Agreed, but Collins himself said that he did some soul searching and got back to basics.
Yeah, I get it. And I am not saying you are wrong. I see your point. I was just trying to state there are arguments to be made on both sides. Including just concluding, by the end of this season that it was all a fluke. Probably not. I hope not!
Might be on to something here. 🧙♀️ 🧙♂️
Every school faces limitations. And talk about self serving: if failure, everything else to blame, if successful - all CCC! This philosophy despite no change in outside factors from year to year. So last year is all CCC but all the other years, not his fault. Pick a lane.
12 hours time difference - this is an amazing place.
Time to go dive againOk - can agree as long as we can agree that failing to do these things and the subsequent head coach also are on that same head coach.
How about this - can anyone point me to a website that maintains team rankings for O and D over the years? I’ll compile a chart.
Not the same limitations at all…you just don’t / won’t allow yourself to get it.
It’s just Bob’s schtick. He try’s to paint anyone that supports CCC or PF as blind to any flaws they have or have had. The facts are most supports also acknowledge those flaws and have said so many times. His refusal to recognize that there are admissions hurdles that NU faces that no other team in the conference faces shows his refusal to accept anything that might undermine his illogical arguments. He has cute names like enablers and apologists for anyone that doesn’t see things his way.
Yet, time and again, y’all choose to ignore the most rational component of my post. And that’s ok - can lead horse to water…
)I had just mentioned our zone defense flaw to @GatoLouco. Would you like the last word now?
Everyone has errors / wishes they could have done things differently. (Dan Hurley yelled incessantly at his players and refs and finally realized last year that it was not productive). Just because CCC was humble enough to admit it doesn’t mean it should count against him more than others.
This is your idea being critical? Yes, I’ll take last word. You proved my point precisely.
How about the ones for NU during CCC? Must be a reason nobody wants to post them…
All fair points. With the thread being about CCC’s ranking, I just wanted to emphasize that other coaches make mistakes and some
Due to your conclusion being based on lack of information, I will reply despite my last word offer. I’ve many times said CCC is not perfect, and I’ve openly criticized his inability to prevent the kick and drive by other teams, leading to 3-point daggers going against us. I’ve also agreed with others on our poor zone play. But I got really amped up defending CCC when guys like you wanted him fired. Someone needed to have the gumption to take a long-term view realizing NU’s limitations and stay the course and believe in a talented individual and not be a macho “you’re fired” guy and not make a message board type (over)reaction when we all are easily frustrated by losing close games. And I did the work years ago to find and present data that proved we were still a good team amd we’re making progress, and you are asking others in this very thread where to even look for data. Go throw a laughing face on that. You were wrong about Collins. Own it. He should be ranked way higher than he is and loved by our fan base.
1. Find a quote. We have archives. Last time you claimed to be critical, we saw your idea of critical. (You won’t, doesn’t exist.)
This is an insane take. Particularly, when Northwestern and all its disadvantages are taken into consideration.
Yeah, I don't know if it's "insane" but it doesn't take into account just how low the margin of error is at NU.
| Season | NU Record | NU Off | NU Def | NU Luck | KSU Record | KSU Off | KSU Def | KSU Luck |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2022-23 | 22-12 | 88 | 22 | 117 | ||||
| 2021-22 | 15-16 | 101 | 73 | 331 | 14-17 | 57 | 66 | 344 |
| 2020-21 | 9-15 | 132 | 37 | 331 | 9-20 | 226 | 100 | 117 |
| 2019-20 | 8-23 | 131 | 150 | 334 | 11-21 | 177 | 40 | 348 |
| 2018-19 | 13-19 | 204 | 19 | 348 | 25-9 | 98 | 3 | 65 |
| 2017-18 | 15-17 | 96 | 90 | 326 | 25-12 | 78 | 21 | 31 |
| 2016-17 | 24-12 | 59 | 32 | 135 | 21-14 | 42 | 33 | 256 |
| 2015-16 | 20-12 | 71 | 87 | 178 | 17-16 | 101 | 25 | 298 |
| 2014-15 | 15-17 | 100 | 151 | 161 | 15-17 | 120 | 68 | 158 |
| 2013-14 | 14-19 | 288 | 23 | 101 | 20-13 | 125 | 16 | 185 |
All the disadvantages that still allowed them to make NIT repeatedly and that guy got fired. Another guy gets to NCAA twice but still folks have some midget syndrome.
I’m surprise by these stats. I really didn’t expect NU to have the D rankings as high as they were. That’s most curious.
Of course you didn’t because it was all Coach Lowry. There was this guy named Chase who could play a little defense.
Never said he couldn’t. In fact, big fan of chase on D. But I’m holding out belief that we will still be a defense oriented team this year.
Trying to remember what was the team in 2019-2020. Seems like such an outlier in terms of our defense. Was that the year we lost Law and Pardon and had a bunch of freshmen?
I also think we will be a defense oriented team. Just believe the defense will take a step back. Hopefully progress on offense makes up for that.
Correct, that was the Pat Spencer team, featuring sophs Kopp and Nance, along with frosh Boo, Young and Beran. Gaines was the best defender but got hurt and ended up redshirting.
