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Very little playing time at Mizzou. Not a stretch guy— no 3s and all of on 26% free throws.
We’re getting a bit desperate on bigs but it’s not clear that this guy would be that helpful except to clog the lane but maybe there’s something there if TAM & IU are actually interested in him .
Mizzou had a deep team and I’m not sure he fit their system
 
Very little playing time at Mizzou. Not a stretch guy— no 3s and all of on 26% free throws.
We’re getting a bit desperate on bigs but it’s not clear that this guy would be that helpful except to clog the lane but maybe there’s something there if TAM & IU are actually interested in him .
Last big we had who "stretched" was Nance and that did not work out well. Don't get me wrong, it would be nice to have that. But, if that were a must have criteria, it feels like chasing, for our purse, a unicorn.

I would not have spotted this dude were not for the fact I saw Indiana made contact with him. I have never seen him play. But he entered 3 days ago and, as you say, we are getting kind of desperate anyway.
 
Painter continues to get players.
I'm a bit impressed that he is doing so in the new NIL era.
People on this board like to talk about our disadvantages in recruiting, but Evanston vs West Lafayette?
I'll assume we all agree thats an advantage for NU.
 
Painter continues to get players.
I'm a bit impressed that he is doing so in the new NIL era.
People on this board like to talk about our disadvantages in recruiting, but Evanston vs West Lafayette?
I'll assume we all agree thats an advantage for NU.
The beauty of our campus? Which basketball player makes his determination based on that?
 
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The beauty of our campus? Which basketball player makes his determination based on that?
I knew you'd object in some way to something that is obvious to everyone else.

NU's campus and location on Lake Michigan near Chicago is far more appealing than Purdue's campus near the Wabash river in the middle of nowhere. This is where the players will live - and, because they are youthful human beings, the vast majority will prefer NU.

An advantage for Collins in recruiting, whether you admit it or not.
 
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Painter has a history of putting players in the NBA and making deep runs in the tournament. I don't think Evanston really trumps that play.
Up until last year, Painter had a history of getting upset in the tournament more than going deep. Not a lot of Purdue players in the pro’s. Edey, Ivey and ? I may be forgetting some others.

But he’s a very good coach and the program does a great job of retaining and developing players. The appeal next year is that you are joining an already very, very good team. Chance to play in a Final Four.
 
I knew you'd object in some way to something that is obvious to everyone else.

NU's campus and location on Lake Michigan near Chicago is far more appealing than Purdue's campus near the Wabash river in the middle of nowhere. This is where the players will live - and, because they are youthful human beings, the vast majority will prefer NU.

An advantage for Collins in recruiting, whether you admit it or not.
Ha - an advantage that is immaterial and irrelevant is not an advantage! We have better musicians and actors - is that an advantage?
 
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Up until last year, Painter had a history of getting upset in the tournament more than going deep. Not a lot of Purdue players in the pro’s. Edey, Ivey and ? I may be forgetting some others.

But he’s a very good coach and the program does a great job of retaining and developing players. The appeal next year is that you are joining an already very, very good team. Chance to play in a Final Four.
I agree, he has that history as well.

For kids 16-18, he's put a player in the NBA in 2024, 2023, 2022, and 2021, 2019, and 2018 - along with five or six more kids in the G league, and who knows how many overseas.

He's taken a team to the tournament every year since 2012. So he's taken teams to the tourney every year since most of those kids have been in kindergarten. Included in that time is four sweet 16s, an elite 8, and a national championship game.

In the scheme of things, I think kids who believe they have a future in basketball will look at that a lot more favorably than being a few blocks away from the red line into Chicago. I also think there are several other schools that would provide better pro opportunities.
 
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In the overall scheme of things, I think kids would consider other factors before how many NBA alumni there are from a school. It’s obvious that if you got the talent, the NBA will find you whether you go to Duke or to Murray State.
 
Overall? Sure probably. In comparison to living near an L stop that goes to the big city? Significantly more important to those with aspirations. But anyhow...
 
Up until last year, Painter had a history of getting upset in the tournament more than going deep. Not a lot of Purdue players in the pro’s. Edey, Ivey and ? I may be forgetting some others.

But he’s a very good coach and the program does a great job of retaining and developing players. The appeal next year is that you are joining an already very, very good team. Chance to play in a Final Four.

Thanks for pointing that out.
I would have expected more current NBA players than just Edey and Ivey.
But it seems that celebrated Purdue players like Vince Edwards, Carsen Edwards, Caleb Swanigan and AJ Hammons only last 1-3 years in the NBA.
Which suggests that Painter is getting about as much as he can out of his players - they generally don't improve at the NBA level.
And its probably a bit of a knock on the Big Ten, given Painter's overall success.
Or just evidence that Painter's the best coach in the Big Ten.
Its a little ironic that NU and Purdue both have 2 NBA players right now.

This website is handy for searches.
 
Thanks for pointing that out.
I would have expected more current NBA players than just Edey and Ivey.
But it seems that celebrated Purdue players like Vince Edwards, Carsen Edwards, Caleb Swanigan and AJ Hammons only last 1-3 years in the NBA.
Which suggests that Painter is getting about as much as he can out of his players - they generally don't improve at the NBA level.
And its probably a bit of a knock on the Big Ten, given Painter's overall success.
Or just evidence that Painter's the best coach in the Big Ten.
Its a little ironic that NU and Purdue both have 2 NBA players right now.

This website is handy for searches.
Painter is an excellent Coach despite what many Purdue fans think.
 
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Painter is an excellent Coach despite what many Purdue fans think.
Yes he is. There are very few fan bases of good programs that don’t think their team should be better. I don’t think he saved his job last year but if they had not reached the Sweet 16 he would have been under a lot of scrutiny despite the consistent success without the 5 star recruits.
 
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More schools are trying to protect themselves with strict liability in these NIL deals. For example, there's another high-major player who signed a substantial NIL contract near the end of the season but subsequently went into the portal anyway, seeking an even bigger deal. One of his coaches told me they were bracing for this, even though pen was put to paper weeks ago. According to this coach, this player now owes the school "the entirety of a contract he hasn't received a dime of yet."

"They think we are bluffing," the coach said. "We are 100% holding them to the contract."
 
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In the overall scheme of things, I think kids would consider other factors before how many NBA alumni there are from a school. It’s obvious that if you got the talent, the NBA will find you whether you go to Duke or to Murray State.
Maybe but they don't To show yourself best have to surround yourself with other pretty good players who will help you get to the top and that is no longer happening at Murray State as the top guys are all transferring out
 
I think they already have, we just haven’t all recognized it quite yet.

I would agree with you but the interesting thing to me is how big money attracts fans like moths to a flame. Everyone loves to speculate how they can add magical free agents. Every team is in-play for championships every year based on the more money and making good decisions. Throw in gambling and all the hype generated by TV to attract viewers. Seems like the more money and chaos the more fans like to participate.
 
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Most of the mid major forums I check are bemoaning the end of their competitiveness and a new future of being developmental teams that lose not only their best players, but their average players as well, every year.
 
Who the f*** cares about the skin color of the players?

It's time to get beyond woke idiocy.
As somebody who generally agrees with you on these sorts of issues, noticing unusually and humorously white basketball teams is just good Chapelle Show, Key and Peele, etc. type 2000s comedy fodder that reasonable people of all races with a sense of humor can share a few Dad jokes and a laugh about. THat's how you get nicknames like Cream Abdul Jabbar for that overweight, pasty, goggle wearing stretch 4 who starred for Indiana State two years ago.
 
As somebody who generally agrees with you on these sorts of issues, noticing unusually and humorously white basketball teams is just good Chapelle Show, Key and Peele, etc. type 2000s comedy fodder that reasonable people of all races with a sense of humor can share a few Dad jokes and a laugh about. THat's how you get nicknames like Cream Abdul Jabbar for that overweight, pasty, goggle wearing stretch 4 who starred for Indiana State two years ago.
Hard to tell on the Web when it comes to comments like this.

But, yes, Purdue is whiter than my backside in the dead of winter.
 
Dawson Garcia is apparently in the portal. Notable because he has played 5 years so he should be out of eligibility. He appeared in 16 games in 2021-22 for North Carolina before leaving the team to tend to a family illness situation. I assume his waiver is based on not finishing that season (he played in at least 26 games in each of his other 4 seasons), but if he were to be ruled eligible after playing in 16 games then I believe a certain guy on our team would have grounds for asking for an extra year (if he wanted to).

 
Dawson Garcia is apparently in the portal. Notable because he has played 5 years so he should be out of eligibility. He appeared in 16 games in 2021-22 for North Carolina before leaving the team to tend to a family illness situation. I assume his waiver is based on not finishing that season (he played in at least 26 games in each of his other 4 seasons), but if he were to be ruled eligible after playing in 16 games then I believe a certain guy on our team would have grounds for asking for an extra year (if he wanted to).

This is wild
 
Garcia played 5 full seasons. Barnheizer only played 4. How would Garcia get a waiver??
Garcia played in 20-21, which is the year that didn't count toward eligibility, so in the eyes of the NCAA they've both played 4 years.

There are other players out of eligibility who have entered the portal, like Mustapha Amzil of New Mexico and Jabri Abdur-Rahim of Providence. If Abdur-Rahim wins a medical redshirt despite playing in 22 games this season, then Barnhizer would definitely have a case. Again, I don't know if he'd want to come back and it seems like the NCAA would only set this very lenient precedent if they were on the cusp of just giving everyone 5 years anyway.
 
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Garcia played in 20-21, which is the year that didn't count toward eligibility, so in the eyes of the NCAA they've both played 4 years.

There are other players out of eligibility who have entered the portal, like Mustapha Amzil of New Mexico and Jabri Abdur-Rahim of Providence. If Abdur-Rahim wins a medical redshirt despite playing in 22 games this season, then Barnhizer would definitely have a case. Again, I don't know if he'd want to come back and it seems like the NCAA would only set this very lenient precedent if they were on the cusp of just giving everyone 5 years anyway.
Or…all these guys know something that isn’t yet quite public info?
 
If Dawson Garcia is granted a waiver, while Brooks is not, the rules are whack. Played more games, got a free Covid season. I undestand there's the "season ending" injury thing. But it's whack, rules are whack.

Anyway, like 150 players joined the portal yesterday, probably around same amount today.
 
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2358 transfers.
out of approximately 3640 scholarship players with eligibility...

Nearly 65%

The Big Ten Basketball Team Sponsored By Northwestern University versus the Big Ten Basketball Team Sponsored By Michigan State University...

it has a ring to it.
 
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