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As it turned out, Feli was right

FeliSilvestris said:
In principle I agree with you that the Committee has no reason to look at conference records in isolation from the overall records. But that cut both ways. Why then make a big deal of NU's 10th conference win, as if 10 was a magic #. A team could get in with 10 r.s. conf wins, and could be left out with 10, as IOA was.

In practice conference wins are important for major conference teams because for most such teams their toughest games are in conf. For smaller conf teams it may be the exact opposite. Obviously it depends on the case.

We will never for sure know what would have happened had NU lost to RU (a terrible loss) instead of beating both RU and Mary at the BTT. We can only reason on the basis of available information.

NU was officially ranked #32 by the Committee. But that was after NU avoided losing to RU at the BTT (a horrible loss) and beat Mary ( a GREAT win). The question is how many spots below 32 would NU have fallen:
a) WITHOUT the Maryland win
AND
b) WITH a RU loss.
I'd say that each would have been worth AT LEAST 5 spots in the ranking. That is, NU final ranking would have been not better than 42. Would that have been enough for a bid?

Considering that the LAST B1G team to get in was MSU (also with 10 r.s. B1G wins) ranked #35 I'd say the answer to the previous questions is Heck No!

But we'll never know.
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We were ranked 29, not 32. That's why we played the 4 overall instead of the 1.
Yes, we were ranked above Wisconsin by the committee. Wisconsin was ranked 32. Nice work by the committee!
 
olshin said:
We were ranked 29, not 32. That's why we played the 4 overall instead of the 1.
Yes, we were ranked above Wisconsin by the committee. Wisconsin was ranked 32. Nice work by the committee!
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You are flat wrong. Take it to the bank.
NU was ranked EXACTLY #32 by the selection committee. MSU was #35.
I created a thread about it when it was announce with a link to the OFFICIAL source. Search and you will find it.
Take it to the bank.
 
FeliSilvestris said:
You are flat wrong. Take it to the bank.
NU was ranked EXACTLY #32 by the selection committee. MSU was #35.
I created a thread about it when it was announce with a link to the OFFICIAL source. Search and you will find it.
Take it to the bank.
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Theoretically, Olshin is correct. The seeds are supposed to go in an "S" curve. Gonzaga was the weakest #1 seed, thus making NU the strongest #8 seed by default.

That being said, I think the committee's seeding was questionable this year (Wisconsin, Wichita St, etc).

They did nice job picking the field though. That's more important.
 
ColumbusCatFan1 said:
Theoretically, Olshin is correct. The seeds are supposed to go in an "S" curve. Gonzaga was the weakest #1 seed, thus making NU the strongest #8 seed by default
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NO. You and Olshin are plain wrong. You both may be unaware that the committee released the complete list of teams with their respective seeds (1-68) given EXPLICITLY and DIRECTLY. NU was ranked EXACTLY #32 by the committee. Not guessing here.
 
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FeliSilvestris said:
NO. You and Olshin are plain wrong. You both may be unaware that the committee released the complete list of teams with their respective seeds (1-68) given EXPLICITLY and DIRECTLY. NU was ranked EXACTLY #32 by the committee. Not guessing here.
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I was unaware of that, but if so, it would contradict how they've they've talked about doing things in the past...but it wouldn't be the first time they've changed the rules midstream ; )

It seems like they decided to prioritize location/match ups this year (guessing for revenue purposes). IMHO, unnecessary and NIT-esque.

EDIT: Saw the list you mentioned. I appreciate the correction.
 
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OK I was wrong. I was paying attention to the S-curve, rather than the seed list. You're wrong about most everything else, you were wrong that we needed to go 12-6 to make the conference tournament, you've been consistently wrong all season about us not being good enough. Sadly, I will not be able to see your response, so go ahead and troll me all you want. I just don't really care to argue with trolls.
 
EvanstonCat said:
Actually, I think he didn't think we were in with the Rutgers win. Or even the Maryland win. Felis didn't really know much.
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Definitely in with Maryland win. Said it very clearly.
As indicated above, NU's official ranking was #32 AFTER the Maryland win. Project down what would have been w/o Mary. Now project further down after a horrible BTT loss to RU. At best the projection leads to the lows to mid 40's. Almost certainly not enough to get in. Last B1G team to get a bid was MSU, ranked #35 (with same number of r.s. B1G wins as NU).
 
FeliSilvestris said:
Definitely in with Maryland win. Said it very clearly.
As indicated above, NU's official ranking was #32 AFTER the Maryland win. Project down what would have been w/o Mary. Now project further down after a horrible BTT loss to RU. At best the projection leads to the lows to mid 40's. Almost certainly not enough to get in. Last B1G team to get a bid was MSU, ranked #35 (with same number of r.s. B1G wins as NU).
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Felis, we were in at an 8 seed. If we didn't beat Maryland, do you really think we would not have been an 11 seed? That it was the Maryland win that propelled us over 14 teams?
 
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EvanstonCat said:
Felis, we were in at an 8 seed. If we didn't beat Maryland, do you really think we would not have been an 11 seed? That it was the Maryland win that propelled us over 14 teams?
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EC: why do you bother? The guy is certifiable. Just let him wither away and die the troll's death he has brought upon himself.
 
EvanstonCat said:
Felis, we were in at an 8 seed. If we didn't beat Maryland, do you really think we would not have been an 11 seed? That it was the Maryland win that propelled us over 14 teams?
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NU was ranked exactly #32. The last B1G team to get in was MSU ranked #35.
A bunch of the teams ranked/seeded below NU were AQ that would be in not matter what.
You can yourself imagine how far down NU would have fallen w/o beating Mary AND getting beat by last place RU.
IOA also won 10 r.s. B1G games. Never made it to the T.
 
FeliSilvestris said:
NU was ranked exactly #32. The last B1G team to get in was MSU ranked #35.
A bunch of the teams ranked/seeded below NU were AQ that would be in not matter what.
You can yourself imagine how far down NU would have fallen w/o beating Mary AND getting beat by last place RU.
IOA also won 10 r.s. B1G games. Never made it to the T.
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Felis, MSU was an 8 seed. The last teams to get in on an at-large were 11 seeds. You keep playing this B1G not deserving of many bids, but they did get 7 (not 5 as you predicted). This has less to do with how the NCAA committee thinks, but FWIW everyone (at least on ESPN) now is talking about how strong B1G is doing (see other thread on ESPN talk). Wisconsin beating Nova I think says it all. We beat Wisconsin at Kohl. And gave Gonzaga all they could handle, even playing against the Zebras as well.
 
ColumbusCatFan1 said:
Theoretically, Olshin is correct. The seeds are supposed to go in an "S" curve. Gonzaga was the weakest #1 seed, thus making NU the strongest #8 seed by default.

That being said, I think the committee's seeding was questionable this year (Wisconsin, Wichita St, etc).

They did nice job picking the field though. That's more important.
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I don't think so. Wisconsin was not seeded behind us. No way, no how. Finished above us in the conference, waxed us in the tourney.

Then again, they were on drugs seeding Wisconsin behind so many other teams, maybe they threw in NU to boot.
 
EvanstonCat said:
I don't think so. Wisconsin was not seeded behind us. No way, no how. Finished above us in the conference, waxed us in the tourney. Then again, they were on drugs seeding Wisconsin behind so many other teams, maybe they threw in NU to boot.
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Once again, there is an OFFICIAL list that indicates the EXACT seed of each tournament team (#1 - #68). Not need to guess or conjecture.
I will post it yet again.
PU #16, Minny #18, Mary #23, Mich #27, Wisky #29, NU #32, MSU #35
Yes, they screwed up Wisky...but it hasn't affected them (probably screwed up VA Tech, the team that played Wisky in round 1, even more!).

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