Our old friend Bill Carmody has his Holy Cross team in the Patriot League championship and is a win away from the NCAA tournament. As much maligned as he was here the guy can flat out coach. He was just never a good fit here becaus ein this conference and in this situation you need a guy who can get players to not only compete but beat the teams in the Big Ten. Holy Cross and a bunch of other schools similiar to that are perfect for him and vice versa, just not at a place like NU.
BC has Holy Cross 1 win away from NCAA
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Yes, he can coach. But realize that his HC team finished 9th in the Patriot League in the regular season..........not exactly killing it, is he?
Doesn't matter in a one bid league now does it. Especially since its his first year and he has zero of his recruits on campus. A win on Wed. and they are in.....he couldn't even get close in 12 years here.
The 08-09 and 11-12 squads were actually pretty darn close. Lunardi had NU under the "last four in" category heading into the BTT during Shurna's senior year.
Not trying to start a BC debate (I really hate those), just going for accuracy.
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Unfortunately, we still have work left to do to even get to the NIT. Hope we can get it done, though.
With his recruiting capability/interest, he may have to get in this year with someone else's recruits. Otherwise, he's going to have to use his own recruits and that may be too tall of an order, even in the Patriot League.
I know the angle that you are taking on this one ECat...but in terms of recruiting, it's a big win for BC and staff to have proof for recruits that committing to HC means they will compete for NCAA Tournament appearances. If his 9th place PL team gets knocked out in first round of the PLT, they have a much weaker recruiting sales pitch.
Carmody is a fantastic strategist and has a fantastic system. If I were to take an inferior group of players, I would want Bill Carmody to develop the game plan. Unfortunately, figuring out a strategy to win with inferior players is never going to get us over the edge in the Big Ten. The other teams and coaches are just too good.
What's far more important than gameplan and system, are developing talent (Bo Ryan, Tom Izzo) and recruiting (John Calipari). Carmody was not a great recruiter. He had some really great players, but the team was never top to bottom was not like it is right now. Players also didn't seem to improve year after year or even during the year. Again, there are exceptions (Nash, Hearns...), but overall there was never a year to year jump that I see in Wisconsin or a beginning to end of year jump that I see at MSU.
What's far more important than gameplan and system, are developing talent (Bo Ryan, Tom Izzo) and recruiting (John Calipari). Carmody was not a great recruiter. He had some really great players, but the team was never top to bottom was not like it is right now. Players also didn't seem to improve year after year or even during the year. Again, there are exceptions (Nash, Hearns...), but overall there was never a year to year jump that I see in Wisconsin or a beginning to end of year jump that I see at MSU.
Carmody is a really good low-major, high-academic coach. I'd be really happy for him if they won, though I don't think they will and I think Lehigh is much better. We can knock him all he wants for his Northwestern tenure (some knocks are accurate, some are petty) but it would be 3 NCAA appearances in 5 seasons of coaching in 1-bid
I think we have a great coach for us.
So we should all be happy, right?
I think he's in a great spot for him.
I think we have a great coach for us.
So we should all be happy, right?
Sometimes when I read threads like this (not necessarily the OP), I think people are trying to make the case that it was a mistake to fire Carmody and hire Collins. It must be because Carmody is in the tourney (I know not yet), and Collins won't be (although I'm praying). Obviously, that isn't an absurd point of view.
Maybe I'm making inferences that aren't there, but I don't care, it's a message board, I'm bored, and I wanted to type something. Maybe I'm just a chicago fan that hears about getting rid of Greg Olson, Jeremy Roenick, Thomas Jones, Jon Garland....and how successful they were after getting out of Chicago.
Rooting for Carmody to succeed at Holy Cross and rooting for Chris Collins to succeed at Northwestern are not mutually exclusive.
I hear that because I'm used to people leaving the Flyers and winning Stanley Cups. (Kimmo Timonen cough)
I'm happy for Carmody, he seems to be in a good spot where his strengths can be maximized and his weakness are minimized.
I'm also happy for Northwestern, because with Chris Collins, I believe the program is in the best position it's ever been. Not for a one-year success, but for real, long-term success.
I guess we really CANT all get along on this one.
I wish BC success. just couldnt get it done here
.We would have been awful with a starting 5 of turner abrahanson olah demp lumpkin.
.We would have been awful with a starting 5 of turner abrahanson olah demp lumpkin.
You are forgetting PG Jaren Sina who decommitted when BC was canned.........he might have stayed a season before transferring
he wouldda fit in a bc system nicely. cher was awful.You are forgetting PG Jaren Sina who decommitted when BC was canned.........he might have stayed a season before transferring
Think Sina transferred again and hasn't been heard from since. I'll take Law over him every day of the week and twice on Sunday.You are forgetting PG Jaren Sina who decommitted when BC was canned.........he might have stayed a season before transferring
He "hasn't been heard from since" because he transferred and he can't play this year.
And yes, I'd take Vic Law over him too.
Lehigh/Holy Cross is at 7:30 p.m. Eastern on the CBS sports network.
Go Lehigh!
I do not think anyone is making the inference that BC's firing was a mistake. From purely my perspective I think this is a great example of how a really fine coach can be completely the wrong fit at the wrong place. I was not a BC proponent at NU but respective the heck out of him as an X and O coach. If I was The AD at any Ivy League School, Horizon League or heck even a bigger school conference like the Missouri Valley (better academic school like Loyola, Evansville, etc.) I would have hired him immediately...if I am at NU no freaking way
Bill Carmody's 2010-2011 team makes the Big Dance if Kevin Coble plays. They made it to the NIT Quarters without him and took #1 tOSU to OT in the BTT.
Thx-that's what I was wondering. It will be fun to see some PO, and root for a Cinderella story.
BTW, when we make the tournament we won't be a Cinderella story. Unless we're on the bubble next year.
Some of us enjoyed having Bill Carmody here and liked what he did for our program and want to see him do well in his new job, and thus are interested in this story.
AND
also are happy Chris Collins is here and want to see him get NU further than Carmody could.
Believe it or not, it's possible to like BOTH the previous and current coach and root for them as an NU fan.
