when we were faltering at the end. But as much as we love the pollyannas, feli falls in the school of reasonable thinking, and although its subjective, i think it is reasonable to suggest that we would have went to the nit if we didnt have the Hail Nathan. 9-9 and 8th place.
Of course, there still would have been hope and we still could have gotten in, but that would have been a reach.
 
Mr Wickerpark said:
Pollyannas claimed we punched our ticket with 20 wins. I wouldnt expect otherwise and we especially needed the hope of the pollyannas when we were faltering at the end. But as much as we love the pollyannas, feli falls in the school of reasonable thinking, and although its subjective, i think it is reasonable to suggest that we would have went to the nit if we didnt have the Hail Nathan. 9-9 and 8th place.
Of course, there still would have been hope and we still could have gotten in, but that would have been a reach.
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Nice backpedaling from your original post.

Who said we punched our ticket with 20 wins? I said 21 wins was needed, for the record. Feli stated that we needed to go 12-6 in BIG play, which was 23 wins, a ridiculous assumption.

Care to troll some more with no facts supporting you?
 
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If whoever predicted that the UM win was imperative to making the tourney should have ranked the teams in the tourney and NU was always in the seed 7-10 range. This means that the bubble was very soft and teams with 15 losses made the tourney for the first time in NCAA tourney history. If you focus on the UM win which was important then you fail to note that NU was right there and should have won the IU game. Sometimes you win the close ones and sometimes you lose the close ones in sports.

But what the win over UM showed me is that we have a coaching staff that goes for it and does not settle unlike prior coaching staffs and they learn from their mistakes in the IU game or ND game. Brian James stated it best in the WSJ article, we don't back down in recruiting when other Big 10 teams offer the same player like previous regimes did. So if some want to twist and put their head in the sand and not realize that NU has made and will continue to make positive strides and history, so be it. What I am going to do as a fan of NU is continue to enjoy the ride and watch history being made tomorrow at 3:30 pm.
 
Mr Wickerpark said:
Pollyannas claimed we punched our ticket with 20 wins. I wouldnt expect otherwise and we especially needed the hope of the pollyannas when we were faltering at the end. But as much as we love the pollyannas, feli falls in the school of reasonable thinking, and although its subjective, i think it is reasonable to suggest that we would have went to the nit if we didnt have the Hail Nathan. 9-9 and 8th place.
Of course, there still would have been hope and we still could have gotten in, but that would have been a reach.
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What's with the Pollyanna nonsense all over again? I thought we got rid of that name calling b.s. when turk, Stupor, and a couple others slinked away.
 
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Mr Wickerpark said:
We lose to Michigan, and we dont go dancing, end up behind Iowa and in 8th or 9th place in the bigten.
He takes a ripping on this board for standing up for fair, but unpopular, opinion. He always stays gentlemanly, even when radical wildcat pollyannas attack him.

Thankfully, Taphorn's pass saved the year.
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Yes. 2-2-4-6-2-7. Why don't you two hang out and share your fair and unpopular opinions? What a stupid post.
 
Sure, let's pretend they lost to Michigan.

While we're at it, let's pretend Taphorn doesn't throw the ball away against ND.

Would you also like to pretend NU holds on to its lead at IU? How the three second-half gimmie baskets it missed vs Purdue at home?

And that's without discussing the Butler game?

Are these games also part of our scenario?
 
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Sec.112 said:
Sure, let's pretend they lost to Michigan.

While we're at it, let's pretend Taphorn doesn't throw the ball away against ND.

Would you also like to pretend NU holds on to its lead at IU? How the three second-half gimmie baskets it missed vs Purdue at home?

And that's without discussing the Butler game?

Are these games also part of our scenario?
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I would just like to pretend NU beats Vandy today.....
 
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You realize the game was tied when taphorn made that pass. NU still had at the very worst 50-50 chance to win that game in OT anyway.
 
Mr Wickerpark said:
We lose to Michigan, and we dont go dancing, end up behind Iowa and in 8th or 9th place in the bigten.
He takes a ripping on this board for standing up for fair, but unpopular, opinion. He always stays gentlemanly, even when radical wildcat pollyannas attack him.

Thankfully, Taphorn's pass saved the year.
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Feli insisted that UM screwed up by shooting with 2 seconds left rather than exactly at the buzzer. When called on his idiocy (that the odds of an offensive putback are better than a full court Hail Mary, which is why coaches want to shoot with enough time for a putback on a miss), he slinked away, denied the obvious stupidity of his position and refused to address it numerous times (at least 5 or so, including again just the other day). If that's being "right", I'd hate to know what being wrong is.

Webb is right. Feli insisted that 12-6 was the only shoo-in. Anything less was dubious. That was his position. Well, that and the inanity I noted above...
 
Feli was right. Not saying I agreed with him or his debbie downer opinion. But just because webb and other board bullies try to bully him doesnt discount felis otherwise wise and well thought out post, even if unpopular.
 
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DaCat said:
What's with the Pollyanna nonsense all over again? I thought we got rid of that name calling b.s. when turk, Stupor, and a couple others slinked away.
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Don't look now, Turk is back. Hope others like, Midvale and Mikero soon follow.
 
Aside from me and Jerry Palm who does bracketology for a living for CBSSports.com responded before and after the UM game in multiple interviews, that even if NU had lost to UM, Purdue and in the first round of the BTT, NU was still in the tourney. But what does Jerry Palm know over FS? A lot and everything in regards to bracketology. But all of these posts are moot because not only did NU beat UM, they trounced Rutgers and then went on the road and beat Maryland! Go NU beat the Commodores!
 
catcrazy said:
If u think we are going away fuhgetaboutit as they said in good fellas. Collins is here to stay and the arrow will continue to go up with NU basketball.
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I take issue with this more than anything else in this thread. Wasn't that Donnie Brasco? There might have been a random "fuhgetaboutit" spoken by a character (and I know De Niro once says, "forget about tonight" at one point, sparing Morrie's life momentarily, but Donnie Brasco is the movie that popularized that phrase about mobsters. Sorry, can't help it, Goodfellas is my favorite movie.

As for Feli, he doesn't bother me so much. I more or less understand his shtick, and I don't mind someone being contrarian about this stuff, but I prefer they admit when they were wrong rather than just moving on to the next contrarian opinion. I thought 12 BT wins was way too high of a standard to set at the time he said it, especially with the weak bubble, but that was a 100% confident level, whereas 11 was like a 99% confidence level.
 
Mr Wickerpark said:
We lose to Michigan, and we dont go dancing, end up behind Iowa and in 8th or 9th place in the bigten.
He takes a ripping on this board for standing up for fair, but unpopular, opinion. He always stays gentlemanly, even when radical wildcat pollyannas attack him.

Thankfully, Taphorn's pass saved the year.
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Who's Feli?
 
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FloridAlum said:
You really do not know more then the board moderators who have information available which you do not have.
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I run a website myelf, so I'm aware that you have access to all emails, IPs, etc. But there's ways around those things.

Those "two" speak EXACTLY the same. Loves the word pollyanna, spells enough "enuff", etc.

My other suspicion would be that multiple people were posting from Turk's username and now one of them moved on to Wicker Park. Not saying that's a bad thing at all, my roommate and I both use my subscription, but the similarities between Turk and Mr. Wicker Park's rhetoric is way too similar for me.
 
VirginiaWildcat said:
Who!? Seriously...who said that?
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Ask Loui who thought NU had punched its ticket after the Wisky win. I think he remembers. He may also remember which "experts" thought NU didn't need to beat Mich after beating RU.
And ask IOA how far they went with the SAME r.s. B1G w/l record as NU.
IOA may also give you an "expert opinion" on whether NU's two BTT wins made a difference for NU to get its bid.
 
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Walker Fan said:
If whoever predicted that the UM win was imperative to making the tourney should have ranked the teams in the tourney and NU was always in the seed 7-10 range. This means that the bubble was very soft and teams with 15 losses made the tourney for the first time in NCAA tourney history.
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Wasn't soft enough for IOA to get in with TEN r.s. B1G wins, exactly the SAME as NU.
I suspect IOA people will agree that the main reason NU got in and they didn't was NU's very impressive BTT win over Maryland (effectively at their home), while IOA lost their first BTT match. Had the opposite happened (NU loses to RU while IOA goes on to win two BTT games) almost certainly the bid would have changed hands.
 
FeliSilvestris said:
Of course they did and paid for it. I explained why. But you keep on spewing the same nonsense in EVERY THREAD that somehow involves me, attempting to hijack it and deviate it to YOUR BS. I explained to you that By shooting at the last possible instant they had about 40% chance of winning outright (making a 2P, didn't need a trey) and still had a 50% chance of winning in OT if they missed the shot (roughly a 70% total prob of winning by following this strategy). The fact that YOU refuse to accept this doesn't mean I have to keep on REPEATING the SAME ARGUMENT over and over in EVERY THREAD which you attempt to hijack. Now let this thread continue. Find the old thread if you want to rehash this.


Stop lying. I never say that winning 12 was THE ONLY WAY for the cats to reach the NCAA's. I did say back then (with 7 GAMES LEFT in the reg. season) that if they won specific 5 of the last seven reg. season games they WOULD ENSURE a bid REGARDLESS OF how they did in the BTT, and ALL THE CRAZY STUFF that could happen in all conference tournaments.

If you find the above too difficult to understand ask someone to explain to you the difference between a condition being NECESSARY and being SUFFICIENT. Yes that's high level logic (probably need a HS education to be grasped).
Winning specific 5 of the last 7 was SUFFICIENT for the cats to ENSURE a bid (regardless of anything they or anybody else did or didn't do).
Winning specific 5 of the last 7 was *NOT* NECESSARY.
In fact the cats made up for winning only 10 when they won two more at the BTT, including Maryland, which as far as I am concerned DID SEAL THE DEAL.

Ask IOA how far they went with 10 reg. season wins.
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It's in black and white. You know what you said. You know it. I know it. Everyone here knows it.

Just like we all know how you said UM was stupid to shoot with time left on the clock until it was pointed out to you that the odds of an offensive rebound/put-back are much better than a full court Hail Mary (which is why coaches want the shot going up with enough time for a tip in). And you flat out refused (and still refuse) to address that obvious fact

And you have the nerve to lecture people about high school level logic? That's laughable.

(But coming from your miserably messed up mind, not one bit surprising.)

You still haven't answered my question to you re: whether the odds of a put-back are better than the odds of a Hail Mary from the baseline. So go throw some stones at your own glass house first before you throw them at others. Either that or answer the question.

The truth, though, is that it doesn't really matter if you answer the question - because nobody here seems to give a damn what you say anyway! I guess I have reached that point with you, too.

You're such a neg-head sociopathic troll, what you say matters to no one. Nobody wants to read your tripe. Most people probably have the good sense to have you on ignore. Me? I should probably do that too. You seem to have burned every bridge possible here with your ascerbic nasty negative nonsense. Why not one more?
 
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Wasn't soft enough for IOA to get in with TEN r.s. B1G wins, exactly the SAME as NU.
I suspect IOA people will agree that the main reason NU got in and they didn't was NU's very impressive BTT win over Maryland (effectively at their home), while IOA lost their first BTT match. Had the opposite happened (NU loses to RU while IOA goes on to win two BTT games) almost certainly the bid would have changed hands.
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I suspect Iowa people will KNOW the main reason NU got in and they didn't was brutal non conference losses to bad Memphis and Omaha teams, as well as a loss to Nebraska in conference. And losing to Northwestern by 33. I think that probably would have helped had the teams actually been close in their overall resume.

Conference record doesn't mean a damn thing anymore. 12-6, 10-8, whatever. There is NO magic number, just an overall resume, and Iowa's wasn't close to Northwestern's BEFORE the BTT, nor was it close after.
 
D_C_B said:
Nobody wants to read your tripe. Most people probably have the good sense to have you on ignore. Me? I should probably do that too. You seem to have burned every bridge possible here with your ascerbic nasty negative nonsense. Why not one more?
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PLEASE do put me on your ignore list. I have ZERO interest in being read by you.
 
olshin said:
Conference record doesn't mean a damn thing anymore. 12-6, 10-8, whatever. There is NO magic number, just an overall resume, and Iowa's wasn't close to Northwestern's BEFORE the BTT, nor was it close after.
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In principle I agree with you that the Committee has no reason to look at conference records in isolation from the overall records. But that cut both ways. Why then make a big deal of NU's 10th conference win, as if 10 was a magic #. A team could get in with 10 r.s. conf wins, and could be left out with 10, as IOA was.

In practice conference wins are important for major conference teams because for most such teams their toughest games are in conf. For smaller conf teams it may be the exact opposite. Obviously it depends on the case.

We will never for sure know what would have happened had NU lost to RU (a terrible loss) instead of beating both RU and Mary at the BTT. We can only reason on the basis of available information.

NU was officially ranked #32 by the Committee. But that was after NU avoided losing to RU at the BTT (a horrible loss) and beat Mary ( a GREAT win). The question is how many spots below 32 would NU have fallen:
a) WITHOUT the Maryland win
AND
b) WITH a RU loss.
I'd say that each would have been worth AT LEAST 5 spots in the ranking. That is, NU final ranking would have been not better than 42. Would that have been enough for a bid?

Considering that the LAST B1G team to get in was MSU (also with 10 r.s. B1G wins) ranked #35 I'd say the answer to the previous questions is Heck No!

But we'll never know.
 
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FeliSilvestris said:
PLEASE do put me on your ignore list. I have ZERO interest in being read by you.
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Now who's doing the lying?

You barely have any readers. You need all you can get. You're never going to answer the question, are you? You have proven yourself a neg-head, a fool and now a rhetorical coward. I can't wait to see what you come up with to round out the quartet.
 
DCB and Olshin are right on. This poster is dazed and confused. Jerry Palm, cbssports.com's bracketologist has said it numerous times that NU was irrespective of UM and Purdue outcomes and BTT results. My guess is this is the last bastion of the BC tree huggers. But who cares? The biggest game in NU basketball history is today. Can Law and Lindsey put the clamps on the Zags rent a players in Goss and Matthews. The Zags center only plays 22 minutes a game but Pardon can't get two early fouls and Benson might and probably will have to play more meaningful minutes and not only 1-3 minutes. BYU's big guy was able to get around and shoot over the Polish Giant whose lateral movement is very slow. He does have good hands and can pass out of the double team well.
 
Mr Wickerpark said:
We lose to Michigan, and we dont go dancing, end up behind Iowa and in 8th or 9th place in the bigten.
He takes a ripping on this board for standing up for fair, but unpopular, opinion. He always stays gentlemanly, even when radical wildcat pollyannas attack him.

Thankfully, Taphorn's pass saved the year.
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This thread sucks. Not suprising considering who started it off.
 
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